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      Insults/Name-calling will not be tolerated   11/19/2016

      It's great to see the boys earning their way into the playoffs this season (barring a Colorado-would-be-proud collapse).  What a night-and-day difference from way back in November.   With the playoffs, we typically see more traffic/visitors on the site, usually from the opposing team's fanbase (especially from the Oilers).  This is just a reminder that stating your opinion is fine (it's exactly what these forums are for), and friendly, good-natured ribbing is OK, however, name-calling and insults will still be a major no-no and cause for the Banhammer to warm up.  This applies to all new guests and visitors as well: you're more than welcome to join the party, but civility is house rule around here.   All insults/name-calling will be met with a zero-tolerance approach, regardless if you are a new person to the forums, or have been around since these forums began.   First-offenses will be met with a moderator-needs-to-approve-your-post for 3 days Second offenses will be met with a week-long suspension Third offenses will result in a perma-ban   If you have any questions regarding this policy, or would like to voice your concern about it, you are absolutely free to contact me directly.   We all love this team, and this game.  Let's all hop on the Bandwagon, enjoy a few beverages, and ride this wave of excitement as far as we can.   --  Kulstad

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  1. Elliott is 2 years older than Bishop, and 4 years older than Darling... Johnson is also older than both Bishop and Darling... Treliving went with cheaper options for goaltenders last season, and we all know how that turned out... If he fails to deliver on an upgrade for a starter, it won't matter what happens for upgrades at RW, D etc... The team will be handicapped from the start of the season... They need a goaltender that can inspire confidence on a consistent basis... Every goaltender can let in the occasional softy or have a bad game once in a while, but the good ones can snap back after a bad goal or come back the next game with a solid performance like Kipper did and not fall into an extended streak of meltdowns...
  2. Just to clarify due to the way you quoted me without the "By the same logic Father de Souza presents in his article" to preface the quote, I'm not suggesting that public transit should be free, just equating it to what Father de Souza said about how there should be free tickets to a new arena... Sure transit fares go back into city coffers, but it's a drop in the bucket and the cost for the system is still almost entirely subsidized by taxpayers, many of which will never use it... It would take a long, long time to even put a small dent in the 10 billion cost of the Green Line by itself, and the same goes for the rest of the public transit system... The arena and transit are just different parts of city infrastructure... Nenshi wants to make an Olympic bid as part of his 'legacy', and he's going to need a new arena,,, Sure the Flames would of course use it, and also help pay for it, and it would also gets used for other cultural events...
  3. By the same logic Father de Souza presents in his article, riders on tax payer funded buses and LRT's should get to ride for free, and that will never happen... Father de Souza likes to give opinions on a lot of subjects, and he gets paid from a number of different sources to do it... In the article he conveniently claims Calgary as his hometown, as he was born in Ontario and went through the school system in Calgary when his father moved there for work, and then he moved back to Ontario where he still lives... He has a nice song and dance about how it is wrong to take money from the poor and give it to the rich, but maybe he should also remember the one about how people that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones... I'll leave it at that... Huge amounts of taxpayer dollars are spent on the construction and maintenance of public transportation... My tax dollars go towards them, but I never use it... I don't complain about it, as it is part of the cities infrastructure... So is a new arena, and the same thing applies to it for taxpayers in general... The city of Calgary is about to spend close to 10 Billion freaking dollars on the Green Line alone, and half of that is additional cost and shortfall resulting from poor planning... Another way of looking at it is the entire cost of CalgaryNEXT is only about 20% of the amount of the overages on the Green Line and only about 10% of it's total cost... Everyone has their own opinion based on how they choose to look at it, and there are a number of possible angles...
  4. Francis gives his opinion, and actually manages to make some good points... Also interesting to read the comments from Calgarian entrepreneur W. Brett Wilson who is 12% owner of the Preds... http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/news/nashville-is-showing-calgary-how-to-support-hockey-and-revitalize-a-city-build-a-new-arena/ar-BBBmh8I?li=AA54y7&ocid=spartandhp Nashville is showing Calgary how to support hockey and revitalize a city: Build a new arena NASHVILLE, Tenn. — How is it a city like Nashville is showing Calgary the right way to support hockey? How insulting to have an arena in a southern, non-traditional hockey market provide a better hockey experience for its fans and the city than a self-proclaimed hockey mecca. Nashville’s Bridgestone Arena generates far more money and civic pride than the Saddledome. It attracts the world’s best entertainers, which is something the Dome can’t do anymore. It’s a place for a city to rally around, gather, celebrate and reinvigorate. Take a good look-see at what’s going on in and around the Predators’ conference final series against the Anaheim Ducks — this is how it could be in Calgary. A city and an NHL hockey team working hand-in-hand to create infrastructure and experiences a world-class city such as Calgary should be privy to. Nashville’s got it right. Calgary’s got, well, nothing close. It’s not a knock on the Flames — it’s a shot at those in Calgary standing in the way of a new arena. Twenty-five years ago, it was different: the Saddledome was adequate and Nashville didn’t have an arena at all. In 1993, then-mayor Phil Bredesen decided Nashville needed a major facelift and would get one by way of a new arena. He didn’t have a NHL or NBA franchise as an anchor tenant, but he knew how vital is was to transforming his city. It turned out it kick-started everything. “Back then, Broadway was unsafe,” Nashville Predators chief executive officer Sean Henry said of the city’s now-famous strip of Honky Tonk bars. “You wouldn’t be caught dead there. The mayor had vision. He said ‘we’ll build an arena there’ and people mocked him. He said ‘it will anchor our entertainment district.’ Getting a team was secondary. People thought he was crazy. “A good leader does what he thinks is right, not always just what is popular. It can’t get done with a political leader who is scared.” And there it is, the crux of the problem facing Calgary. No wonder Bredesen had previously made hordes of money as an entrepreneur who went on to be Tennessee’s governor. Calgary has long lacked such vision. Two years after building the downtown rink for a shockingly reasonable US$144 million ($218 million in today’s dollars), the NHL awarded Nashville a franchise, kick-starting the revitalization. A modest rink of 17,113 seats for hockey, it has been constantly renovated and updated with state-of-the-art audio and video capabilities that help make it host to one of the NHL’s most spectacular game-night productions. They do that with the help of a $2 improvement tax on every ticket. The Flames and the city of Calgary can learn from all of it. “We enjoy the best public/private relationship in all of sports,” Henry said of the cooperation between the city, which owns the rink, and the team, which operates it as one of North America’s busiest venues. “This is a case study in how you build an arena and everything else falls into place. They pay for themselves. For every dollar you spend on it, three times comes back.” They don’t miss out on top concerts like Calgary does because the 37-year-old Saddledome is ill-designed, ill-equipped and out-dated. Nashville is a must-stop for every major tour and is one of the top tourist attractions in the U.S. It’s one of the fastest growing cities in America; almost 100 people move to the city daily. Dozens of cranes dot the city’s growing skyline, with 39 significant building projects in the works, including plenty of hotels. In a city with two main industries — health care and music — the main attraction is the few blocks around Bridgestone Arena, where modern-day patrons now don’t think twice about their safety while boot-scootin’ from bar to bar at night. Behind the rink is the $620-million U.S. Music City (Convention) Centre added four years ago to build off the success of the district. On Tuesday and Thursday this week, a wave of yellow-clad Predators fans swept into the area, tailgating, dancing and drinking before and after watching the team’s first appearance in the Western Conference final. A who’s-who of the country music scene descended on the celebrations, as they have all year long. On Tuesday, Keith Urban sang the anthem before enjoying the game with Nicole Kidman and their kids. On Thursday, it was Kelly Clarkson. Calgary entrepreneur and philanthropist W. Brett Wilson owns 12 per cent of the Predators and constantly marvels at how a city like Calgary can’t see the forest for the trees and enjoy similar benefits with a new rink that’s taking far too long to gain any traction. He not only empathizes with his fellow NHL owners throughout their struggle to get a new arena built, but is also saddened as a Calgarian. “I’m hugely disappointed in the city’s lack of leadership, whether it’s staff or politicians, in terms of saying ‘here’s what we need — let’s go negotiate it.’ As opposed to, ‘oh no, we’re not going to do that,'” said Wilson, who has long been critical of Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi’s apprehensive approach to supporting an arena that will clearly require tax dollars to build. “It bugs me to no end that when a city is allocated a couple hundred million for a sports facility that an ownership group anywhere puts up of their own money. People keep forgetting that’s a donation — a donation to the infrastructure of the city. Sure, they’re going to want to mould the building in terms of access and rights to usage, but that’s all part of a contract.” Instead of embracing the possibilities and working hard toward a solution, Nenshi initially showed outright disdain for the mere notion of spending a dime of taxpayers’ money on a new rink. “I think the biggest problem has been this mindset — this perception that there has to be a win-lose negotiation,” said Wilson. “On the part of whether it’s the mayor or some of the aldermen, the comment that, ‘I’m never going to give a dollar to the billionaires’ is just so adverse to the interest of the city.” Correct. While we are led to believe progress is being made between the Flames and the city behind closed doors the last handful of months, the dialogue over possibilities has yet to be healthy enough among constituents. It needs to have concrete numbers on how East Village’s Plan B, next to the current Dome, would be funded, so the public can have an informed discussion on its merits. “But one of the core problems from my perspective is the sheer autonomy and power the Stampede board has,” Wilson said of the East Village concept. “Based on rumour and innuendo, I would question the sanity of anyone trying to build a facility on Stampede land. That’s why you start to see talk of property swaps. I don’t have any inside knowledge from the team or the city, but you can see there’s movement.” The latest threat is that unless a proposal between the city and the Flames is unveiled within the next handful of weeks, there would be no possible movement from city council on it until after the October municipal election. Calgary’s leadership needs to boldly steer people in the right direction, which is to make sure a deal is concocted allowing Calgary to eventually enjoy the fruits of a new building the way Nashville has. Or the Flames will eventually leave, providing economists with a case study on how to dismantle a city. “The relationship the Predators as a club have with the city of Nashville is extraordinary, whether it be through funding, expansions, upgrades, renovations,” said Wilson. “The benefit to the city has been immense. Why can’t we figure that out in Calgary?” It’s a question Nenshi and his council needs to answer soon, before another wave of politicians are brought in to end this logjam.
  5. Treliving absolutely has to deliver on obtaining an upgrade for a starter.... There were not many valid options for next season, and now there are two less... We all know the other areas that need improvement, RW, D, etc, etc... Gully has had another year as a head coach and made some mistakes, but also made significant progress... I think that he will learn from the mistakes and use the experience of what worked and what didn't and grow as a coach... Even if the other needs are addressed and improved, if the Flames do not have more reliable goaltending next season Treliving will have come up short and failed... At this point I have no reason to think that Treliving won't come up with a deal for a solid starter, but anything less including just 'average' performance protecting the net and the Flames will be at a disadvantage right from the start of the season...
  6. Here are the highlights from today's game in case anyone missed the early game this morning and wanted to check it out...
  7. When Fleury has been in the zone during the playoffs and the Pens have won, he has put up some impressive numbers... .956 SV% & 1.52 GAA while facing an average of 35.7 shots... His stats fall off a cliff for the losses, with a .864 SV% & 4.39 GAA while facing an average of 28.2 shots, but the D and the Pens as a team also share blame for the losses... That said, Fleury has also been able to come back with some solid performances after losses... Viability of acquiring Fleury would depend on availability and cost... He is not my first choice, but Bishop and Darling are taken, other possibilities are still unknown depending on availability, but Fleury is still an upgrade over either of Elliott or Johnson... The question has become who else might become available in the right trade that would be a better option, and at this point it is impossible to say... The cost might be more than some might want to see the Flames spend, but the Flames can't afford to go into next season with just average or sub-par goaltending either... They need an upgrade as a starter...
  8. They got eliminated every time the series went to a game 7 the last 4 seasons in a row... 4 for 4... They also lost the last 2 games in a row all to end all of their last 4 seasons... It's their duck curse...
  9. Sometimes I will put on a podcast while I am puttering around in the garage and I came across this one... McGrattan having a visit with Boomer and Warrener... Outside of on ice coaching decisions I never said much about some of the other reasons I thought it was time for Hartley to go, because some of them were things I heard but had no real proof... Interesting chat with Gratts in this clip for a few reasons, hockey in the UK, addiction and sobriety, and coaches... Sounds like Trotz was his favorite coach, and Hartley was not quite the same with at least some of the players as the guy that we saw and heard through the media... Some of what Gratts mentioned was that he didn't like to talk about it, but Hartley was not a good guy... Hartley would ignore scratched players like himself, and would walk right by Gratts in the hall without even saying hello 30 days of the month... Have to wonder if that had something to do with why the Flames went to the other end of the spectrum when looking for a new coach to try and make sure they got one that did a better job of not making players feel like they weren't part of the team... I have heard a few other things elsewhere about Hartley from people that would know, but for now I'll just put the link for what Gratts had to say... Gratts starts talking about coaches about 20 min in, and references Hartley at about 25 1/2 min... http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-morning/brian-mcgrattan-hockey-uk-addiction/
  10. Sekera is out for the at least the rest of the series... and it looks like the end of this series could very well be the end of the season for the Oilers...
  11. As much as I dislike both teams and wish there was a way they both could be eliminated at the end of this series. I also want to see a fair job done by the refs... One that is consistent according to the rules as they are written and equally called for both teams in any given game on a consistent basis... When I first saw the goal and the replays of Kesler getting pushed into the crease by Nurse, I thought they got the call right... But the overhead view changed my mind... Kesler has an obligation to try and get out of the crease, but watching his leg movements, he is crawling in towards Talbot as best he can, and not trying to distance himself at all... Kesler also repeatedly reaches in to grab at the top of Talbot's right pad and interferes with his movement... Kesler is one of the slickest weasels in the game, and he and the Ducks got away with goaltender interference on this one... I find it hard to fathom that I would defend the Oilers for a call that went against them, but in the interest of having the league take action to ensure the calls made are correct, I don't have any other choice...
  12. Darling cost the Canes their lowest 3rd round pick... Keeping Elliott would cost the Flames their 3rd round pick in 2018, on top of the 35th overall they already gave up... Who would you rather have?... At $4.15 mil a season for Darling compared to the $2.7 mil the Flames payed Elliott this season, I still take Darling... But that ship has sailed, and the Flames missed the boat... For me Bishop is still on my short list, and I think his ask for a contract might not be as bad as some might think... See what the KIngs want, and what could be arranged to trade for Bishop's negotiating rights... Leave it too long, and a team like the Stars might drive up the price... Any goaltender the Flames are likely going to be able to pick up is a gamble, so is keeping Elliott, and hoping at this stage of his career he can be consistent as a starter is also a risk... I have no doubt in my mind that Elliott was seriously rattled the last couple of games... and I just don't want to bet the farm on his being able to turn it around as a dependable starter... That said, maybe he could thrive as a backup until Gillies or Rittich is ready ... If it's for the right price... This 1a/1b goaltender approach is not something I want to see repeated... The Flames need a starter... and they need to upgrade to get one... t
  13. That sounds like exactly what I would say to the press if I had a player whose contract I wanted to unload to Vegas or trade elsewhere... So it is not necessarily an honest endorsement... Either way, at least for now he is on the Flames roster, and Treliving is going to handle things like that diplomatically when the subject comes up, same goes for other players as well... Other players that were new to the Flames and also players that have been on the team for a while had to adjust to the same system, so I just don't buy that excuse for a player with Brouwers experience... There were a number of other players that got traded to different teams that seemed to adjust a lot faster as well...
  14. As for what I could find now and as I remember it Flyerfan, next season is a full NTC and after that is when it changes to a modified NTC...
  15. At least the Pens will still have Kessel...