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  1. Honestly, I wouldn't even be to upset if we did lose him to an offer sheet and this little gem is why (from "For offer sheet purposes, AAV is determined by dividing the total compensation offered by the lesser of the length of the contract, or by 5. For contracts longer than 5 years, this will result in a higher AAV than expected. That means to hit 7.3mm where the compensation is 2 firsts a second and a third the cap would be: 1-5 years: $7.3mm 6 years: $6.1mm (7.6mm would push it to 4 firsts) 7 years: $5.2mm (6.5mm would push it to 4 firsts) Remember he is 22, so a 5 year contract brings him to his UFA year which team traditionally seem to try to avoid on longer contracts. I don't know what the Flames are thinking, but if the league called me to say someone offer sheeted him for 6.5mm, I would match it before they finished the sentence. If you are tossing an offer sheet you need to make it high enough that: The player signs it; The team is inclined to not match it, which is a lot harder to do when the team is not in cap jail. Because of that I am pretty confident that any offer where Calgary loses him would net us at least two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. I would trade one 1st and two seconds for those picks from the Oilers any day. Now lets compare the trades that brought the Flames and Oilers their new shiny D. The Flames got Hamilton, a 22 year old defenseman who put up 10 goals and 42 points in his third NHL season last year for for #15, #45, #52 The Oilers got Reinhart, a 21 year old defenseman who put up 7 goals and 22 points in his first season in the AHL last year (+1 assist in 9 NHL games) for #16, #33 So the Oilers gave up one less second for a less proven D man right? I mean, the first overalls were as close to a wash as possible, and how can you compare the "value" of #33 vs #45 and #52? Well I am glad you asked. Bright and early Saturday morning the Sharks picked up #31 from the Avalanche for #39, their second in 2016 and their 6th in 2017. We don't know where it will land, but I think everyone can agree that as of today the Oilers 2nd next year is at least as valuable as the Ave's 2nd next year. So in essence you could argue that the Oilers gave up #16, #39, next years 2nd, and a 6th in 2017. I submit for your approval, that the Oilers in fact paid more for Reinhart then the Flames did for Hamilton. From what I have read the Oilers also offered more then the Flames did for Hamilton, but since their threat of an offersheet was meant to twist Bostons arm and force them to move him, Boston wanted a premium from the Oilers. So the Oilers helped us get him for so cheap! I think I love the Oilers new management more then the old group.
  2. If his contract was signed after the trade deadline that would be the only option since he could not play in the playoffs either in the NHL or AHL under a "professional" contract. Since he was signed before then and sent to the CHL the flames are allowed to call him up and play him in either league after his CHL season is over. It is part of the transfer agreement between the leagues. A relevant example from Calgary, and this is going back a number of years, but Iggy played a playoff series before his rookie season after his WHL team was eliminated. Personally I would send him to the AHL until at least the NHL regular season is over. If he is dominant at that point bring him up to the NHL for playoff experience, if he isn't let him try to help take Adirondack deep and get experience that way. I think he is skilled enough that you can offer him that carrot and tell him it is up to him to prove he should get to play with the legitimate belief that it is within his reach. Plus there have been a number of dirty games recently and I am not sure I want him exposed to that against teams that are fighting with us for their playoff lives. I expect the kings will be vicious on April 9th if the playoffs are on the line for them. I would much rather introduce him in the playoffs after he has a few professional games under his belt against Vancouver, which isn't a rough team, or St. Louis, who I can't feeling threatened enough by the Flames to feel the need to try to hurt players. Next year he is either in the NHL or OHL again, so you might as well use the only chance you will get to develop him in the AHL and it goes with the "earned never given" mantra. I expect it will be in the NHL next year personally. Also the emergency call up thing I don't believe works anymore since teams are able to carry as many players as they want on their NHL roster (as long as they don't call up more then 4 players, so they would need them up as of the deadline). I recall reading a few times that teams want to abbolish the rule and one of the primary arguments is that there have been a number of instances where teams have had to play with a short bench at the end of the season because they didn't have any call ups left after sending guys back down (why we kept Porier up even though we didn't have a spot for him in the lineup) or had to many injuries.
  3. if they sign an ATO they get to play in the AHL playoffs, and get the nominal amount that they would get paid (if anything). by doing this they each got 90k +1 games salary +1 year burned on the entry level contract (so more money earlier if he pans out). If your the player, which do you choose? and more importantly, if you don't choose the NHL contract route, why would you sign with the team today, rather then wait until august and get your pick of teams? I agree, from a development perspective if he played the AHL playoffs that is theoretically better (they could lose in 4 straight, etc.), but there is no advantage for the player going the route. the flames traded a year of the contract in exchange for them signing. both sides win. because of when they signed they cannot be sent down anymore this season. all a two way contract means is the player gets different salaries in the NHL and AHL. it does not protect the player from waivers, or otherwise change the terms of the contract beyond salary for all intensive purposes.
  4. I don't have official word on this, but Hanowski last year did not play any games in the AHL, only 5 NHL games. if they were allowed to send him down for playoffs, i can't imagine why they wouldn't have.
  5. To my understanding, coaches (and GM's) don't actually get fired, They simply get asked to work from home without any contact with the team, you know, for work life balance and to reduce the teams carbon footprint from commuting. Technically the Nucks would have 2 head coaches in that situation, Torts job is to stay home. In order for another team to hire him he would have to be "released" from his contract by the nucks, at which point both parties tear up the contract (letting the owners off the hook for the $$$) Technically, if the nucks fired torts and their was bad blood, They could refuse to let him take another job in any league that has an agreement in place (similarly to how Euro leagues release players). However I can't see a team doing that. first there is the money but more importantly, good luck getting a new coach who is any good if you are the team that stopped a coach from getting another chance. I remember hearing that the Flames first year with Butter, they technically had three head coaches.
  6. Although I was originally a proponent of keeping him on the flames, if he is getting forth line minutes I could not agree with this more.
  7. I think these three articles are very poinient for this discussion, and they address the counter arguement to people who point to his SV% and GGA as clear proof that Berra is not an NHL tender. I would argue that Berra (and Ramo, as well as to a lesser extent JMac since the team was playing better when he was up) would be pretty high up there for the difficulty of shots he faces. The two previous articles: Warning: These are discussing advanced stats, so if you believe that GAA and SV% tell the whole story about a goalies skill or don't believe in them, Not looking at anyone in particular on THAT one, you likely won't like the thesis or the dissonence these articles will raise with your way of thinking. Interesting fact I was told the other day: based on the speed of an NHL shot, it is impossible for a human to react to a shot from the hashmarks. So if a shooter rips a shot from in close, it is all about anticipation/dumb luck. In my mind its pretty easy to accept if you think about it, however I wish I could find the academic study that explores it in far more detail then I ever have.
  8. Your right. if the flames don't cut him tomorrow they are waiting far to long. there has never before been a goaltender who did not play in the NHL until he was 26 who had any success. Especially if he was playing in Europe. nor has there ever been a goalie who's career start was anything but storybook who ever became someone. especially when they play behind a team that has terrible D. Further, after one bad game, he cannot possibly become anything good. there is absolutely no way that if the flames give up on him today it could ever come back to bite them. by no means am I saying he will become any of those players. However if you can legitimately be making the predictions you are you really are doing the world a disservice by focusing your attention on how the flames are mismanaging life.
  9. that is a very common clause in Euro players contracts. especially when they get released from a contract in another league early.
  10. Hey, You can't fault the_people on his post. He never said the Oilers play like a TOP junior team.
  11. The counter argument is that by staying with a Billet family he will likely be more grounded. You think Hudler makes him take out the trash or other "age appropriate" jobs around the house, etc? Pretty unlikely. Staying with a non-hockey family may help slow down the inevitable head swelling that would come from being a top performing rookie in the NHL as a 19 year old. Or it could make it worse if they treat him like a god.
  12. Oh forgot to add, we should start talking about his chances for the Calder this year, they look pretty good so far. I for one hope he gets it,I don't think the flames have ever had a Calder winner? It would be a nice stamp for him to start with that as the corner stone future for the Flames. Not only have we had a calder winner, we had the Calder winner who caused the NHL to institute a maximum age for rookies. markov, 90 (at the tender age of 31). In addition Nieuwendyk, 88, Sutter, 86. If you want to include Atlanta we also had Willi Plett and Eric Vail as well. Sorta crazy to think we had 3 of 5 in the 80's, especially when you consider 1 was a second round pick and the other 2 were late round picks. Edit: You beat me to it apparently, but I believe Drury was drafted by the Nordiques. We received him and Yelle for Morris and McAmmond. [Mod Edit - Fixed My Grievous Error - Pyro ]
  13. 1. I don't think you say you got beat out of the spot but rather you say we are sending you down so you get meaningful minutes. Next year we think you will stick with the team, however for this year we would like you to work on X,Y,Z to make that happen. 2. The underlying assumption should be that Ottawa would trade him to a contender, If the flames do not believe he will be traded, that does change things, however i think it is pretty likely he gets traded whether Calgary influences the process or not. the 67's are not going anywhere this year, what exactly do they stand to gain from keeping him vs trading him for future assets. ALL teams in the CHL go through fairly frequent contender-pretender-rebuild cycles. 3. I don't anticipate his minutes going much above his current #'s until at least the trade deadline. I don't think he has jumped ahead of Backlund and Stajan will most likely be ahead of him as well. If the coaches agree with you then they should keep him. 4. Although I agree that is likely to be a factor, it should not be. At the end of the day, I must admit I am biased towards sending kids back down in their draft year with very few exceptions. And honestly, my main reason has nothing to do with their play. 18 year old bodies are still growing let alone filling out and they are playing against men far bigger then them. With talent which is good enough that they could/should stay in the NHL in their draft year, I just don't think it is worth the risk of an injury that could impact their career.
  14. Really good article on this topic: