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  1. I honestly don't see much of a comparison. Hodgson is a far more complete player, is a natural leader, extremely mature beyond his years, extremely cerebral and has dominated any level he has played at. Not that I am taking anything away from Backlund. He should be a bright part of Calagry's future for years to come. But they are simply different players. It's like comparing Martin Havlat to Mike Richards.
  2. Chemistry isn't something that can be proven in a few games. Who's to say they weren't just hot at the same time. I not saying they do or they don't, but they have yet to prove either. I am skeptical because often when you have two shooters on the same line without a designated playmaker you run into some problems. I would actually say they are the opposite of the Sedins. Iginla/Jokinen are both shooters who can pass, while both Sedins are playmakers who can score.
  3. He hasn't had an injury free season in 10. He played 75 games once, 70 games twice.He is simply unable to last the grind of an 82 game season. If he were only 3 or 4 seasons into his career, I wouldn;t be so quick to say so. But it's been the same story for 10 years. He won't become more durable as he ages.
  4. To be fair, we do have 5 defencemen that can reach 40 points.Ehrhoff - 42 points last season Bieksa - 43 last season, 42 in first full season. Edler - 37 points last year in 2nd season Salo - 3 times has averaged over .5ppg (82 games = 40+ points). Problem he has never played a full season. Schneider - has done it 8 times. Problem is, there isn't enough puck to go around, so someone's numbers are going to have to drop. My guess is Bieksa loses PP time and Salo misses a lot of injury time.
  5. What is this great disparity? Where does that come from? Who's to say that Mitchell wasn't the next guy on the list for experienced shutdown defencemen? And I don't buy that Marc Staal and Brent Seabrook were selected because they are better options, but rather give them a little camp experience for future olympics (if NHL players are included). Anyways, I don't see any experts expressing a great disperity between Regehr and Mitchell. I concede that Regehr has a slight edge, but they are in the same league.
  6. [quote name='DL44 wrote: Codes'] And if you think that B. Sutter is going to coach anything like Keenan, then...I don't know what to say. Aucoin is an elite Pker... Aucoin is the greatest PK asset the Flames have... and now Sutter is gonna coach like Keenan... jeez. So much for having a logical conversation... anything other opinion people which to credit me with.... Iginla winning the Selke was your idea, wasn't it.
  7. [quote name='Codes wrote: Hockey_Canada1 wrote: Codes'] Anyway, I would never do a sig bet with you, because I'd sooner kill myself than have a Canucks sig on my account_2. Not very confident, eh? I stand by my prediction - I just like having complete control over my signature. Think about it, you could have control over not just yours, but DL's as well!
  8. Not very confident, eh?
  9. top 6?
  10. [quote name='Hiphopopotamus wrote: TheAce wrote: Codes']Wow. I'm literally blown away by peoples' inability to acknowledge that the Flames' defensive system was crap, which is very apparent if you look at team stats, and individual players' defensive statistics. With Sutter at the helm, I fully anticipate that the Flames will have better defensive stats than the Canucks right across the board. Not sure if this was directed at me but my whole point is that Mitchell is not that far out of Regehr's league as some have suggested. I only bring up stats to show that im not making stuff up and there is some proof to what Im saying. There is no accurate stat that will tell the full story of how good a shutdown defensemen is, you just have to watch them play and make a decision for yourself. The only other pure shutdown defender I would say is on Regehr's level is Paul Martin of the Devils, two guys I think could very likely pass him within the next 5 years are Seabrook and Staal. I'm not even sure I would consider Mitchell top 5 right now, Canuck fans are really the only ones who think so highly of him. He's good not great. By watching and analyzing, Mitchell is in the top tier of shutdown defencemen in the league. Deny it all you want, but it is true. And there are stats that can help to analyze it as well. Look at all the top scorers each guy has played against, and look at their average scoring vs. scoring while that defenceman is on the ice. It would be a long a tedious task that I am not going to pursue, but you can find stats to prove anything if you look hard enough..And no, Canucks are not the only ones that believe in Mitchell. A Stars fan from a few years ago: "But ofcourse, the main assest we landed is Willie Mitchell. Just whenyou think our defense has enough underrated defensemen as it is, weadded another one. Mitchell is the Wild leader on the blueline, he's aprime shutdown defenseman who's shown to have controlled players likeForsberg and Naslund during the Wilds run in 2003, of which he was acrucial part of. He's one of the better shutdown defensemen in the game, is a leader,consistent and steps his game up in the playoffs. He instantly becomesour #3 defenseman, and quite easily our best defensively. He and Klemmwould form a great shutdown duo, though they'll probably play with apuckmover both." also, your very own giving him props: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=70977
  11. [quote name='hurtin_albertan wrote: Barney_Gumble wrote: small_member']Flames top 6 of Bouwmeester, Phaneuf, Regehr, Giordano, Moss and Pardy combined for 175 points last season. This. Aucoin & Vandermeer are also missing, but those are minor details... Don't forget about Sarich. Also doesn't account for the fact that Giordano missed the final 25 games or so because of a shoulder injury, not to mention that Bouwmeester wasn't on the Flames roster so including his point totals in Florida is totally irrelevant... I think the poster meant Sarich when they said Moss.
  12. [quote name='Hiphopopotamus wrote: Hockey_Canada1 wrote: Hiphopopotamus wrote:TheAce wrote:Zirakzigil']I really dont see how you can compare the Flames and Canucks defense. In a 60 minute game you are going to see Bouwmeester out there for 25-30min a game and Regehr out there for 20-30min a game. This means that you will have a star defenseman out there for almost the entire game. The Canucks do not have a defenseman to match what either one of them brings to the game. Then you add Phaneuf who has the ability to be a factor on the ice as well. Yes the Canucks have more depth and in the event of injuries have similar skill set players with the ability to step up, but they do not have a defenseman who can go out and set the tone on what is going to happen on the ice, the Flames have 2 and sometimes 3 defensemen that can do that. The Flames top 4 is better then the Canucks top 4. You are going to see the Flames top 4 on the ice for 50+ minutes a game. The bottom 2 defensemen are going to see limited minutes which will pretty much negate the fact that the Canucks have a better bottom 2. You go on to say that Vancouver doesnt have a D-man that can match either of those players. Atleast a few honest flame fans have admitted that ever since Mitchell started playing against Iginla, he has been shut down pretty nicely. I dont think you can say the same about Regehr with the Sedins. In fact im not sure if there is a team that the Sedins play better against than Calgary. And before you say that there are 2 of them so how can Regehr shut 2 players down, isnt the critizism that the Sedins cant play without each other? So if Regehr was able to shut one of them down, then the other should be useless without him. Ive admitted before that Bouwmeester is a very good player. I think someone would be foolish to say otherwise, but at the same time I dont think he is a Lidstrom/Chara type player. He averages 40 points a year and is a career minus player. I believe he is better defensively that his stats would say but I wouldnt say he dominant. I think most canuck fans underestimate him whether it be out of bitterness that we never signed him or that he signed with our biggest rival but I think Calgary fans overestimate what he will bring to your team much like when you got Jokinen, Tanguay, Amonte. Iginla had 6 points in 6 games against the Canucks last season, which is just as good or better than either of the Sedin's when playing against Regehr. Either way, the only people who think Mitchell is on the same level as Regehr are Canuck fans, Mitchell didn't get an invitation to the Olympic camp whereas guys like Regehr, Hamhuis, and Seabrook did. All of whom I would consider better than Mitchell as of right now. As for what Bouwmeester will bring is a solid addition to our blueline right away, and he has the potential to be a Norris winning d-man in the next few years. Most defensemen don't become dominant until a bit later in their careers. Against the Flames last year, Daniel had 8 points and Henrik had 6. Against the Flames yes, not against Regehr. He missed two games against the Canucks.Did he play the first two games of the season? Sedins had 5 and 4 points in those 2 games.
  13. [quote name='Hiphopopotamus wrote: Hockey_Canada1 wrote: Hiphopopotamus wrote:TheAce wrote:Zirakzigil']I really dont see how you can compare the Flames and Canucks defense. In a 60 minute game you are going to see Bouwmeester out there for 25-30min a game and Regehr out there for 20-30min a game. This means that you will have a star defenseman out there for almost the entire game. The Canucks do not have a defenseman to match what either one of them brings to the game. Then you add Phaneuf who has the ability to be a factor on the ice as well. Yes the Canucks have more depth and in the event of injuries have similar skill set players with the ability to step up, but they do not have a defenseman who can go out and set the tone on what is going to happen on the ice, the Flames have 2 and sometimes 3 defensemen that can do that. The Flames top 4 is better then the Canucks top 4. You are going to see the Flames top 4 on the ice for 50+ minutes a game. The bottom 2 defensemen are going to see limited minutes which will pretty much negate the fact that the Canucks have a better bottom 2. You go on to say that Vancouver doesnt have a D-man that can match either of those players. Atleast a few honest flame fans have admitted that ever since Mitchell started playing against Iginla, he has been shut down pretty nicely. I dont think you can say the same about Regehr with the Sedins. In fact im not sure if there is a team that the Sedins play better against than Calgary. And before you say that there are 2 of them so how can Regehr shut 2 players down, isnt the critizism that the Sedins cant play without each other? So if Regehr was able to shut one of them down, then the other should be useless without him. Ive admitted before that Bouwmeester is a very good player. I think someone would be foolish to say otherwise, but at the same time I dont think he is a Lidstrom/Chara type player. He averages 40 points a year and is a career minus player. I believe he is better defensively that his stats would say but I wouldnt say he dominant. I think most canuck fans underestimate him whether it be out of bitterness that we never signed him or that he signed with our biggest rival but I think Calgary fans overestimate what he will bring to your team much like when you got Jokinen, Tanguay, Amonte. Iginla had 6 points in 6 games against the Canucks last season, which is just as good or better than either of the Sedin's when playing against Regehr. Either way, the only people who think Mitchell is on the same level as Regehr are Canuck fans, Mitchell didn't get an invitation to the Olympic camp whereas guys like Regehr, Hamhuis, and Seabrook did. All of whom I would consider better than Mitchell as of right now. As for what Bouwmeester will bring is a solid addition to our blueline right away, and he has the potential to be a Norris winning d-man in the next few years. Most defensemen don't become dominant until a bit later in their careers. Against the Flames last year, Daniel had 8 points and Henrik had 6. Against the Flames yes, not against Regehr. He missed two games against the Canucks.Did he play the first two games? Because they had 5 and 4 points in those two games.
  14. [quote name='Hiphopopotamus wrote: TheAce wrote: Zirakzigil']I really dont see how you can compare the Flames and Canucks defense. In a 60 minute game you are going to see Bouwmeester out there for 25-30min a game and Regehr out there for 20-30min a game. This means that you will have a star defenseman out there for almost the entire game. The Canucks do not have a defenseman to match what either one of them brings to the game. Then you add Phaneuf who has the ability to be a factor on the ice as well. Yes the Canucks have more depth and in the event of injuries have similar skill set players with the ability to step up, but they do not have a defenseman who can go out and set the tone on what is going to happen on the ice, the Flames have 2 and sometimes 3 defensemen that can do that. The Flames top 4 is better then the Canucks top 4. You are going to see the Flames top 4 on the ice for 50+ minutes a game. The bottom 2 defensemen are going to see limited minutes which will pretty much negate the fact that the Canucks have a better bottom 2. You go on to say that Vancouver doesnt have a D-man that can match either of those players. Atleast a few honest flame fans have admitted that ever since Mitchell started playing against Iginla, he has been shut down pretty nicely. I dont think you can say the same about Regehr with the Sedins. In fact im not sure if there is a team that the Sedins play better against than Calgary. And before you say that there are 2 of them so how can Regehr shut 2 players down, isnt the critizism that the Sedins cant play without each other? So if Regehr was able to shut one of them down, then the other should be useless without him. Ive admitted before that Bouwmeester is a very good player. I think someone would be foolish to say otherwise, but at the same time I dont think he is a Lidstrom/Chara type player. He averages 40 points a year and is a career minus player. I believe he is better defensively that his stats would say but I wouldnt say he dominant. I think most canuck fans underestimate him whether it be out of bitterness that we never signed him or that he signed with our biggest rival but I think Calgary fans overestimate what he will bring to your team much like when you got Jokinen, Tanguay, Amonte. Iginla had 6 points in 6 games against the Canucks last season, which is just as good or better than either of the Sedin's when playing against Regehr. Either way, the only people who think Mitchell is on the same level as Regehr are Canuck fans, Mitchell didn't get an invitation to the Olympic camp whereas guys like Regehr, Hamhuis, and Seabrook did. All of whom I would consider better than Mitchell as of right now. As for what Bouwmeester will bring is a solid addition to our blueline right away, and he has the potential to be a Norris winning d-man in the next few years. Most defensemen don't become dominant until a bit later in their careers. Against the Flames last year, Daniel had 8 points and Henrik had 6.
  15. [quote name='cinlow wrote: Sarich >~ Edler.Edler puts up slightly more points, Sarich is better defensively. In the end I would say Sarich has the edge for being older and more developed, having more experience, being an NHL Ironman and a Stanley Cup champion. Schneider = Giordano Schneider is certainly a smarter player than Giordano and has way more offensive skill but that is what you get when you pay significantly more for a bottom pairing D man. In reverse, Giordano has less of a cap hit and is younger, faster, more physical and will be less of a liability in his own zone. Weighing the pros and cons of the two players I would call them a wash for a bottom pairing comparison. O'Brien > Pardy I really have no idea how to compare this. Pardy was our #7 guy last year and is being promoted to #6 but I would guess O'Brien has the advantage and is paid over twice as much. Lukowich vs. Stralman Lukowich is a career bottom pairing D man and from what I read Stralman is a young talented player who has the potential to develop into a top 4 defender and really only lacks strength to complete his game. Lukowich may be the more reliable #7 D man today who can hang out in the pressbox with the best of them but Stralman will be the better player to have on your roster. "Slighty" more points? 20 vs. 37 is almost double. Edler is a better skater, passer, has a rocket from the point, played 4 more minutes per game, and was by far our best defenceman in the playoffs (8 points in 10 games, played over 22 minutes per). Playing a lot of games and being on a winning team 5 years ago doesn't make you a better defenceman. This one is laughable. The are both consdiered offensive defencemen so stats should be a good comparison here.One had 32 points in 67 games as well as 17 in 23 when traded to a playoff contender, immediately improving said team's PP drastically while playing almost 21 minutes per game. The other had 19 points in 58 games while just 16 minutes a game. And to use your arguemtn for Sarich, one has more experience, more developed and a stanley cup ring. O'Brien > Pardy. Yes. Stralman likely will be a better player, key word is "will be". Right now, Lukowich is more reliable in a bottom pairing role. Therefore he wins this matchup. cinlow wrote: Sarich is aging? Really? If you put Sarich onto the Canuck's team he isactually right in the middle of the pack age wise and in the middle ofwhat most hockey analysts would consider his "prime" years (28-34).Sarich is younger than Mitchel and very comparable in skill andability. Considering most people thought Sarich was playingexceptionally I doubt you saw him showing anything other than thatunless you were watching through some blue coloured glasses. Wow, I though he was older than he is. But be that as it may, I saw something out of his last season that I hadn't seen before. A lingering injury maybe? Mitchell is twice the shutdown defenceman Sarich is and ever will be. cinlow']I would say that Defensively the Canucks basically have 5 'secondpairing defensemen' and no true top pairing caliber D on the team.Also, it is unrealistic to expect to keep that group as is since youare over the salary cap. One way or another your depth is going to haveto be diminished.By one. Take out any one defenceman out of the Canucks core right now, and it the depth advantage still stands.