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  1. 8 points
    Gentlemen ( ladies if there are any here). Last night was a turning point for me, it will be my final watched game. The aggitaiton frustration, emotional lows for years will now end. Have I been hard on this club, negative yes, but it has been justifiable. Been a Flames fan longer than some of you have been alive, but its time. For the past god for as I can remember I would schedele my nights around watching this team play, if there was a game on i watched it. When the forum was down for me was a hard adjustment. I read posts from eveyone that like me is a die hard fan of the Flames. It was a great day when it came back on line, didn't realize how much I missed the comments and individauls who wrote them. I just wanted for what its worth, to thank those who have taken the time, effort and energy for these forums. The conversations comments and readings have been a huge part of my daily routine. I am a competive person and watching this is extremely frustrating to me. When I am more agitated than the players and staff, its time. This organization is a shell of what it once was, I truely hope that one day it finds it self again. As the sabres fan stated so perfectly, If I had a cardboard cut out in the stands I would remove it to not make them suffer watching this. This is a hard chapter to close, been a routne for years this forum has meant alot to me. I truely and sincerely wish everyone nothing but the best and once again thank everyone for their efforts.
  2. 7 points
    Lets try and move onto something more positive. I think there are some (gasp) reasons for optimism right now. For a few reasons. Almost every team is bad at drafting and developing goalies I looked at each NHL teams drafted goalies from 2005 through 2014 drafts. This covers ten drafts over the cap era without getting into guys who are still developing. I considered any goalie with at least 100 NHL starts as a success. 207 goalies were drafted over those 10 years. 16% of them played 100 games or more. Remove the career back-ups and your at 11%. Remove the guys who broke out with another team and you are at 9%. A third of the league went 10 drafts without getting an NHL goalie, just like Calgary (though Brossoit will likely break the 100 game mark, just not with Calgary). The point is, Calgary isn't unique in our lack of finding NHL goalies in the draft, and our struggles don't translate to a permanent curse. Tampa drafted and developed the best goalie in the NHL. They have drafted 28 goalies over the entire franchise and that was their only hit to date. We have a number of prospects worth paying attention to We have had prospects to get excited about in the past. I get the 'fool me once' tone, but its been a bit since we have had two AAA prospects and prospects across multiple levels. (NHL) Vlader was only moved due to to congestion in Boston's crease (sound familiar) and was moved versus losing him on waivers. He looked great 4 of the 5 NHL games he started for last season (and 5 was a throw away). His pro numbers are really good, and its tough to find many in the know who don't think this guy has NHL upside. A lot of Boston fans are really upset they lost him. (AHL/Junior) Wolf's numbers are insane. The Hockey Writers have him ranked as the 4 best goalie prospect in the NHL (one spot behind the guy who caused Vlader to be traded to Calgary), and that is pretty consistent across the league. Most prospect rankings have Wolf as our fourth best prospect, behind our three first round picks. If he wasn't a bit on the short side (for a goalie) he would be ranked higher. I know that height is an issue, but he isn't that short. Saros, Halak, Quick, Grubaur, etc are all similar height. (Others) Lets face it, the best goalies are often the ones we didn't expect. Sergeyev is a great dark horse prospect. He has passed every test handed to him, he just needs some tougher tests. Chechelev has put up some good numbers in Russia and is making his way to NA. Parsons was highly touted as a prospect before injury, but he rebounded well in the ECHL last season. I keep hearing good things about Werner even though his resume doesn't really scream future NHLer. I get that every team has these types of prospects, and most won't work out. But the Flames have a lot of bullets in this gun significantly improving the chance at a hit. The point is we will have valid prospects at the NHL level, AHL level, and one representing each of the last three drafts. Two of those prospects are highly ranked, with one of them listed as one of the best goalie prospects in the NHL. Meanwhile, we have no need to rush any of them as we have a legitimate NHL starter in net. Don't worry, be happy .... I know enough not to overplay the goalie hand. Its possible none of the guys above work out. But I can't remember the last time Calgary was this flush in legitimate NHL players and prospect at the G position. The history is a concern, but as I said above, that isn't unique to Calgary and some of the best goalies in the league were drafted and developed by teams who historically struggle doing that. I think goal tending prospects is an area of strength for the organization right now. It certainly isn't inline with the general tone of this thread.
  3. 6 points
    Opening night 2021/22 season. Round 1 Battle of Alberta @ SATURDAY 16 OCTOBER 2021 8PM MT CBC SNE SNO SNP SPORTSNET FAN960
  4. 6 points
  5. 6 points
    A list of players drafted 24 since Backlund: Mattias Tedenby/Marcus Johansson/Kevin Hayes/Matt Puempel/Malcolm Subban/Hunter Shinkaruk/Jared McCann/Travis Konecny/Max Jones/Kristian Vesalainen/Filip Johansson. Getting a 45 point C who is one of the better defensive players in the league at 24th is exceptional. Even take away his defensive ability and the situations he plays in. Getting a 45 point C late in the 1st is a win. But add that stuff back in and its a home run. Backlund has started in the defensive zone more often then any other Flames regular C over the past 5 seasons, its often against the other teams top lines, and he has still has the best possession numbers among Calgary Cs. He has often done it with limited line mates, and the line mates have all produced at a higher rate on his line then off. That includes recent guys like Tkachuk and Mangiapane. But it also includes guys like Bouma and Colborne that had career seasons playing next to him. The "Backlund Bump" is real. Over the last 5 seasons Backlund had 164 points even strength. Monahan had 195. To put that in perspective, every 11 games Monahan averaged 1 more point. That is with Backlund tasked with the defensive zone assignments and Monahan getting the offensive assignments. Funny enough, Backlund had 13 SH points over that time further narrowing the gap. Don't get me wrong, Monahan is the better offensive player. I also know, like every player, Backlund has his flaws. But he is disappointing because he isn't Patrice Bergeron? The Flames "killed all potential offensive output"? The guy has played almost 750 regular season games as a Flame, played the toughest minutes of any Flames forward, and he has done very well over that time. I have no idea why so many Flames fans crap on the guy.
  6. 6 points
    7GP - 4G - 6A - 10P (+7) 19 PIM which was mostly a fight when he stuck up for his teammate Averaging just over 18 Minutes a night, and is on the 1st PP unit I am overjoyed for Benny, and exhaustingly frustrated that we weren’t able to realize his potential. I hope this is an eye opener for people calling for chuckys head. Players need to be put in a position to succeed, just look at Benny.
  7. 5 points
  8. 5 points
    Thought a thread tracking the NCAA prospects would be handy. Mitchell Mattson -C - Michigan State - 2016 5th Round Pick - Senior Mitchell Mattson - Elite Prospects 21/22 - 1GM 0G 0A 0 Pts 0+/- Outlook: With only 5 points in over 50 career NCAA games, Mattson is having difficulties cracking the Spartans lineup in his senior season, I'm 99.9% certain this is the end of the road for him. Demetrios Koumontzis - LW - Arizona State - 2018 4th Round Pick - Senior Demetrios Koumontzis - Elite Prospects 21/22 - 6GM 2G 0A 2 Pts -2 +/- Outlook: Koumontzis had a decent freshman season with 20 points, Koumontizis stock has fallen drastically with only 8 and 10 points in his sophomore and junior seasons. A big season is likely needed to earn a contract, my guess is it is also the end of the road for him in the organization. Josh Nodler - C/RW - Michigan State - 2019 5th Round Pick - Junior Joshua Nodler - Elite Prospects 21/22 4GM 1G 3A 4 Pts 1 +/- Outlook: Nodler is off to a solid start to his junior campaign, coming off a sophomore season which on the surface 11 points in 27 games leaves a lot to be desired, his 11 points were still only 2 points off the team lead on an offensively challenged Spartans team, which he also managed to be an even player on a team with a -38 goal differential while often being tasked with playing oppositions . I believe Nodler will be in the system, possibly as early as next season. Jake Boltmann - D - Notre Dame - 2020 3rd Round Pick - Sophomore Jake Boltmann - Elite Prospects 21/22 3GM 0G 2A 1+/- Outlook: Originally committed to Minnesota, Boltmann switched to Notre Dame midway through last season, after not recording a point in 19 games with the Irish last season, he has recorded 2 early on this season. Still don't know much about Boltmann and is still early, but he should be viewed as a project and may take all 4 years. Matthew Coronato - RW - Harvard - 2021 1st Round Pick - Freshman Matt Coronato - Elite Prospects 21/22 0GM 0G 0A 0+/- (First game October 29th) Outlook: Given the first round status, much should be expected. We should get an early glimpse of Coronato over the holidays during the WJC. The question with Coronato going forward will most likely be when. Recent history has most 1st rounders going no more than 2 years. With the NHL and AHL seasons going into late April it isn't out of the question that he is playing in the organization by the end of the season, but I think a good season at Harvard will be needed to do that. I will do my best at updating the stats as the season goes. Overall I get the list isn't going to generate a lot of excitement, Coronato will get the buzz but Nodler and Boltmann are definitely intriguing prospects to pay attention to this year, and what do you know all 3 shoot right.
  9. 5 points
    Go for it. If you follow other teams for as long as you've followed the Flames you'll find the exact same thing unless you jump from ship to ship. You make it sound like this is a Flames specific problem. I'm almost 40, teams I've never seen win the cup: Maple Leafs, Senators, Canucks, Sabres, Sharks, Jets/Coyotes, Thrashers/Jets, Wild, Panthers, Bluejackets, Predators, Flyers. 5 of those I've never seen in the finals. Then are teams that have existed before me that have only won 1 cup in my life, Blues, Capitals, Rangers, Stars, Whalers/Hurricanes, Bruins. Add in the Rangers have only won one cup in both mine and my dad's life despite never struggling to attract top free agents. Any team that has had success has had periods of being dreadful. Wings had a 40 year drought, Blackhawks 39 years, Kings 40+, Penguins probably wouldn't even exist if not for a couple generational players. This is sports, as bad as you think you have it there are plenty of fans just as depressed as you are.
  10. 5 points
    Didn't want to bury this in other threads. Mangiapane is becoming one of the best play drivers in the league and one of the most important pieces the Flames have. What a career this guys is starting to carve out for himself after being over looked in a draft and then taken in the 6th round. one of the better Flames draft picks in the last decade. I'm not sure his point total will ever get him enough credit for some fans, but he is turning into one of the Flames best all around players. He should be viewed as part of the the core moving forward.
  11. 5 points
    Also being able to talk to Barkov can't hurt. Only a year older, but Barkov is likely the best 2 way C in the game today. Add in the coaching, and Tre definitely have Sam the best opportunity out there. That can't be overlooked either. He really did what was best for team and player.
  12. 5 points
    Scratched again....Wardo's favorite whipping boy. For gods sake BT, trade the young man already......this is getting beyond ridiculous and making the organization look extremely bad in my opinion.
  13. 5 points
    So picking on a goalie's stats, which were incredible up until his last 2 games, and performance in said 2 games may have been altered because of injury,. Not at all surprised, when you have it out for him to begin with.
  14. 4 points
  15. 4 points
    Well the good news is Bennett got a hat trick tonight!!! ……oh….
  16. 4 points
  17. 4 points
    Zac Rinaldo also won't vaccinate, so Columbus won't allow him in camp. Duncan Keith probably had a change of heart once he found out Alberta is paying $100, and Mike Smith we all know just doesn't handle shots well.
  18. 4 points
    Well, Sir, I will keep my eyes open for you. I don't mind shipping something out to you if there's a deal to be had! Love.
  19. 4 points
    Hey @rocketdoctor - today I got a smokin' deal at a local shop in Calgary. It's not a hoodie, but I wasn't looking for one... I strolled into a Sport Chek, and this was 50% off the yellow tag price, so it was $30! I wasn't in the market, but it was too good a deal to leave behind. I did a quick Canada Post search for a shipping rate based on a package that was 30x30x10, and weighed 1kg. There are seven options, with International Surface being the least expensive. It might take awhile to get to England, but the lowest rate was $28. I don't know if you'd be interested in something like that, but if you are, I don't mind picking one up and sending it your way. Also, I posted it here in case anyone local is looking for a good deal on a jersey. They have some blanks, and some Johnnys. Love.
  20. 4 points
    i take it you did not listen to his press conference then. He literally said all these things. People.. the off season hasn’t even started yet. I get he’s burned the faith of some and that’s fine but the amount of anger and frustration that is backed up by no actual facts or logic is crazy to me.
  21. 4 points
    Nope, this team needs to stay away from 30+ players
  22. 4 points
    Larry FF52 you would have loved last nights game. Jets with the sweep of the Oilers. 3 OT games and a 3OT in game 4 for the Jets to get it done.
  23. 4 points
    The biggest difference I see in the coaching with Benny is that even though he has had the two calls, Coach Q throws him right back out there. In Calgary he’s benched and then he’s reeled in and can’t play his game.
  24. 4 points
    One thing I see is that the Flames are no where near these team’s play. there’s a huge difference in how the teams are built in comparison to the Flames.
  25. 4 points
    😁👍🏻🔥🔥🔥 10 games with FLA. 6 goals, 9 apples, 15pts, +11 and kicking Hash Rate with 29 hits. Love it!
  26. 4 points
    Some food for thought. This GM assembled a team that also came in 2nd overall in the league a few years ago, and even in that year it was the PLAYERS that took their foot off the gas and got steam-rolled by COL. BT may be heading for the chopping block, but this rests on the players more than anyone else. I'd rather have a less talented player that goes balls-out than a talented player who's effort is half-assed. What we have are many players with character flaws and a poor mindset.
  27. 4 points
    Mainly Alex Wennberg, occasionally Noel Acciari. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall between Zito and Treliving. I don't rain fire and brimstone on the Flames for this move. It clearly wasn't working. Treliving gave him a great spot with an org that I believe clearly wanted Bennett badly. This was excellent TDL mgmt for Florida imho. Don't over-spend, get pieces you're missing. Both Bennett and Montour were excellent adds. It bolsters their already dangerous lineup with the right kinds of pieces. Again, Treliving did excellent by BOTH the player and the org. That had to have been the easiest, "I've traded you" exit interview he's ever had. "I've talked to Bill, and they're really excited about getting you". All a player needs to hear, and he's surrounded by great players. Watch Florida games. Bennett looks great. He's such a great skater. 2 games ago vs Chicago, he was hashmarks to the net with the 2 dmen literally draping him on each side. Remarkably, he made it look like a breakaway. If he'd have scored, you would never see the end of that clip. He's doing well, mainly, because he's such a great skater and he's been great on reads, on both D & O. Just watch their games, tell me if I'm wrong. He's exactly what the Panthers needed, a 200' game center with a physical game for all situations.
  28. 4 points
    Sure, and you should! For me, I'm a hockey fan that happens to love the Flames. I don't mind watching them lose if I got to watch a great game, or a great series. This year it has been very frustrating because it has been no fun at all to watch them lose. It has only been marginally better watching them win. That said, they're my boys, and my team! I'll always pull for them, but it's good to be an honest fan. Love.
  29. 4 points
  30. 4 points
    Small, soft, perimeter player, who only plays when it's easy. I mean he would fit right in here.
  31. 4 points
    I've been lurking around but not responding, knowing all that I have is venom. I can only use an analogy to stay away from being downright nasty. The Flames are a batch of chili with no spices. Bland and evokes nothing when you taste it. No garlic, no jalapeno, no cayenne, no smoked paprika, no brown sugar, not even a hint of worcestershire, no chili powder, no oregano, no basil, no salt, no pepper. Fix goaltending, done, you've added more beans. Tkachuk tries to be chili powder, gets told to tone it down. We need to be blander than vanilla. So you sit down to a nice, hearty, comforting bowl of chili. The first mouthful you say, "wtf is this? Did you rinse the fat flavour off of the beef too"? That is the flames in a nutshell. Tomato, ground beef and beans, call it chili. So if you don't understand my analogy, at least I told you how to make chili, you decide how much of what. But use stewing beef, not ground.lol And don't forget the onions and sweet and hot peppers and beef stock. You're welcome.
  32. 4 points
    Hey guys, my opinion may differ from yours but that’s what debate on these forums are for. It would be a pretty boring place if we all shared the exact same opinion. In fact, that’s exactly what happened here not too long ago when we were almost all on the same page regarding the team and the way Wardo was coaching/scratching players. I sure as H-E-double-hockey-sticks don’t have all the answers, and quite frankly it’s usually posts that have an opposing opinion to mine that remind me of things I’ve forgotten or hadn’t considered along the way. The back and forth is not only informative but entertaining as well. I can say quite candidly that robrob and I have very similar views and ideas, but we also debate our differences of opinion here as well. I also have a lot of respect for JJ here because he’s very firm on his belief as to what this team needs - despite the opposition he receives (even from me) here - he sticks to his guns and makes some valid points and arguments. Quite frankly, we’ve got a lot of passionate flames fans here and I love reading everything from everyone here. I know how most of you feel about my Eichel obsession lately because you’ve responded - good or bad, agree or disagree, it’s all good. This is our team. This is our common ground. We all want this team to win a cup and we all have our opinions about how to get there. It’s all good folks - please keep contributing because I want to hear what you have to say. 🍻
  33. 4 points
    if nothing else, we should enjoy the heck out of this
  34. 4 points
    Wow i'm surprised I had just honestly assumed it had been closed down. But happy to hear it's back. I was missing it.
  35. 3 points
    God yeah. I'm not on the fence, there is no fence.lol Let's talk about reffing! Want a tear down and rebuild? Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Want Eichel? Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Want a 1st Rd draft goalie? Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. We aren't working in absolutes here. It's easy to be a contrarian to any stance, because there is never a right way. But for me, I like what we've done. My #1 complaint last year was a lousy bottom 6. A lousy mix of low IQ, go-thru-the-motions players. No identity. Which team do we get today? They couldn't deal with any adversity, just stayed the course of doubting themselves, it seemed. Adding Pitlick, Richardson, Lewis, Coleman, for me, are important adds. 4 guys that won't float around with their thumb up their Hash Rate wondering what to do. I think that's important. I literally gave up watching last year's pathetic mess of a roster. I like this roster A LOT better. It doesn't make me right, but I can get behind it. Question for everyone. What did you want our offseason changes to be?
  36. 3 points
    I just thought the post was funny but mostly because I'm not a fan of Will Nault so I thought it was a funny response. He's honestly made the fan shows almost unlistenable for me because he's just trying to be the contrarians in the discussion bur rarely does he actually have much to back up his opinion. I wasn't sure where Nault stood on Dube so I didn't in anyway way try to bring Kehatch into it. I respect his opinion too.
  37. 3 points
    This. Full stop. I do understand the desire to fill out RW, and I do see that Hyman was once somewhat productive. But we need to get past signing 30+ guys, small guys, to huge boat anchor contracts and "well Edmonton did it" is NOT a good counter-arguement. Do 3 PTOs. One of them will become just aa good a producer at league minimum cost. Depth problem solved. But our real problem is the quality first line guys. If we are ever to have any kind of hope of solving the actual problem then we can't blow our cap on stuff like this because we're too lazy to come up with in house solutions. We have development minutes available at RW, use them to develop some guys.
  38. 3 points
    hmm thought this was the Mangipane thread..................
  39. 3 points
    Not really how it plays out though. Mang actually draws a higher % of his ice time against better competition than Gaudreau does. It's not drastically different but the only players the last 2 season who have consistently drawn tougher matchups than Mang are Lindhom and Tkachuk. Also, Mang's numbers are good no matter who he plays with and this past season, it was Mang who was brining up the numbers of his teammates and not the other way around. I'm not trying to argue Mang is better or should be played above Gaudreau. Gaudreau makes sense to play him where he does because were he excels is creating offence and he is still one of the best in the league at that. At the end of the day, the Flames have 3 very good LWers and need to find a way to get all of the more opportunities, IMO. Multiple ways you can accomplish that, be it in Calgary or somewhere else, and that is something management should be trying to do.
  40. 3 points
    To me, this makes me realize that the organization doesn’t trust their depth. Whether it’s player or team decisions, someone feels that there isn’t enough to replace injuries. I think in the long run you want guys to heal so the injuries don’t become nagging or add up to end careers.
  41. 3 points
    BPA will be a <5'10" LW.
  42. 3 points
  43. 3 points
    Bennett's first comments. Totally get where he is coming from. Be interesting to see what Sutter sees his role as. Center vs wing, score vs checker, pk? Few options
  44. 3 points
    Box score scouting. Dangerous.
  45. 3 points
    Aside from I believe Ward got the shaft from the players , I love this. I've firmly believed if Sutter had stayed coach for 1-2 more seasons he'd have had a cup here . Him only knowing crash and bang is a misnomer . The team he had in 2004 was not a very talented team..they played to the best of their ability.. that's what Sutter does. Every player in this team will be told what they are and what they will do..or else . I don't expect Bennett to suddenly get his wish to be a center .. he will be put where he will do the best..Sutter will decide that . We will never again ask " what is Sam Bennett?" Question is , whether Sam will like the answer Skill players thrive under him.. I think of Dustin Brown.. his career was essentially over until Sutter showed up. But we will know what D is..and if you are a physical player , you will play physical. Id argue this is the most talented team he's been given.. now we find out what they can and can't do
  46. 3 points
    Sutter is a master motivator.. He will define each players role with their ability and within the system. There will be no more floaters or inconsistant efforts. At the end of this season managemrnt will know pretty much what this team and players are capable of. there will no longer be a blender of lines looking for chemistry.
  47. 3 points
    Lol that seems like the type of thing BT would do🤦 This will definitely heat up the Bennett trade talks...for gods sake, PUT BENNETT with Tachuck already!!!!!!! move Lindholm back to RW where he has proven chemistry with JG and Mony... FFS yes they got burned last year with having only 1 line but dividing the line into two parts is still NOT the answer, the answer is find a Ctr (BENNETT) for Tachuck and then do what you must to get a RW for them (short term Dube) Dear god this is not rocket science...then you have line with Manji/Backlund/Simon or Levino or whoever. then the 4th would be Obviously Lucic and whoever and whoever till Ryan is back then it’s Lucic/Ryan/ whoever man it’s really not that tough Ward...get a grip! im not sure why Cgy insists on ruining good players like Bennett? at this relate them may as well trade Lindholm and Valimaki for Neil...it’s just about as sensible as what they are doing now on and signing Rino and Stone..what a waste of 1.4 mil (I think they combine for)
  48. 3 points
    The team had a look of defeat to me last game, no drive, no jump, no battle...going through the motions. Could this be a reaction to Bennett's scratch? By all accounts he is a popular teammate and the play of the rest of the team could have been a collective F you to Wardo for the benching. Very poor asset management once again when it comes to Bennett. If someone is sitting, there are several player that would be top of mind for me before him, Lucic being the first.
  49. 3 points
    Make it 40 games. That will give you extra time to caress your U16 hockey cards.
  50. 3 points
    The site had a virus... Pretty sure that it was the Wuhan virus and the site had to be quarantined... Good to see that it recovered, and lives to see another season...
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