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  1. Pretty sure Toskala will be in net, for what it's worth. Not that Kiprusoff has been super stellar against the Canucks either. Remember who you're playing - the same team that the Sedins have gone globetrotters on a bunch of times. I'd say he has a good shot at 2 points.
  2. [quote name='DL44 wrote: hurtin_albertan']Yeah DL I think if it was a relentless game for the Canucks the score would've been 8, maybe 9 to 1. Absolutely relentless 1st period, that's for sure. The Canucks literally had the entire Flames team looking for their collective jock strap. Not trying to take anything away from the Nucks, all in all they were the better team and deserved the 2 points. I was left wondering though, why is it that the Flames have seen this show run on them time and time again, yet can't seem to figure out how to defend against it? Granted, the Canucks have been eating up defenses all season, but on every one of the Canucks goals vs the Flames, there was a man left wide open, absolutely unchecked. Especially the Kesler goal, there's 2 Flames chasing after Burrows with the puck, and another set to peel off his point man and join the chase, while Kesler is left totally unchecked and free to rip a one-timer. You have to know that when you play the Canucks, and especially the Sedin line, the player with the puck isn't necessarily the one you need to worry about. Of course the Canucks players are talented enough to be able to get in these areas, I'm not trying to dispute that, but I also don't think the Flames did a good job in game planning. I think the defensive strategy has to be tweaked more to a strict man coverage when facing the Nucks, as they ate up the zone coverage for the entire 1st period. That and, stay the hell out of the penalty box. The Flames have had this propensity the last few seasons for totally imploding, running around chasing the puck while the other team goes globetrotters on them, taking a whole string of penalties in a row, allowing upwards of 20 shots and 10 glorious scoring chances in a period...It's pathetic, and so predictable. Think of the Detroit debaucle, games 1 and 2 playoffs 2007. Or a couple of similar games in San Jose, last season and this season. Ditto vs Chicago. Ditto again vs Vancouver. Man did that turn into a rant quickly... You are correct sir. The flames D had breakdowns... but the biggest factor in needing the Zamboni to clean only one half of the ice after the 1st was Puck Battles. The canucks out worked and out skated the flames all over the ice. It seemed like every loose puck, a canuck was closer to, or there was a stick lift or a bounce off a leg... that's what i mean when i said relentless... all over the puck. But you're right tho... essentially it was only 20 minutes... but it determined the game... The D ends up out of position, teammates don't trust their partners and try to do too much by trying to 'help' and end up getting burned by the better teams that have the vision to see the rotation overload and find the open guy.. too scrambled. The kesler goal was the perfect example as you've already described....... Burrows picks off a pass - a flames turnover in the high slot creates a scramble by the flames - Burrows who shows a tonne of poise by faking to the point pivots and attacks the net drawing 2 players and gets it to a wide open Kesler. Now the player in the middle failed to trust his teammate leaving Kesler wide open by 'helping'. It comes down to trusting teammates to do their job, and you doing yours. When the trust isn't there - play gets more scrambled - people trying to cover for teammates. Similar to the beef people here had about Phaneuf - needing help and not having the trust of regher who often looked bad because he was leaving his man earlier. Consider me enlightened....well said.
  3. Yeah DL I think if it was a relentless game for the Canucks the score would've been 8, maybe 9 to 1. Absolutely relentless 1st period, that's for sure. The Canucks literally had the entire Flames team looking for their collective jock strap. Not trying to take anything away from the Nucks, all in all they were the better team and deserved the 2 points. I was left wondering though, why is it that the Flames have seen this show run on them time and time again, yet can't seem to figure out how to defend against it? Granted, the Canucks have been eating up defenses all season, but on every one of the Canucks goals vs the Flames, there was a man left wide open, absolutely unchecked. Especially the Kesler goal, there's 2 Flames chasing after Burrows with the puck, and another set to peel off his point man and join the chase, while Kesler is left totally unchecked and free to rip a one-timer. You have to know that when you play the Canucks, and especially the Sedin line, the player with the puck isn't necessarily the one you need to worry about. Of course the Canucks players are talented enough to be able to get in these areas, I'm not trying to dispute that, but I also don't think the Flames did a good job in game planning. I think the defensive strategy has to be tweaked more to a strict man coverage when facing the Nucks, as they ate up the zone coverage for the entire 1st period. That and, stay the hell out of the penalty box. The Flames have had this propensity the last few seasons for totally imploding, running around chasing the puck while the other team goes globetrotters on them, taking a whole string of penalties in a row, allowing upwards of 20 shots and 10 glorious scoring chances in a period...It's pathetic, and so predictable. Think of the Detroit debaucle, games 1 and 2 playoffs 2007. Or a couple of similar games in San Jose, last season and this season. Ditto vs Chicago. Ditto again vs Vancouver. Man did that turn into a rant quickly...
  4. [quote name='DL44 wrote: IgBoPhanKipReg']Yes...despite my hatred for the Sedins and their hockey team from a Flame Fan perspective, their humanitarian actions serves notice to other members of our greed-driven society that some people will give substantial portions of their income freely to those more in need. Definitely kudos to them! On another note, if I made 6.1 million a year and gave up a one-time donation of 750,000 (12.3% of their annual gross income) the pain would be relatively insignificant compared to say a $50,000 wage-earner giving up $6150 (12.3% gross) to a noble cause. Philosophical Musings: Will the Sedins ever get traded from Vancouver in their careers and, if they do, will they ever be separated or will they perpetually be a package deal? I could almost guarantee they will always be a package deal. And they'll also have complete control of that for the rest of their careers. No trade clauses now, and then UFAs together in 6yrs. Yeah I think it's safe to say that they'll be playing on the same team for the duration of their careers. Hard to say if they'll retire as Canucks, as it has a lot to do with how the franchise fares between now and then, and what direction both parties (Canucks and Sedins) are headed in when they approach UFA status. The Sedins will become UFA(s) at age 33 according to their current contracts (34 by the start of the season following the expiration of the deals), which is still a reasonable age to be playing hockey. Call it a hunch, but I think they'll end up retiring as Canucks, having only ever played for that one franchise, and we'll be seeing #'s 22 and 33 hanging in the rafters of GM place down the line.
  5. Good on them. I've always thought that if I were ever in the position that star athletes are in, making multiple millions every year, I'd do a lot of significant things with that money like we're seeing here by the sisters. I know that's probably easy to say as somebody who's never seen that kind of money before, but I'll stand by it. I think as a whole, the entire players union of the NBA donated $1 million to the relief effort in Haiti. Think about the collective sum of their salaries, guys like LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, etc. I don't even know how much these guys make or who the highest paid players are, but I imagine we'd be talking about billions of collective dollars, and they put together 1 million. The two Sedins combined put together a larger sum of money, and I think that is very commendable.
  6. [quote name=Chairman_Maouth wrote: Not nearly as blind as hate.... The downhill slide will probably not start until the playoffs actually begin, stock up on tissues for Luongo now . Interestingly, I think you may have just unwittingly touched on an important and discernible difference between the Canucks and the Flames. Kelser has been criticized for "hating Canada", when his hate was actually confined to the rink and Team Canada. Luongo has shed a few tears once or twice, and Burrows was close to tears after the referee incident. If the Flames showed that much emotion about the game which they apparently love, maybe they wouldn't be fighting just to make the playoffs. In addition and again, Luongo may have shed a few tears, but I don't recall him ever abandoning ship and swimming for the security of the bench in the middle of one of the most important games of his life. I'll take a tearful player with a ton of heart over an emotionless quitter any day of the week. I will also take my emotional team and the fact that they not only show heart, but they wear it openly on their sleeve. There really is no contest. WOW now them are fightin' words! In Kiprusoff's defense, that Finnish team completely abandoned him as well for most of the tournament. Luongo was playing with 10x the team in front of him and although I'm sure he wouldn't have pulled himself, he also never had to deal with a team that didn't show up. As we Flames fans know all too well, Kiprusoff has been the guy who's been left for dead and shelled mercilessly on many occasions over the years, and has shown a ton of fight and ability to keep his team competitive. However in saying that I'm more or less just proving your point regarding the two teams.
  7. I don't know what ground you think you have to stand on, seeing that the Hawks own our team even harder than they own the Nucks.
  8. And the Canucks should really have to beat an NHL team to consider their win streak extended?
  9. The Fan 960 is Calgary's Flames talk radio, not aware of any Canucks fans on the staff, but they always throw in little tidbits regarding not only the Canucks but the rest of the division...they try to cover as much NHL as possible, but they also definitely keep a close eye on the Flames enemies. There's actually one host (Pat Steinberg I think) who absolutely hates the Canucks...its pretty funny.Also, did any of you Canucks fans notice that pile of waste Wayne Primeau helping the Sedin line eat the Leafs for dinner tonight? On the Canucks 2nd and 4th goals, he left me thanking God that he's no longer a Flame, and wondering how great of a GM Brian Burke really is for acquiring him from Calgary at all...I guess that doesn't speak highly for D.Sutter either, but thats another discussion...at least he had the sense to get rid of him. 2nd Canucks goal, Primeau's down low to Toskala's left, he looks right at a Sedin that he has in check, then takes off after the puck leaving the Sedin (forget which one) ALL alone for the easy tap-in...Then on the go-ahead 4th goal, there's already 2 Leafs forwards deep, their line is up against the Sedins at a critical time in the game, Henrik gets the puck to start a breakout and Primeau pulls some ridiculous belly-flop stick check move which of course Henrik skates right past and its a 3-on-2 the other way. Easy goal, game over. I mean, for a veteran guy like Primeau, who's supposedly this awesome "defensive forward", the complete lack of hockey sense was pathetic. Honestly, who looks right at a Sedin by the side of the net, and then skates away to leave him all by himself. You're begging to be scored on...man did he fail hard tonight. Anyways good on the Canucks to earn a win like that, this post wasn't meant to discredit them in case it comes off that way, more just wanted to vent on how grateful I am that Primeau is "earning" his millions somewhere other than Calgary...the guy is complete garbage. So are the Leafs, they literally don't have a single player on that roster that makes you say, "man that guy's good".
  10. Pretty much polar opposites right now. The Flames fans are left grasping at straws, hoping that the Canucks mammoth 2 part road trip derails them. We can't even be confident in our team keeping up, we have to hope others also begin to fail...Misery loves company after all.
  11. Wow, excellent dig, and I think its very indicative of both teams' style of play.The fact that the Canucks have that many goalie interference calls against them doesn't surprise me one bit. The way I see Vancouver's offense a lot of the time, is that they get the puck to the point and everyone else gets ready for the shot. There's often, 6,7 guys including opposition standing directly in the low slot every time a Vancouver d-man shoots the puck. And it seems to always be a low, slow shot from the D. The odds that, with that much traffic, the puck will go past the screened goalie or hit at least one item of equipment and change direction on the goalie, if he ever even saw it, are probably astoundingly high. On top of that, if the puck hits somebody and falls to the ice, you've got a goalie sitting at the top of the crease still trying to figure out what's happeneing, and 3 forwards with a look at an open net. Its a foolproof approach. Its also frustrating as hell, I'll admit that I often wish there was a way to track "garbage goals" or "puck luck" when watching Canucks games so that I could prove to myself that the majority of their offense is the result of these types of goals. And that's not meant to insult or take anything away from the Canucks success, I wish my team would get on that approach already. Aside from the fight line, literally nobody on the roster drives to the net with any intent of scoring dirty goals. I guess Bourque does. The Flames mostly seem like a bunch of primadonnas on offense. Its embarassing... This post has gone on long enough, so I dont want to dive into dissecting all of them in the same way. But you definitely could, I think they all tell similar stories, and if you watch either team play you're probably not surprised by any of those numbers. For example, the fact that Vancouver leads the league in misconducts doesn't surprise me at all - they've got yappers like Burrows and Kesler around! Of course they lead in misconducts! lol Thanks for sharing.
  12. [quote name='The_Don wrote: hurtin_albertan wrote: Canucker4Life']Ladd crosschecked Kesler in the face when he wasnt looking in the playoffs last year. oh speaking of the canucks vs chicago game6 loss, at least our team showed up and offtopic but whatever happened to nfkevin? lol, how do you cross check a guy in the face if he's not looking? I usually don't get into these types of things regarding the past and silly pissing matches between Flames and Canucks fans, but I feel the need to defend the Flames in this case. What team was there to show up? Bourque, Regehr, Phaneuf, Giordano, (probably forgetting a few) were all out; Langkow playing with 2 injured hands, Sarich playing on a broken foot...The team was completely decimated by injuries, and Chicago definitely didn't beat the best Flames team that could have been involved. Despite all of that, they still managed to outshoot Chicago 44-16 in the game 6 loss. That's pretty good for a team that didn't show up in my opinion. Now I'm not going to say the Canucks didn't show up, I didn't watch the game, but they did get lit up with 7 goals against...If the Flames didn't show up, what can be said about the Canucks? As for nfkevin, he got into it with codes early in the season about being positive and such, they had a big internet fight and kevin said codes has driven everyone away with all his positive bs, and said he would be doing the same. Haven't heard from him since.It's not like we lost in game 6 7-1. It was a close game in which defence and goaltending weren't a premium at either end. In the previous couple games we tried to play a sit back and trap style of game, and it didn't work as we lost 2-1 and 4-2. So in game 6 we tried to open it up and play a run and gun style that the Hawks played. We got beaten at their game, our offence scored enough to win most games, but since we pretty allowed the Hawks to have all the room they wanted they took advantage more than we did. It wasn't Luongo who let in 7 bad/mediocre goals, it was the defence that was constatnly pinching and joining the rush that gave up way too many prime chances. Luongo could have played better, but it was only an average game by him. Any goalie would have given up at least 4 or 5 in the same situation. Ok fair enough. Like I said, I didn't watch the game. So I guess it's not fair to say that either team "didn't show up".
  13. lol, how do you cross check a guy in the face if he's not looking? I usually don't get into these types of things regarding the past and silly pissing matches between Flames and Canucks fans, but I feel the need to defend the Flames in this case. What team was there to show up? Bourque, Regehr, Phaneuf, Giordano, (probably forgetting a few) were all out; Langkow playing with 2 injured hands, Sarich playing on a broken foot...The team was completely decimated by injuries, and Chicago definitely didn't beat the best Flames team that could have been involved. Despite all of that, they still managed to outshoot Chicago 44-16 in the game 6 loss. That's pretty good for a team that didn't show up in my opinion. Now I'm not going to say the Canucks didn't show up, I didn't watch the game, but they did get lit up with 7 goals against...If the Flames didn't show up, what can be said about the Canucks? As for nfkevin, he got into it with codes early in the season about being positive and such, they had a big internet fight and kevin said codes has driven everyone away with all his positive bs, and said he would be doing the same. Haven't heard from him since.
  14. [quote name='The_Don wrote: hurtin_albertan wrote: The_Don']? They've been doing the "whoo!" thing after goal announcements in Boston since at least last season, I just noticed that's a recent addition to the Canucks goal announcements. I see. The Canucks have been doing it since the start of the season I think. but what does it have to do with John Ashbridge? It's not his call. BTW, is it Rick Flair? It sounds awfully similar. Yeah you're right, likely not his call...could be though? Whatever, I just used his name because he's the PA voice. I thought it sounded like it was Ashbridge who was doing it...you think its dubbed?
  15. [quote name='The_Don wrote: hurtin_albertan']So did John Ashbridge watch a Bruins game recently or something? ? They've been doing the "whoo!" thing after goal announcements in Boston since at least last season, I just noticed that's a recent addition to the Canucks goal announcements.
  16. So did John Ashbridge watch a Bruins game recently or something?
  17. [quote name='The_Don wrote: agulati']I really hope the canucks improve as the season goes on. There is no fun in a one-sided rivalry. Is that why the Oilers are always so grumpy? Partially, but keep in mind they have to live in Edmonton. That would make any sane person grumpy.
  18. The Canuck puck luck hasn't been there? Is this why seemingly every Cancuks highlight package includes at least one goal per game coming by way of Burrows' !+%, Raymond's foot, or a defenceman's intentional floater through a slew of legs and sticks?
  19. Dear Flames fans, Please don't gloat. The Hockey Gods hate gloaters.
  20. This thread is so quiet when the Canucks are losing...weird.
  21. [quote name='hkiitay wrote: hurtin_albertan']That's a fair assesment DL, but Boyd wasn't entirely invisible...I sure noticed him when he put a perfect one timer at an open net about 5 feet high and it turned into a rush back the other way. Or that other time when he missed the net by about 10 feet. But that was it. You're right about Dawes too, didn't really notice him on the second unit, that line looked to be all Bourque and Langkow. And I couldn't agrre more about Moss, totally out of place on the top line. Not only that but as a natural RW he had a hell of a time playing the other side. Which is weird because his stats sheet says he shoots left, so playing on the left wing shouldn't be that hard of an adjustment. He's making/accepting passes on his forehand after all. I could understand if he shot right, switching to left wing feels unnatural as all of a sudden everything's on your backhand and it feels like you're always facing the boards coming up the ice. At any rate, he didn't have a good game, but neither did any part of the top line for that matter. I thought Iginla was Calgary's worst player. Thanks for coming out Cap'n. Which Kesler embellishments are you talking about? I don't recall seeing any by him. I did notice Samuelsson take a slash on the leg near the benches, the way he fell and looked at the ref it looked like a big dive... Judging from your logo, I'm guessing you're a flames' fan, so you must have seen Moss play at some point. Moss shoots right, pay no attention to how he's listed. And you're wrong, Dawes had a great game, Langkow was the one on that line who was invisible. And Iginla wasn't the Flames' worst player. Kronwall was. Iginla was second. And as for Boyd, it was more like 10 cm, not 10 feet. He was good, if not spectacular. 1. I got his incorrect info from the Flames home page. I wasn't positive if he was a right handed shot, and since I like to be credible in my posts I thought it better to go with his profile info on his team's site than my own memory. 2. I strongly disagree with your opinion regarding Langkow. I thought he had a great game. Personally, I thought that he and Bourque carried that line and I didn't really notice Dawes with them. Disagree with my opinion all you like, but you're out of line telling me that I'm wrong. 3. Another matter of opinion. But we're comparing the play of the team captain, leader, example setter, top offensive gun, etc. and a 7th defenseman who was only in the lineup because of an injury to a regular, playing his first game with a brand new team. I'll cut him a LOT more slack than I will Iginla. Besides, I thought he played a pretty safe game. Seems to me that the common opinion all over the board is that Iggy played a crappy game, but this is the first complaint I've seen of Kronwall's play. 4. I was exaggerating, don't split hairs with me over by how much he missed the net. The point was that he shanked a golden opportunity on a great set up and those are opportunities he has to bury if he wants to move up the depth chart. Besides that play, I didn't notice Boyd out there too much.
  22. That's a fair assesment DL, but Boyd wasn't entirely invisible...I sure noticed him when he put a perfect one timer at an open net about 5 feet high and it turned into a rush back the other way. Or that other time when he missed the net by about 10 feet. But that was it. You're right about Dawes too, didn't really notice him on the second unit, that line looked to be all Bourque and Langkow. And I couldn't agrre more about Moss, totally out of place on the top line. Not only that but as a natural RW he had a hell of a time playing the other side. Which is weird because his stats sheet says he shoots left, so playing on the left wing shouldn't be that hard of an adjustment. He's making/accepting passes on his forehand after all. I could understand if he shot right, switching to left wing feels unnatural as all of a sudden everything's on your backhand and it feels like you're always facing the boards coming up the ice. At any rate, he didn't have a good game, but neither did any part of the top line for that matter. I thought Iginla was Calgary's worst player. Thanks for coming out Cap'n. Which Kesler embellishments are you talking about? I don't recall seeing any by him. I did notice Samuelsson take a slash on the leg near the benches, the way he fell and looked at the ref it looked like a big dive...
  23. Personally, I don't watch enough junior hockey to form an educated opinion in comparing Hodgson and Backlund. In fact, I've never even seen Hodgson play, and the one time I have seen Backlund in action was in his NHL debut with the Flames last season. In comparing their resumes it would appear that Hodgson is by far the better player, as he is much more decorated than Backlund. However, Hodgson became a dominant player in a league of teenagers and very young adults, whereas Backlund spent his "junior" days playing in a professional league with grown men where he was likely always on the younger and smaller side. Similarly, it could be argued that when compared on an even playing surface at the 2008 WJC, Hodgson was clearly the better player as he led the entire tournament in scoring, but the other side of the coin is that Canada is a perennial powerhouse in that tournament and was clearly the more talented team. When you factor in things like these it makes it difficult to fairly assess where each player is in terms of development in comparison with each other. Both players will be given every opportunity to stick with their respective NHL teams out of training camp this month, so hopefully they both make it and we can see them compete on an absolutely level playing field.
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