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  1. if they sign an ATO they get to play in the AHL playoffs, and get the nominal amount that they would get paid (if anything). by doing this they each got 90k +1 games salary +1 year burned on the entry level contract (so more money earlier if he pans out). If your the player, which do you choose? and more importantly, if you don't choose the NHL contract route, why would you sign with the team today, rather then wait until august and get your pick of teams? I agree, from a development perspective if he played the AHL playoffs that is theoretically better (they could lose in 4 straight, etc.), but there is no advantage for the player going the route. the flames traded a year of the contract in exchange for them signing. both sides win. because of when they signed they cannot be sent down anymore this season. all a two way contract means is the player gets different salaries in the NHL and AHL. it does not protect the player from waivers, or otherwise change the terms of the contract beyond salary for all intensive purposes.
  2. I don't have official word on this, but Hanowski last year did not play any games in the AHL, only 5 NHL games. if they were allowed to send him down for playoffs, i can't imagine why they wouldn't have.
  3. To my understanding, coaches (and GM's) don't actually get fired, They simply get asked to work from home without any contact with the team, you know, for work life balance and to reduce the teams carbon footprint from commuting. Technically the Nucks would have 2 head coaches in that situation, Torts job is to stay home. In order for another team to hire him he would have to be "released" from his contract by the nucks, at which point both parties tear up the contract (letting the owners off the hook for the $$$) Technically, if the nucks fired torts and their was bad blood, They could refuse to let him take another job in any league that has an agreement in place (similarly to how Euro leagues release players). However I can't see a team doing that. first there is the money but more importantly, good luck getting a new coach who is any good if you are the team that stopped a coach from getting another chance. I remember hearing that the Flames first year with Butter, they technically had three head coaches.
  4. Although I was originally a proponent of keeping him on the flames, if he is getting forth line minutes I could not agree with this more.
  5. I think these three articles are very poinient for this discussion, and they address the counter arguement to people who point to his SV% and GGA as clear proof that Berra is not an NHL tender. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shot-quality-reveals-rasks-true-value/ I would argue that Berra (and Ramo, as well as to a lesser extent JMac since the team was playing better when he was up) would be pretty high up there for the difficulty of shots he faces. The two previous articles: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/introducing-the-shot-quality-project/ http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/introducing-the-shot-quality-project-part-ii/ Warning: These are discussing advanced stats, so if you believe that GAA and SV% tell the whole story about a goalies skill or don't believe in them, Not looking at anyone in particular on THAT one, you likely won't like the thesis or the dissonence these articles will raise with your way of thinking. Interesting fact I was told the other day: based on the speed of an NHL shot, it is impossible for a human to react to a shot from the hashmarks. So if a shooter rips a shot from in close, it is all about anticipation/dumb luck. In my mind its pretty easy to accept if you think about it, however I wish I could find the academic study that explores it in far more detail then I ever have.
  6. Your right. if the flames don't cut him tomorrow they are waiting far to long. there has never before been a goaltender who did not play in the NHL until he was 26 who had any success. Especially if he was playing in Europe. nor has there ever been a goalie who's career start was anything but storybook who ever became someone. especially when they play behind a team that has terrible D. Further, after one bad game, he cannot possibly become anything good. there is absolutely no way that if the flames give up on him today it could ever come back to bite them. by no means am I saying he will become any of those players. However if you can legitimately be making the predictions you are you really are doing the world a disservice by focusing your attention on how the flames are mismanaging life.
  7. that is a very common clause in Euro players contracts. especially when they get released from a contract in another league early.
  8. The counter argument is that by staying with a Billet family he will likely be more grounded. You think Hudler makes him take out the trash or other "age appropriate" jobs around the house, etc? Pretty unlikely. Staying with a non-hockey family may help slow down the inevitable head swelling that would come from being a top performing rookie in the NHL as a 19 year old. Or it could make it worse if they treat him like a god.
  9. Oh forgot to add, we should start talking about his chances for the Calder this year, they look pretty good so far. I for one hope he gets it,I don't think the flames have ever had a Calder winner? It would be a nice stamp for him to start with that as the corner stone future for the Flames. Not only have we had a calder winner, we had the Calder winner who caused the NHL to institute a maximum age for rookies. markov, 90 (at the tender age of 31). In addition Nieuwendyk, 88, Sutter, 86. If you want to include Atlanta we also had Willi Plett and Eric Vail as well. Sorta crazy to think we had 3 of 5 in the 80's, especially when you consider 1 was a second round pick and the other 2 were late round picks. Edit: You beat me to it apparently, but I believe Drury was drafted by the Nordiques. We received him and Yelle for Morris and McAmmond. [Mod Edit - Fixed My Grievous Error - Pyro ]
  10. 1. I don't think you say you got beat out of the spot but rather you say we are sending you down so you get meaningful minutes. Next year we think you will stick with the team, however for this year we would like you to work on X,Y,Z to make that happen. 2. The underlying assumption should be that Ottawa would trade him to a contender, If the flames do not believe he will be traded, that does change things, however i think it is pretty likely he gets traded whether Calgary influences the process or not. the 67's are not going anywhere this year, what exactly do they stand to gain from keeping him vs trading him for future assets. ALL teams in the CHL go through fairly frequent contender-pretender-rebuild cycles. 3. I don't anticipate his minutes going much above his current #'s until at least the trade deadline. I don't think he has jumped ahead of Backlund and Stajan will most likely be ahead of him as well. If the coaches agree with you then they should keep him. 4. Although I agree that is likely to be a factor, it should not be. At the end of the day, I must admit I am biased towards sending kids back down in their draft year with very few exceptions. And honestly, my main reason has nothing to do with their play. 18 year old bodies are still growing let alone filling out and they are playing against men far bigger then them. With talent which is good enough that they could/should stay in the NHL in their draft year, I just don't think it is worth the risk of an injury that could impact their career.
  11. Really good article on this topic: http://flamesnation.ca/2013/10/11/sean-monahan-proceed-with-caution
  12. I think this is a very good question, and I think the answer is actually pretty easily a no based on his play thus far. The kid has flashes of brilliance, but he is clearly underwater when he does not have the puck. 9 games is really hard to judge a player based on points, players have hot and cold streaks, and lots of talented young guys get off to an early starts while vets normally take a while. Does anyone honestly expect Tomas Hertl to be first in the league in goals, and between him and Galchenyuk represent 2 of the top 3 scorers at the end of the season? Having said that, I think Monohan has also shown marked improvement every game. IF he keeps that trend up, I think he either would be playing well enough that he should stay, or at least would be close enough that with the game by game improvement you take the chance. With his current play, what happens in January when the vets throughout the league are firing on all cylinders. Food for thought for the "his stats show he should stay" crowd if the end of his nine games was today, and everything projected out where it is now his stats line would be 7 goals 5 assists and 11 points and -2. (before anyone points out that 7+5 =12, both goals and assists rounded up). Pretty good stat line. of course that also suggests that he will end the season with 62 goals, 41 assists and 103 points, -21. I hate to say it but we can probably expect his points totals to drop from their current rate, which also likely makes his =/- drop. less points means his minutes drop, etc as well. I think his stats are indicative of his NHL talent, not of how ready he is for full time duty today.
  13. Has anyone found a youtube link for the back in the saddle documentary?

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      I believe it was taken down for copyright reasons

  14. Just to follow up on this. I got offered season tickets in (i believe) the fourth round of offers at the end of August. I just purchased a condo, so I decided to forgo the tickets. I got an email today, once again offering me season tickets. And I can get tickets in the red, white, orange, or green section, not all of which are even in my wait list level. which means that they went through all hot house members and they were unable to sell all of the season tickets for the upcoming year, so they are trying again. I don't recall what number I was prior to last year, but I know I didn't get the offer to buy tickets once, let alone twice. I was #416 on the wait list in January. 6 months into the rebuild and season ticket holders are already dropping like flies, and that is, as you pointed out, without any of the outside factors of the 90's.
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