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  1. With Markstrom, Tanev, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Backlund (He has a NTC), and with the way Mangiapane, Hanifin and Andersson have been stepping up, I would say that the rebuild is nearly complete. As stated in the trade thread, the only player left fro 4 years ago if we trade Giordano, Gaudreau and Monahan would be Backlund. Are there pieces that we still need? Absolutely. But being willing to move the big 3 would likely help with some of those issues. Doesn’t require a tank, but accept a lesser season or 2.
  2. Backlund has a full NTC so can’t be traded. I appreciate that people want to stay loyal to Giordano and let him retire a Flame. If that is the case, then be ready to see little to no change with what the team is currently showing and has shown over the past 2 seasons. As the Captain, if he is unable to get the team energized, then he isn’t doing his job and shouldn’t be captain. As one of the core members of the team, he is responsible for the team and a big part of the lack of emotion. If the team is going to improve, you need to change the core. They have tried keeping the core and tweaking the support for a few years, multiple incarnations to no avail. Coaching hasn’t made a difference, so what is left is the core. If you are fine waiting until Giordano chooses to retire, or let him walk when his contract is up after continuing on this same treadmill, ok, that is your choice. Be ready to keep getting let down and have to wait years after he retires to get to a spot we could be within a couple of seasons by trading the core now. Nothing against him as a person, but players only play for so long, the team must go on.
  3. My suggestion to trade Gaudreau, Monahan and Giordano is not related at all to the individual on ice play. Yes Gaudreau and Monahan are leading the team offensively, but Lucic is not far behind and is tied for 4th on the team for goals. As I stated directly, this is about asset management and the leadership group needing a significant move to shake up the team as a whole. I really believe that the 3 are just too comfortable and moving them, the only real core pieces remaining from 3 years ago other than Backlund would send a strong message to the team overall. With players being shipped out as so called cancers, is it more that they didn’t fit well with one or more of the big 3? Are the star players actually the issue? I am just asking, I don’t know. But when you look at the common denominator, it would appear that some players moved out may not have been the real problem. If we move Giordano and get someone like Nemeth back, it is no longer such a big change, especially with a 3.75 mil cap difference. Nemeth is also UFA after the season and won’t likely need a big raise, or can walk. Tanev can now be the elder statesmen. Moving out Monahan and bringing back Zacha looks bad offensively, but if you are running Tkachuk/ Lindholm as top line and Backlund / Mangiapane second line, Zacha makes a solid #3 C. Again the cap savings here are a big deal, over 4 million. As Nemeth and Zacha are lesser players than Giordano and Monahan, Detroit and Jersey would not be these direct trades. Gaudreau being the piece Jersey could actually use means the trade would be Zacha + (the + ideally being Dawson Mercer, but Johnsson would be ok) I would easily add Ryan and/or Nordstrom if Mercer became the +. Monahan and Giordano to Detroit is a huge overpay for Nemeth which is why I suggested Bertuzzi. Since he is injured anyway, Detroit won’t be missing him while waiting on Monahan. Even with Nemeth, Bertuzzi and cap space, I think Calgary would still grab another prospect or pick to even things out. Doubt you get Seidel, but Detroit has 3 2nd round picks and 2 3rds. You keep Bennett as #3 C until Zacha clears quarantine. Then trade Bennett for what is available. Preferably a RW. This leaves you with Tkachuk / Lindholm / ?? Mangiapane / Backlund/ ?? Lucic / Bennett/ Dube ?? / ?? / ?? Hanifin / Tanev Valimaki / Andersson Kylington / Nesterov After quarantine Tkachuk / Lindholm / Mangiapane Bertuzzi / Backlund/ Dube Johnsson / Zacha / ?? ?? / ?? / ?? Hanifin / Tanev Nemeth / Andersson Valimaki / Nesterov It is the cap space, and assets being mostly future RFA, and extras that make this a potential consideration. Plus shaking up the team, even if on paper it makes the team weaker. Just my thoughts.
  4. I am trying to figure out the specifics, but I have a general idea about trades that could be made soon and I think teams would be ok with. I think they are somewhat hockey trades and while the quarantine issues would suck, it would be a factor that could benefit the Flames long term for short term pain. Some fans will be put out but I believe that the team needs a major shake up of the core / leadership because they say the right things but don’t make the changes as players. Coaches have taken the blame long enough though Ward does need to take some blame here too. The idea that this is a tight knit group for keeping them together may be the problem. In the summer I suggested asset management and I stick by that statement. So long as the Flames are willing to be really bad for 2 weeks ish waiting for quarantine periods, since Markstrom is injured anyways, this could work. The core/leadership needs to change. Players I suggest moving are: Monahan Gaudreau Giordano Other pieces which could be included are: Bennett (requested a trade anyway) Ryan Nordstrom Nesterov Rinaldo The idea of these trades is that they are with teams that have cap space, need a boost to get a step higher, may like the player offered and may not miss a couple of people for a week quarantine time. Either that or they are flailing teams that aren’t going anywhere so the losing during quarantine time won’t matter at all. Flames will suffer losing due to quarantine, but are mostly spinning their wheels right now anyways. So first trade is Gaudreau to Jersey. This sends him closer to home. Jersey has cap space and is trying to keep up with the teams ahead of them. The players I would like coming back are Zacha and Johnsson. With Hischier, Zajac and Hughes, they can afford to lose Zacha. Their temporary hurt would be Johnsson on the wing but Gaudreau is better. It would be nice to have them add Mercer as well. Flames could add Nordstrom to balance contracts. Not sure what to add to get Mercer. Monahan would hopefully go to Detroit who need centre’s. With 40 yr old Zetterberg on IR, they are relying on Larkin, Helm and Filppula. Detroit has cap space. Bertuzzi is currently injured so quarantine is less of an issue but he would be my primary target. Detroit would need to add for sure. Maybe the Flames could add Giordano here and also get Nemeth. I would also consider Mantha but not sure what it would take to balance everything. Nemeth would be a lower pair LD to replace Giordano. Johnsson and Bertuzzi are both middle 6 LW, Mantha better. Zacha is a middle 6 C. This shakes up the core significantly and allows Bennett to stay or be traded for whatever. Again the specifics are missing and it depends on the no trade lists but this is something I would seriously consider.
  5. Monahan is the more established player for sure with multiple 30+ goal seasons. Dubois hasn’t hit that mark. Monahan is also signed for an extra year which gives Columbus cost control longer. Also with Dubois having a public request for trade puts them at a disadvantage.
  6. Rumour was out there that Dubois wasn’t at camp and since he hadn’t been signed yet he requested a trade. He has now signed 2 years at 5 mil per but apparently still wants out of Columbus. Sign and trade likely easier to get value than trading RFA rights. What would it take to get Dubois out of Columbus? 20, 27 and 18 goals and 28, 34, 31 assists in each of his first 3 seasons. At 22 years old, he is a 6’3 218 lbs left shot centre. Also +8, +16, -2. If Monahan would accept the trade, would a straight across trade make sense? Columbus can afford the extra 1.375 mil cap. Saves Calgary 1.375 mil cap hit and 1 year shorter contract plus a younger, bigger C. Thoughts?
  7. I apologize in advance for biting on to the inflammatory post, but I must combat disinformation as it is honestly part of my job. Firstly, CalgarySTL, the only person talking about deleting your post is you, it is still there. Second, if you start by saying “this will likely get deleted” you realize what your saying is controversial at best, blatantly wrong at worst so you probably shouldn’t post it which you already realize by starting off your post in that way. Third, you were asked to take this discussion elsewhere as it is not relevant to the discussion thread. Others tried to bring the topic back on track and you chose to hijack it again. Therefore one must conclude that you are either a: ignorant, b: a troll. Fourth, listening to talking heads on the internet does not equate to them telling the truth. This is evident with many so called hockey insiders who claim a trade is imminent and they were completely wrong. The same is with your apparent sources. US CDC does not in fact claim 90% false positives, I actually looked at their site. I also looked at multiple other health sites including the US National Library of Medicine/ National institute of Health, Harvard Medicine and MIT where the highest I found was 4% false infectious positives while total false positives ranged from 0.5% to 0.8%. Whereas false negatives were between 25 and 33%. A far cry from your claims. The false positives are a concern for the Antigen tests, not the PCR tests. The Canadian CDC does not use antigen tests as they only indicate if you may have had it in the past, not ongoing. The PCR tests look at the DNA of the virus and therefore it is not confused with other possibilities. The only false positives come from possible cross contamination in a lab which is minimal at worst. Finally let us get back once again to the discussion thread about a possible Canadian division and the impact this could have on AHL teams. I am not sure about a taxi squad system. This causes other issues around cost, transportation and all that. Issues would arise where unless you have a significant number, you could need all of them due to injury and/or illness and be stuck with not having a taxi squad anymore. Also a taxi squad could be seen as cap circumvention, such as putting Lucic on the TS so he doesn’t count against the cap. I like the idea of AHL teams travelling with their parent club. This provides for better learning opportunities for the farmhands, keeps track of the players better and eliminates the need for isolation of players when they get called up. Most major cities have multiple arenas that could be used by AHL and junior teams, especially if no, or limited, fans in attendance. As to which teams are the best in Canada, on paper I would say Toronto but we have seen their lack of success over the past few years and they haven’t really filled their holes. Calgary hasn’t fixed all their holes but they added to defensive play with Markstrom and Tanev. They lost little offence but didn’t really add either. It really depends if they show up but should be near the top. Edmonton has McDavid and Draisital so should not be overlooked. That said, they are aging poorly in net, lacking in D and so if they can’t overpower other teams with offence, they won’t go anywhere fast. Vancouver is maturing but can they overcome the loss of Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli? I think some players step up their game but not ready to really contend YET. In 3-4 years I think they will be knocking on the door. Winnipeg really depends on injuries and Laine. Also can goaltending stay great. Montreal is a question mark as well with no answer. Not sure they added enough to really make any noise this coming season. Ottawa.... do I need to say much more than a couple good players does not a competitor make. I guess we will see how it all rolls out.
  8. The Seattle draft brings different concepts and reasons than a normal year. With respect to the Vegas draft, it took place prior to July 1 (free agency). It was for this reason that Engelland counted as a pick from the Flames because he was a pending UFA, not officially a UFA yet as I recall. With respect to RFA, if Seattle picks an unsigned RFA, then they get the rights to the player and the other team loses the opportunity to match. If the RFA is not chosen in the expansion draft and Seattle tries to offer sheet, then the team can match. Seattle can only “draft” one player from each team excluding Vegas. If they pick a pending UFA, like Engelland, and the player doesn’t sign, too bad for Seattle. They could still potentially poach other players using offer sheets, but not via the expansion draft.
  9. I have said this in a number of threads and I will say it again here. Why the insistence on trading Hanifin? Valimaki has all of 26 games of sheltered NHL experience. He has all of 6 points in the NHL and is coming off a serious injury. Should he be in the NHL? The answer is most likely yes. Has he proven that he is better than Hanifin? Not even close. Kylington is not better than Hanifin and has not earned enough trust from coaches to be a full time player let alone the GM who got 2 D men at the TDL to play instead of him. Hanifin signed a very team friendly contract for solid term and can handle top 4 just fine. If Valimaki proves to be better next season, Hanifin will still be easy to move. Even then, if Hanifin improves, Valimaki shows solid then maybe Giordano is odd man out. There is no reason to move Hanifin, even for a RW unless there is a guarantee you can replace him internally. At this time there is a hope, but no guarantee. Don’t forget, Hanifin is only 23 and his prime years are still ahead. There are other players who can be moved that are more easily covered, even in UFA than a proven top 4 D in order to save cap. Ryan or Bennett (3/4 C at 3.1 and 2.5 million respectively) are easier replaced. I don’t believe moving Bennett is correct because finally being in a position he is comfortable with, I believe he will show improvement this year, but 3/4 C is easier to replace than top 4 D. Moving Hanifin now would be bad asset management. Wait until Valimaki proves himself, then consider whether you trade Hanifin or Giordano, not before.
  10. I would say that Hall is / was only an option if Gaudreau was being traded. To me this says more about the potential trade market for Johnny. It is also possible that Treliving told Hall that they had interest but were in wait and see mode. Hall wanted to sign quickly. We look at a few teams now well over the cap who need to move salary just to be compliant. My guess is Treliving wants to be able to trade if he wants, but not forced to take less back to simply fit under cap. While in order to get a higher end player with higher salary would require moving salary, it’s not an absolute need. Leaves the Flames in a stronger position for negotiation. Teams who miss out on Hall and other big names, may up their offers for Gaudreau. Treliving May be able to take advantage of teams like Toronto and Vegas. Flames could move 3-4 higher / mid players and remain at least competitive or even improve. That number shrinks once Pietrangelo officially signs because now you can’t really trade Giordano. Hanifin could be moved but until Valimaki proves he can handle top 4, I don’t really accept the need or drive to do so. Ryan is a luxury and is moveable. He won’t bring back a top player, but for cap purposes teams like Buffalo or Ottawa could bite. Gaudreau and Monahan are the other 2 that are potentially moveable without a huge drop off. I think the ability to try Lindholm or Bennett as top C means moving Mony isn’t necessarily a huge loss for the right pieces. Tkachuk could play top LW and Mangiapane could be second LW so moving Gaudreau isn’t necessarily terrible for the right return. The Flames would likely stay competitive at least, maybe a slight drop. Treliving definitely has work to do, but we will wait and see what happens.
  11. bosn111

    Team identity

    I guess I am not trying to blame anyone in particular, moreover I am looking at and assessing the situation at hand, looking at the past decade ish and trying to see why the success isn’t there. There are fans who blame coaches, others blame GMs while others still blame individual players. People post on players they would like to see on the team, but often they are selected for personal reasons and don’t always account for team styles. I guess I don’t see it as a cart before the horse situation because I believe that a GM needs to look at the team and decide what to do. Do you look at the players you have and build a team, including coaches, around them? Do you look at a coach and get players based on their preferred style? Or do you decide on a specific style and choose players and coaches that work within the GMs plan? I don’t believe you can have a successful hybrid style team. It is difficult for a coach as they will play the guys who fit their own personal style more and punish those who don’t play to the system. Also chemistry doesn’t flow between players in a hybrid system. If we look at any of the successful teams over the past decade or more, especially those with consistent success, they have had that identity. Those without an identity or a hybrid seem to be perennial playoff bottom contenders or always just missing out. When Treliving came in, he stated that he wanted a puck possession team. Guys like Backlund, Lindholm, Frolik and Ryan play that style and work well. Giordano in previous years would fit that dynamic as well. The issue is that these are not all your top guys. Players like Gaudreau and Monahan are better when they have room to work. I include players like Nylander, Boeser, Stamkos in this category. Guys like Bennett, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Hathaway, Ferland, even Lucic are more a dog on a bone type players. I would say pressure and retrieve the puck to create opponent mistakes allowing for offence opportunities. I would include guys like Hall, Mackinnon somewhat, Gallagher and others in this style. The point of it all is that various GMs tried to put their stamp on the team with different ideas and a combination of contracts and individual success led to the team keeping players from the previous regime that didn’t necessarily fit with the new identity. Some players adapted while many didn’t. Neal was never going to fit the team identity of a possession team. He may have fit with the Feaster concept of high skill with guys like Gaudreau and Brodie, but that wasn’t what Treliving was talking about or the coaches he hired. I would argue that some of the prospects that were considered flops because they didn’t make the team are not necessarily flops rather they were not good enough in the chosen style that arose with the transition of GM decisions on team identity. I think the team should choose the primary identity and work towards it. If they want a fast transition team, then guys like Monahan, Giordano, Lucic, Tanev, Tkachuk and such don’t really fit. Hanifin, Kylington, Gaudreau would be great in this identity. High skill with out scoring the opponents in high scoring games Gaudreau, Monahan, Kylington, Hanifin all fit well. Defence first would see Giordano, Backlund, Lindholm, Tanev and Ryan thriving. High pressure is good for Bennett, Mangiapane, Lucic, Dube, Lindholm, Andersson. Choose the identity you really want and build around that. Outliers are fine for a few players, but most of the team should play a similar style / system. At least that is how I a see it.
  12. With UFA signings, trade talk and everything else going on, I thought I would start a new thread to flush out some information that could help us as fans consider what we see with the team. I think the biggest problem the Flames have overall is an identity crisis. In truth, they don’t really have one and haven’t since Sutter. Even when Burke was around, the team was muddled and I will explain. Under Sutter, the Flames played with an edge, strong defence with opportunistic offence. The team for the most part was built that way and the team drafted players based on that system. Feaster as GM had a different view, as did coaches afterwards. I would say feaster liked flashy with the likes of Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie etc. High skill that beat teams with talent. His coaches reflected that, but there was still too many Sutter players to really make it successful. This includes prospects who never made the team because the intended identity was changed. Before the team could be fully transitioned, the management changed again with a new philosophy. Possession became the buzz. Players like Backlund really fit this style and was sought after. Adding the likes of Frolik, Lindholm and Ryan fit that criteria, but others don’t. A lot of drafting players in recent years has not followed the intended identity, nor have some signings. Tkachuk is more a Sutter type, so is Bennett (though not exactly). Pelletier is more a Feaster type stylistically. So if we look at the current lineup what do we see? High skill High Skill Possession Gaudreau Monahan Lindholm Tough opportunist Possess opportunist Tkachuk Backlund Mangiapane Tough opportunist Pressure In progress Lucic Bennett Dube ?? Possession?? ?? Ryan ?? All around All around Giordano Andersson Fast transition Stay at home Hanifin Tanev In Progress ?? Valimaki ?? Fast transition Kylington Athletic puck stopper Markstrom Athletic puck stopper Rittich So when we look at the team, we can see that there really is no identity. Dallas was more Sutter style, Colorado is high speed high pressure, Tampa is more skill with some grit mixed in. Treliving hasn’t been successful in creating a possession team because players like Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Hanifin and others simply don’t play that style, nor do many of his prospects. So what style would you like to see the Flames play? What should their identity be? Personally I would prefer a high speed, pressure team. Bennett, Mangiapane, Dube style which is why I wanted Hall on the team. While slower, Tkachuk and Lucic can still play the pressure game. If the team doesn’t win as much, at least that is a fun style to watch. The players at least seem to be engaged and show effort. Thoughts?
  13. Not shooting the idea completely as the thought is there trying to improve but there are a couple of issues I have. 1: It came out publicly after the Flames got bumped from playoffs that Bennett is not comfortable on the wing, especially the right side. He plays a high pressure game that is best suited to C where he was drafted and is most comfortable. 2: Gaudreau is not the only “softer” player on the team and Stamkos isn’t really well know for his grit. Yes more skill than Monahan overall, but not a lot harder to play against. 3: Monahan needs a high end play maker as he is more of a sniper. This is why he and Gaudreau have had the success. Neither Mangiapane or Bennett are really playmakers. Big reason why Bennett never clicked with Gaudreau and Monahan on the top line. 4: This doesn’t solve RW or 3rd RD so I would say that at best this is a situation where the top line will likely find more success but the rest of the team will suffer from it. I would rather see Gaudreau, Monahan and Ryan moved for cap space and more above average players rather than 1 all star. Just my opinion though.
  14. Crazy idea, not sure if I really like it or even really would like it, but it may be worth the risk. Likely losing out on some offensive talent but cutting cap hits and improving depth, especially on D. We know now that Bennett is more comfortable at C and with playing behind Monahan and Backlund he never had a shot at being top 6 C with quality wingers and ice time. So the risk is that Bennett wouldn’t be able to handle the top line pressure. He was drafted as a high end C so maybe he does better under pressure similar to what happens in playoffs. So my suggestion is to target players who may not be high end but are above average or solid depth. Players who may not thrill but are consistent and harder to play against. I suggest trading Monahan, Gaudreau, Ryan and rights to Kylington. Where each goes, I won’t be certain because it depends on offers. Targets are: Buffalo: Montour Jokiharju Cozens (maybe) NJ: Zacha Other players / picks added by other teams to balance the trades. This works for a few reasons, Buffalo gets support for Eichel with either Gaudreau or Monahan. Jersey gets the other which adds higher end, established skill. Flames give up higher end offence but improved depth and clears cap. With the added cap, sign Hall and maybe find another RW. Without another RW, lineup could be: Hall Bennett Mangiapane (High speed, pressure, intense with skill) Tkachuk Backlund Lindholm (Defensively responsible with secondary offence) Lucic Zacha Dube ??? (Possibly shelter Rookies) Giordano Montour Hanifin Andersson Valimaki Tanev Markstrom Rittich Top line output depends on if Bennett and Mangiapane can step up. Other than that, the lineup is deeper and more balanced, bigger and more difficult to play against. It is a risk, but who knows what could happen. At least the team would likely compete for a playoff spot. Can’t really see where team can do better without moving salary now with Markstrom, Tanev and Domingue, so why not risk it and go for something different. Just a random thought.
  15. I am good with both players. We basically took away the Canucks puck stopping today. Hughes is skilled but more offensive and Demko is unproven overall. My big issue is not the players and other than being slightly overpaid, not too disappointed in the contracts. The issue for me is that there is now limited cap space for Mangiapane, Kylington, 3 forwards and a D to fill out the roster. Basically 6.41 million. So either the Flames are looking to play Hard ball with Mangiapane or trades will need to be 1 higher salary for multiple lower salary pieces. I am assuming that Pietrangelo is out and was unlikely to sign, also sounds like Hall is out for now. I would still like to see a trade for someone like Montour who will likely sign around 5 mil. Giordano Andersson Hanifin Tanev Valimaki / Kylington Montour Very balanced D can roll all 3 pairs without a lot of worry. Obviously would need salary out to make it work to still bring in forwards. Still need to see what else happens.
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