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  1. Glencross = D. Sedin - Sedin's goals are inflated playing with his brother. If you have Daniel by himself, he would likely only get 20 Goals / season. Glencross is much tougher around the boards and a smarter player.

    Moss > H. Sedin - Henrik is only a passer. Moss can snipe and pass.

    The gold just keeps on coming from you! I'm kind of surprised none of the resident Canuck fans have ripped this apart yet, but then again they're probably just tired of entertaining you. I couldn't leave these two alone though, they're just priceless.

    Glencross = D. Sedin...You have ZERO evidence on which to base your claim that Daniel's goals are inflated due to playing with Henrik. Regardless, only in your world is Glencross a smarter player than either Sedin...we're talking about two of the most cerebral players to ever play the game. Their hockey sense is off the charts. What's the number one knock on Glencross by Flames fans on these boards? That his mental game is weak. In addition, if you've ever watched them play, you would know that the Sedins are as good along the boards as anybody. Why do you think they're so effective offensively? Not only are they deadly on a rush in open ice, but they also turn cycles into goals better than any other line. You don't do that by being weak on the boards. The Sedins protect the puck and make a play from the boards as well as or better than anybody in the league. Regardless of who plays with who, you cannot compare a 240 goal scorer (D. Sedin's NHL regualr season total so far) to a 64 goal scorer (Glencross). It's beyond ridiculous.

    Moss > H. Sedin. Ok, now I have officially seen it all in the world of hockey-related message board posts. You consistently claim that your posts are based on facts and evidence - tell me, what facts are you using that have mislead you in such a hilarious manner? Since when is a career depth forward better than the defending Art Ross and Hart trophy winner? Again if you even slightly paid attention to the game, you would know that when Daniel missed 20-odd games early last season with a broken foot, Henrik shut up all the critics who said that he was only a passer that couldn't produce without his brother by finding another gear altogether and doing the goal scoring himself. So your claim that "Henrik is only a passer" is flat out wrong. Without even going into their respective career stats, suffice to say that Henrik pisses David Moss when he wakes up hungover.

    You sir are so far out to lunch there is no bringing you back. But thanks for the laugh.


  2. Another effing defenceman down. This time much dirtier than the last.

    Getzlaf leaves his feet to hit Hamhuis right in numbers behind the net. He looked like he was out when he hit the ice but fortunately left on his feet. But feels like concussion.

    I can't believe the Nucks lost tonight. I expected more from them. Honestly though you guys must be a little bit ok with losing tonight as winning would have been doing the Flames a massive favour. I know you want to win every game and every point matters but let's be real here the Canucks will probably walk away with top seed in the conference, and it should be a cakewalk at this point to wrap up the division.

    Nice sig btw! :lol:


  3. Awesome comment. :D

    All things considered, looks like it could have been a lot worse.

    GMMikeGillis Mike Gillis

    Results of Ballard's MRI show a mild knee sprain. He will rehab with our training and medical staff. He is expected to be out 3-4 weeks.

    25 minutes ago

    Sounds very similar to what my prognosis ended up being, with as I said, roughly the same sort of twisting action. Along with the dislocation, I had sprained about every ligament there is, which is pretty much always the case when that kind of shearing force is in play. Of course I'm also in marginally inferior physical shape in comparison to professional athletes (:lol: ) and so the extra strength and flexibility Ballard has over me likely kept his kneecap from popping out of line. At any rate it's good to hear he's not in need of reconstructive surgery so he can be back in the lineup within a month.

    Of course the other side of the coin is that when ligaments are sprained and stretched like that, they're nowhere near as strong as they were prior to the injury once they heal, so re-injuring it becomes easier and easier with each subsequent incident. And it doesn't have to be the same kind of situation where it's subjected to a gnarly twist and being fallen on; movements which never caused an issue before may now result in re-injury. Of course having some of the world's finest sports-specific medical and rehabilitation staff will definitely help, but that's just the nature of the beast.

    That may sound obvious but I was surprised at how easily my injury re-occurred, even after 6 months of extensive rehab and strengthening, along with sports-specific braces and taping. My physiotherapist described ligaments as elastic bands that are just tight enough to hold everything together but after each injury which causes them to stretch they become about 50% more elastic. Anyway I'll quit rambling, fingers crossed for the guy.


  4. Ow ow owwwww...

    Keith Ballard last night.

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    Man that makes my stomach turn. Looking at the position of Ballard's foot in relation to his knee, I found myself in a very similar situation to that playing rec league hockey a couple of years ago. I was going hard after a loose puck and met the goalie there at the same time, and instinctively sort leaned backwards to avoid a massive collision (almost like I was trying to limbo under his outstretched blocker and stick), but at the same time a defenseman who was right on my tail hooked my foot underneath me so it got caught sideways under my butt the way you see Ballard's above. If your foot is in alignment with your knee you can sit on it and bend backwards all you want...but when it gets turned sideways like that your knee has no choice but to get all mangled up.

    I was "lucky" to escape with a dislocated patella (kneecap), which was discovered after about a month in an ankle-to-thigh knee immobilizer and a $900 MRI. The doctors all expected to find torn up ligaments and surgical repairs necessary, which in the long run may have been better because I now have a kneecap that dislocates at the drop of a hat.

    Hopefully Ballard's alright...any word on his condition yet?


  5. [quote name='DL44 wrote:


    hurtin_albertan']Yeah DL I think if it was a relentless game for the Canucks the score would've been 8, maybe 9 to 1. Absolutely relentless 1st period, that's for sure. The Canucks literally had the entire Flames team looking for their collective jock strap. Not trying to take anything away from the Nucks, all in all they were the better team and deserved the 2 points.

    I was left wondering though, why is it that the Flames have seen this show run on them time and time again, yet can't seem to figure out how to defend against it? Granted, the Canucks have been eating up defenses all season, but on every one of the Canucks goals vs the Flames, there was a man left wide open, absolutely unchecked. Especially the Kesler goal, there's 2 Flames chasing after Burrows with the puck, and another set to peel off his point man and join the chase, while Kesler is left totally unchecked and free to rip a one-timer. You have to know that when you play the Canucks, and especially the Sedin line, the player with the puck isn't necessarily the one you need to worry about. Of course the Canucks players are talented enough to be able to get in these areas, I'm not trying to dispute that, but I also don't think the Flames did a good job in game planning. I think the defensive strategy has to be tweaked more to a strict man coverage when facing the Nucks, as they ate up the zone coverage for the entire 1st period. That and, stay the hell out of the penalty box.

    The Flames have had this propensity the last few seasons for totally imploding, running around chasing the puck while the other team goes globetrotters on them, taking a whole string of penalties in a row, allowing upwards of 20 shots and 10 glorious scoring chances in a period...It's pathetic, and so predictable. Think of the Detroit debaucle, games 1 and 2 playoffs 2007. Or a couple of similar games in San Jose, last season and this season. Ditto vs Chicago. Ditto again vs Vancouver.

    Man did that turn into a rant quickly...

    You are correct sir.  The flames D had breakdowns... but the biggest factor in needing the Zamboni to clean only one half of the ice after the 1st was Puck Battles.  The canucks out worked and out skated the flames all over the ice.  It seemed like every loose puck, a canuck was closer to, or there was a stick lift or a bounce off a leg...   that's what i mean when i said relentless... all over the puck. But you're right tho... essentially it was only 20 minutes... but it determined the game...

    The D ends up out of position, teammates don't trust their partners and try to do too much by trying to 'help' and end up getting burned by the better teams that have the vision to see the rotation overload and find the open guy.. too scrambled. 

    The kesler goal was the perfect example as you've already described....... Burrows picks off a pass - a flames turnover in the high slot creates a scramble by the flames - Burrows who shows a tonne of poise by faking to the point pivots and attacks the net drawing 2 players and gets it to a wide open Kesler.  Now the player in the middle failed to trust his teammate leaving Kesler wide open by 'helping'.

    It comes down to trusting teammates to do their job, and you doing yours.  When the trust isn't there - play gets more scrambled - people trying to cover for teammates.  Similar to the beef people here had about Phaneuf - needing help and not having the trust of regher who often looked bad because he was leaving his man earlier.

    Consider me enlightened....well said.


  6. Yeah DL I think if it was a relentless game for the Canucks the score would've been 8, maybe 9 to 1. Absolutely relentless 1st period, that's for sure. The Canucks literally had the entire Flames team looking for their collective jock strap. Not trying to take anything away from the Nucks, all in all they were the better team and deserved the 2 points.

    I was left wondering though, why is it that the Flames have seen this show run on them time and time again, yet can't seem to figure out how to defend against it? Granted, the Canucks have been eating up defenses all season, but on every one of the Canucks goals vs the Flames, there was a man left wide open, absolutely unchecked. Especially the Kesler goal, there's 2 Flames chasing after Burrows with the puck, and another set to peel off his point man and join the chase, while Kesler is left totally unchecked and free to rip a one-timer. You have to know that when you play the Canucks, and especially the Sedin line, the player with the puck isn't necessarily the one you need to worry about. Of course the Canucks players are talented enough to be able to get in these areas, I'm not trying to dispute that, but I also don't think the Flames did a good job in game planning. I think the defensive strategy has to be tweaked more to a strict man coverage when facing the Nucks, as they ate up the zone coverage for the entire 1st period. That and, stay the hell out of the penalty box.

    The Flames have had this propensity the last few seasons for totally imploding, running around chasing the puck while the other team goes globetrotters on them, taking a whole string of penalties in a row, allowing upwards of 20 shots and 10 glorious scoring chances in a period...It's pathetic, and so predictable. Think of the Detroit debaucle, games 1 and 2 playoffs 2007. Or a couple of similar games in San Jose, last season and this season. Ditto vs Chicago. Ditto again vs Vancouver.

    Man did that turn into a rant quickly...


  7. [quote name='DL44 wrote:


    IgBoPhanKipReg']Yes...despite my hatred for the Sedins and their hockey team from a Flame Fan perspective, their humanitarian actions serves notice to other members of our greed-driven society that some people will give substantial portions of their income freely to those more in need.
    Definitely kudos to them!

    On another note, if I made 6.1 million a year and gave up a one-time donation of 750,000 (12.3% of their annual gross income) the pain would be relatively insignificant compared to say a $50,000 wage-earner giving up $6150 (12.3% gross) to a noble cause.

    Philosophical Musings: Will the Sedins ever get traded from Vancouver in their careers and, if they do,
    will they ever be separated or will they perpetually be a package deal?

    I could almost guarantee they will always be a package deal. And they'll also have complete control of that for the rest of their careers.

    No trade clauses now, and then UFAs together in 6yrs.

    Yeah I think it's safe to say that they'll be playing on the same team for the duration of their careers. Hard to say if they'll retire as Canucks, as it has a lot to do with how the franchise fares between now and then, and what direction both parties (Canucks and Sedins) are headed in when they approach UFA status. The Sedins will become UFA(s) at age 33 according to their current contracts (34 by the start of the season following the expiration of the deals), which is still a reasonable age to be playing hockey. Call it a hunch, but I think they'll end up retiring as Canucks, having only ever played for that one franchise, and we'll be seeing #'s 22 and 33 hanging in the rafters of GM place down the line.

      


  8. Didnt want to start a new thread for this but it does deserve some spotlight.....

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/...n-hospital-donation.html

    "Vancouver Canucks hockey stars Daniel and Henrik Sedin have donated $1.5 million to help build a new BC Children's Hospital.

    The Swedish twins, who have played for the NHL club for a decade, made their gift to support the hospital's Campaign for BC Children and specifically to the intensive care unit and diagnostics and imaging area in the new hospital.

    In a statement issued through the hospital foundation, the brothers said they and their families feel very fortunate to live and work in Vancouver and want to give something back that would benefit children and families across the province. "

    I know alot of players donate time and money but I havent seen too many donate this much out of there own pockets. Good for them....

    Good on them. I've always thought that if I were ever in the position that star athletes are in, making multiple millions every year, I'd do a lot of significant things with that money like we're seeing here by the sisters. I know that's probably easy to say as somebody who's never seen that kind of money before, but I'll stand by it. 

    I think as a whole, the entire players union of the NBA donated $1 million to the relief effort in Haiti. Think about the collective sum of their salaries, guys like LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, etc. I don't even know how much these guys make or who the highest paid players are, but I imagine we'd be talking about billions of collective dollars, and they put together 1 million. The two Sedins combined put together a larger sum of money, and I think that is very commendable.

      


  9. [quote name=Chairman_Maouth wrote:


    bigchief]
    Burrows? Love really is blind I guess. 

    Not nearly as blind as hate....

    The downhill slide will probably not start until the playoffs actually begin, stock up on tissues for Luongo now 
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    Interestingly, I think you may have just unwittingly touched on an important and discernible difference between the Canucks and the Flames. Kelser has been criticized for "hating Canada", when his hate was actually confined to the rink and Team Canada. Luongo has shed a few tears once or twice, and Burrows was close to tears after the referee incident. If the Flames showed that much emotion about the game which they apparently love, maybe they wouldn't be fighting just to make the playoffs. In addition and again, Luongo may have shed a few tears, but I don't recall him ever abandoning ship and swimming for the security of the bench in the middle of one of the most important games of his life. I'll take a tearful player with a ton of heart over an emotionless quitter any day of the week.

    I will also take my emotional team and the fact that they not only show heart, but they wear it openly on their sleeve. There really is no contest.

    WOW now them are fightin' words!

    In Kiprusoff's defense, that Finnish team completely abandoned him as well for most of the tournament. Luongo was playing with 10x the team in front of him and although I'm sure he wouldn't have pulled himself, he also never had to deal with a team that didn't show up. As we Flames fans know all too well, Kiprusoff has been the guy who's been left for dead and shelled mercilessly on many occasions over the years, and has shown a ton of fight and ability to keep his team competitive. However in saying that I'm more or less just proving your point regarding the two teams.


  10. Canucks win streak pushes to 7, Flames losing streak snapped at 9. I wonder if the Canucks can surpass what Calgary posted but, you know, wins and not losses.

    Though, the Flames should really beat and NHL team before their streak can be considered really snapped.

    And the Canucks should really have to beat an NHL team to consider their win streak extended?

      


  11. just curious... How much canucks exposure do flames fan get? Maybe "exposure" isnt the right word..

    The canucks flagship radio station has 1 or 2 talk-show producers that are flames fans. They provide tidbits on the flames, or opinion from a flames fan perspective... Does anything like that happen in calgary?

    The Fan 960 is Calgary's Flames talk radio, not aware of any Canucks fans on the staff, but they always throw in little tidbits regarding not only the Canucks but the rest of the division...they try to cover as much NHL as possible, but they also definitely keep a close eye on the Flames enemies. There's actually one host (Pat Steinberg I think) who absolutely hates the Canucks...its pretty funny.

    Also, did any of you Canucks fans notice that pile of waste Wayne Primeau helping the Sedin line eat the Leafs for dinner tonight? On the Canucks 2nd and 4th goals, he left me thanking God that he's no longer a Flame, and wondering how great of a GM Brian Burke really is for acquiring him from Calgary at all...I guess that doesn't speak highly for D.Sutter either, but thats another discussion...at least he had the sense to get rid of him. 2nd Canucks goal, Primeau's down low to Toskala's left, he looks right at a Sedin that he has in check, then takes off after the puck leaving the Sedin (forget which one) ALL alone for the easy tap-in...Then on the go-ahead 4th goal, there's already 2 Leafs forwards deep, their line is up against the Sedins at a critical time in the game, Henrik gets the puck to start a breakout and Primeau pulls some ridiculous belly-flop stick check move which of course Henrik skates right past and its a 3-on-2 the other way. Easy goal, game over. I mean, for a veteran guy like Primeau, who's supposedly this awesome "defensive forward", the complete lack of hockey sense was pathetic. Honestly, who looks right at a Sedin by the side of the net, and then skates away to leave him all by himself. You're begging to be scored on...man did he fail hard tonight.

    Anyways good on the Canucks to earn a win like that, this post wasn't meant to discredit them in case it comes off that way, more just wanted to vent on how grateful I am that Primeau is "earning" his millions somewhere other than Calgary...the guy is complete garbage. So are the Leafs, they literally don't have a single player on that roster that makes you say, "man that guy's good".

      


  12. I wonder if the fact the flames have the least number of goalie interference calls on the season (1) is reflective of their net presence. flames fan opinion?

    Vancouver has 6 - 7th most. Not necessarily a good thing... but acceptable if a side product driving the net, screening, pouncing on loose pucks and general combat with D.

    Vancouver 3rd in PIM/gm, Cal is 6th

    Calagry leads the league in fighting majors (Van 7th)

    Vancouver leads in hooking (Cal 5th)

    Vancouver leads in misconducts (Cal 18th)

    Calgary 4th in boarding calls (Van 15th)

    Vancouver 3rd least tripping, Cal 7th most

    Both teams tied for 5th with 5 holding the stick calls.

    And on a related note:

    Calgary PK% 83.1 9th

    Vancouver PK% 82.3 12th

    Wow, excellent dig, and I think its very indicative of both teams' style of play.

    The fact that the Canucks have that many goalie interference calls against them doesn't surprise me one bit. The way I see Vancouver's offense a lot of the time, is that they get the puck to the point and everyone else gets ready for the shot. There's often, 6,7 guys including opposition standing directly in the low slot every time a Vancouver d-man shoots the puck. And it seems to always be a low, slow shot from the D. The odds that, with that much traffic, the puck will go past the screened goalie or hit at least one item of equipment and change direction on the goalie, if he ever even saw it, are probably astoundingly high. On top of that, if the puck hits somebody and falls to the ice, you've got a goalie sitting at the top of the crease still trying to figure out what's happeneing, and 3 forwards with a look at an open net. Its a foolproof approach. Its also frustrating as hell, I'll admit that I often wish there was a way to track "garbage goals" or "puck luck" when watching Canucks games so that I could prove to myself that the majority of their offense is the result of these types of goals. And that's not meant to insult or take anything away from the Canucks success, I wish my team would get on that approach already. Aside from the fight line, literally nobody on the roster drives to the net with any intent of scoring dirty goals. I guess Bourque does. The Flames mostly seem like a bunch of primadonnas on offense. Its embarassing...

    This post has gone on long enough, so I dont want to dive into dissecting all of them in the same way. But you definitely could, I think they all tell similar stories, and if you watch either team play you're probably not surprised by any of those numbers. For example, the fact that Vancouver leads the league in misconducts doesn't surprise me at all - they've got yappers like Burrows and Kesler around! Of course they lead in misconducts! lol

    Thanks for sharing.

      

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