Realistic Trade suggestions for improvement in Flames Talk Posted June 10, 2019 · Report reply 1 hour ago, phoenix66 said: Id say thats a very heavy overpay. Id love to have Virtanen , but at the same time , he's another Bennett.. high expectations not yet fulfilled and now its been long enough you wonder what he really is TJ should be getting you a first , or at very least a solid offensively contributing forward I've noticed , as many have , we tend to seriously devalue our own players Take Brodie.. he seriously is the same player he has been for years, a top 4 puck moving dman, hes never been a Defensive rock, but he does what he does best. He hasn't gotten worse, he has simply just been passed on the depth chart by other players.. hence, trade him for better value .. but just because he has been passed on our team , other teams have a top 4 spot ready for him Stone is a great example , he is the same D-man he was when we acquired him . When we got him he was a solid #4 on this team.. but he has been pushed way down the depth chart to where he is probably at least #7.. he hasn't regressed , hes been surpassed . but we see him as a buyout candidate nobody will want -- in Edmonton for example he would be automatically top 4 and worth every penny of his contract . Even Toronto would fit him .Some team should be more than willing to use him at his current value because he will upgrade their current top 4 Kulak went to Mtl and earned a regular spot .. did he get suddenly better ? No . they just didnt have the D pipeline we do .. he was what he was, but here he would still be a 6-7 When you deal from strength , we forget we have the ability to throw out things that other teams will covet .. these players aren't garbage, they just aren't good enough to play for Calgary anymore My point I’ve made numerous times! It irks me that more often than not, when talking about trades, Posters often state most trades of our players would require a huge sweetening of the pot; usually three of our players and/or prospects to one of whomever, regardless of skill level. Can Brodie go this year? Absolutely! But I would expect nothing less than a 2nd rounder by himself, if not more for a proven top for D that Shows versatility of playing both sides of the rink. I am not in favour of going for Virtanen. Anytime I’ve seen him, he’s shown to be an undisciplined hothead that causes more issues then he solves. Kadri is the same with far better skill sets, and we don’t need to spend more time killing stupid penalties. Mangepane can develop into a better version of what Vertanen can offer; grit, and intensity, but with better hands and vision.