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  1. Not sure ATM. There's a lot of hockey left to be played. There's a group of roughly 4 players at the top of the draft, maaaybe 5 depending on who you like, and the Flames are just outside of those players in terms of draft spot. Any of those guys dropping would be easy to pick, but otherwise there's a real chance that the Flames pick at the top of the second tier, which is unfortunate. Once things begin to clear up we'll have a more definite view of who's available and where the Flames will be picking, it's just way too early to say right now.
  2. There's two breeds of elite talents. There is the kind that just are as you described, technically flawless players. Those are the guys that have the hockey sense to make the right play all the time. They might not look dazzling and can get predictable (especially if you match two of the same up against each other, because then they both do the exact same things and the other knows it), but they don't need to, because they're machines and just effective. Guys like Sam Reinhart, Aleksander Barkov, Monahan, Patrice Bergeron all find themselves leaning towards this category to various extents. Then there's the type that are electrifying and make plays happen. The kind of player that can bring players out of their seat and create plays out of what seems to be nothing. They make the game harder sometimes and aren't as efficient, but that's offset by their ability to adapt of the fly and ability to change the flow of play almost at will. Guys like Tyler Seguin, Gaudreau, Jonathan Drouin, Patrick Kane all fit into this category in some way or another. There's no "better" or "worse". Both have their limitations. But the truly elite of the elite talents tend to be equally elite at both, because that allows them to adapt on the fly depending on the situation so that they can produce regardless of who they come up against. Gretzky/Orr/Lemieux/Crosby/Lindros/McDavid etc. have all shown at various points in their career that they can't be pigeonholed into either category, even if they might spend more time leaning one way or another. They actually do need to show some level of ridiculous off the charts skill, not because they necessarily need it in the NHL on a day to day basis but to show that if by some rare instance they might actually need a jolt of outside-the-box moves, they have it in their arsenal. If you haven't shown to possess both at the level of such talents as a junior player, the odds that you develop said imagination and creativity and puck skills at higher levels is extremely unlikely at best. Mark Scheifele is a great player, but he isn't generational. A less capable Eric Lindros is not generational. A less capable Crosby is not generational. In order to be a generational prospect or a generational player, you'd have to stand out amongst your peers not just in your draft year, but across many years. Let's say the average elite young talent has 100 points to spread between "Smarts" and "Creativity". A guy like Scheifele might have his set at 60 points in "Smarts" and 40 in "Creativity" with room for improvement. A guy like Patrick might start off at a 70-30 split, again with room for development. A Kane probably enters the NHL with 25 points in "smarts" and 75 in "creativity", not that he's dumb, but he isn't a highly efficient and accurate player, or a two-way guy (especially at the start of his career where he was a one-dimensional player, although very good at said dimension). A guy like Crosby, a legitimate "best of the best", probably enters the NHL with 150 points instead of 100. His breakdown is thus closer to a 75-75 or 80-70 split. It's not that Patrick can't be a generational player, but unlike a McDavid he doesn't have that extra stat boost. Thus, it's harder to project his peak to be that of a 100-point player and consensus "best in the world" type talent. There's just more room he NEEDS to grow in order to reach those heights, and player development rarely if ever fully materializes a player's ceiling. And the reason I think Patrick doesn't have that stat boost is because thus far in his junior career he has yet to show anything that suggests he's heads and shoulders above the rest of his peers. Internationally, in the playoffs, whatever the case may be, his production reflects an elite prospect but not a player who is truly exceptional. The eye tests show a guy who is very smart and uses his body well, but he's not a player who sees things other players don't and he doesn't demonstrate the kind of puck skills and creativity that suggest a player with franchise-level upside. So unless it's very well and deliberately hidden (and after 3 seasons you'd expect him to show it even if by accident at some point) we can't place that level of skill on him. We can only evaluate a player by what he shows. If Nolan doesn't show something to that level, then we can't assume he grows into it. I'm not really interested in fallacies and "what-ifs", only what is being shown on a consistent basis. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, however, so I will acknowledge that it's not entirely impossible for him to be or turn out to be as good as McDavid. I just don't think it's realistic or all that likely.
  3. Definitely agreed with there. Toews was a beast offensively all the way through minor hockey, the defense came after he hit the NCAA and needed a way to get big minutes with a very talented North Dakota squad. He went 1st overall in the WHL draft despite insisting that he was going to the NCAA throughout his bantam year. That's how good he was. He also entered the NHL as a pretty dynamic scorer (that rookie season goal where he deked out an entire line is exactly what I'm talking about). Patrick strikes me as a safe player, which isn't a bad thing, but I don't think he has the puck skills or vision to dominate the game the way the best of the best tend to do. Still have him #1 after a few months and some inactivity though (posting the list here because too lazy to make a separate thread). --- 1. [1] C Nolan Patrick, Brandon, WHL 2. [2] RD Timothy Liljegren, Rogle BK, SHL/J20 3. [5] C Nico Hischier, Halifax, QMJHL 4. [4] C/RW Gabriel Vilardi, Windsor, OHL 5. [14] C Elias Pettersson, Timra IK, AllSvenskan 6. [NR] LD Miro Heiskanen, HIFK, Liiga 7. [17] C Casey Middlestadt, Green Bay, USHL (Eden Prairie High, Minn-HS) 8. [11] C Lias Andersson, HV71, SHL 9. [6] LW Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City, USHL 10. [8] RW Klim Kostin, Dynamo Moskva, KHL (Dynamo Balashikha, VHL) 11. [3] LW Maxime Comtois, Victoriaville, QMJHL 12. [NR] C Martin Necas, HC Kometa Brno, Czech Extraliga 13. [15] RD Cal Foote, Kelowna, WHL 14. [18] LD Nicolas Hague, Mississauga, OHL 15. [34] LD Robin Salo, Sport, Liiga 16. [12] RW Owen Tippett, Mississauga, OHL 17. [25] C Michael Rasmussen, Tri-City, WHL 18. [16] RW Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane, WHL 19. [10] LW Kristian Vesalainen, Frolunda, SHL (HPK, Liiga) 20. [NR] C Ryan Poehling, St. Cloud State (NCAA) 21. [7] LD Urho Vaakanainen, JYP, Liiga 22. [22] RW Nikita Popugayev, Moose Jaw, WHL 23. [9] C Scott Reedy, USA-U18s, USNTDP 24. [32] LD Juuso Valimaki, Tri-City, WHL 25. [19] C Marcus Davidsson, Djurgardens IF, SHL 26. [29] F Shane Bowers, Waterloo, USHL 27. [48] RD Artyom Minulin, Swift Current, WHL 28. [NR] C Cody Glass, Portland, WHL 29. [38] C Nick Suzuki, Owen Sound, OHL 30. [21] LW Matthew Strome, Hamilton, OHL 1. [1] G Daniil Tarasov, Russia U18s, MHL 2. [5] G Jake Oettinger, Boston University, NCAA 3. [2] G Michael DiPietro, Windsor, OHL 4. [4] G Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, HPK U20, Finland U20 5. [NR] G Keith Petruzzelli, Muskegon, USHL
  4. That is definitely true with regards to the McDavid thread you started and my initial comments. Understanding the pressure of hype and the junior system, I do my best to stay realistic wherever possible. One is to avoid disappointment and the other is because you just never know with junior aged kids. It's a very unforgiving system where you're expected to act like a great teammate and be supportive while all the while fighting off your teammates for the lion's share of ice time and media attention. It's not healthy development and in many cases kids will not live up to lofty expectations. I'd rather be proven wrong and witness a McDavid live up to all the expectations while remaining who he is than see him crash and burn with the weight of the world on his shoulders. He has proven he deserves all the labels given and I am willing to adjust my expectations as he develops. He went from a very good player in my mind who was the clear best in his draft year to almost Crosby-level talent (almost, not quite) because he performed like it. And even then, I expected Eichel to perform better initially because his body was more built to withstand pro players, acknowledging that McDavid would likely surpass him after an adjustment period (if the adjustment period was literally a period, then I'd like to still take credit for that call ). Same with Patrick. If he proves he deserves the hype then I adjust accordingly. So far, he is worth the hype he's getting (for the most part). Is he generational? I don't think he is. McDavid was a case where the greater majority were already expecting him to be a franchise level superstar and he did end up proving it with his performance in all facets. Patrick has not blown the doors off in the same way, and it's not just low key because of the way he plays. McDavid's teams were stacked, and partly because of his play helping lift his teammates' point totals as well. Nolan Patrick's teams were also stacked up to this point, and also partly because he lifts the play of his teammates. Great players tend to do that. Yes, big players tend to develop slower, but expecting every one to turn out like Lindros or Thornton is probably not a great use of time. If Patrick does prove me wrong, I'm willing to eat my words. I don't have an ego, him doing better than expected is great for hockey and I'd love it if that were the case. I might have a GM mindset of "expect the worst" but I'm not daft. Nolan does have more goals. He's definitely more balanced offensively in terms of pass vs. finish. McDavid's bread and butter on the other hand will always be playmaking, he's never been a scorer in the sense that he has an elite shot and in fact it's still one of the weaker shots in the league. If he could finish he'd be an easy 40 goal scorer. It's accurate, and he gets to scoring areas because he's smart, it just lacks the mustard to surprise goalies. Nolan being a bigger body and more developed physically not only gives him the ability to drive around defensemen and work the boards, but also a higher base strength that gives him the ability to score. McDavid, you literally wondered whether he could bend his stick in his 1st 2 seasons in the OHL. Ovechkin has a better shot than Crosby. It doesn't necessarily make him a better player overall. Players have different strengths and the only thing I worry about is how well they understand those strengths and how capable they are of using said strengths to produce and help their team win games. Patrick understands his limits as a player in the sense he isn't trying to dangle his way through 4 defenders, and that bodes well for a quick transition to the NHL. I do think he is more limited in terms of point production compared to more dynamic players, which might cap him lower than a player like Matthews, but overall you can't go wrong with a big center.
  5. Nolan Patrick's a late birthday, so comparing Modano's pre-draft year to Patrick's pre-draft year fails to take into account experience differences. Modano was 16 turning 17 in his pre-draft year while Patrick turned 17 a few games in. Similarly, a guy like Sam Reinhart's pre-draft year was 85 points, but because he's also a late-birthday, you have to consider that he should be compared with players from his bantam draft year. If we're comparing Patrick to Modano based on year of birth, then Modano's 16-year old season should be compared to Patrick's, where he had 55 points and 30 goals in 56 games. Again, fairly typical for a potential elite prospect's first junior season regardless of late-birthday status. Patrick being born 4 days earlier puts him in last year's draft, and as Bob McKenzie states, most scouts would have had him behind the two Finns and Matthews and some even preferred Dubois over Patrick. If we're comparing 17-turning 18-year old seasons, Patrick scored 41 goals and 102 points in 72 games. Connor McDavid, on the other hand, had 44 goals and 120 points in 47 games. We can break this down further into chunks since you might argue that McDavid being born in January gives him an edge in physical development: Patrick's production from January onward of last season, when he was firmly a 17-year old for a few months by that point, was 59 points in 35 games and 30 points in 21 playoff games. If we compare that to McDavid's, his pre-draft season's playoffs as a fresh 17-year old he had 19 points in 14 games and his first games in 2014, after a few months of being 17 and prior to breaking his hand, he had 51 points in 18 games. You would be likely the only person to believe Patrick is anywhere near McDavid, let alone equivalent or better, as a draft prospect. It really isn't close. Patrick is a blue chip player and it hurts me to downplay him because he's really good, but your stats are misinforming and misleading you to believe he's generational, when the context and underlying details of Patrick's stats show that, while still good, he's very much closer in equivalency to a guy like Nugent-Hopkins in terms of junior production at the same age as opposed to a McDavid. McDavid stepped in as a 15 year old, and while he suffered physically and seemed tired by the end of the season, it was immediately clear that he was probably already the most talented player in the OHL at that young of an age. By next year he had firmly cemented himself as such. The year after was just domination the likes of which the OHL hasn't seen since Eric Lindros. Even among special talents, he was heads and shoulders the best. I have yet to see the same sheer potential out of Patrick. I don't like dealing in what ifs and while hoping for him to become an elite first line player is far from unlikely, that doesn't make him a generational prospect. Patrick becoming a consistent 100+ point forward requires a lot of development, while for McDavid coming out of his draft it's, what, an extra 0.15 points per game (going by his rookie season)? The difference in development required for one to become such a player is vastly different from the other. The NHL is what it is, this isn't an alternate reality and the league doesn't change overnight in such a manner. Not to mention, the current league metagame is already heavily based on boardwork and the cycle game which theoretically should benefit a big skilled player more than a Crosby or McDavid, and yet we don't see a player like Benn or Getzlaf score 100 points with impunity. There are bottlenecks in development all the way up, and that final bottleneck is what separates a player from being a superstar and being a face of the league, and only 1 or 2 players seem to be able to break through that for more than a few seasons in any given decade. McDavid is the kind of player where even uneducated fans can tell his processing power and understanding (in other words, all traits that make him not just a fast skater but just fast all around, which is the way I'd describe his play) have already begun to bump him against said bottleneck. I don't foresee another player who can do that is as short a timespan as McDavid, not in the last few drafts, and not in the next few either (and there's some real good looking drafts in the next 5 years).
  6. I think he's fairly accurately placed as far as draft rankings compared to his peers, both in his draft class and historically. The only way he could get any higher is by posting generational scoring numbers, which he hasn't shown to be capable of at any point in his junior or minor hockey career. The reason I say numbers is because unlike a legitimate generational talent, most people are not jawdropped by Nolan Patrick's vision, his shot, his sense of timing, his awareness of open space and scoring areas, or his ability to carry the puck. All tools by which a generational player should possess in freakish levels. Patrick impresses a lot, but when Crosby/McDavid were around, the common word was "I didn't even think that what he did was POSSIBLE." Generational players tend to be players who transcend the limits of what players are expected to be because they're that ahead of the curve; Orr was the best skater and an offensive defenseman in an era of big lumbering defenders, Gretzky was a pure playmaker when the era he first broke into the league with expected centers to be big netfront presences who shot first, Lemieux was a big guy with the puck skills of the best players half a foot shorter, Lindros was the first "throwback" big skilled center with snarl and set the trend for the rest of the DPE, and Crosby grinds the boards and works behind the net so hard that you're afraid ads will scratch off after he's done (and now every team does it). Nolan Patrick doesn't strike as the kind of player who will threaten to score 100+ points in the NHL on a consistent basis the way Crosby and McDavid did. Those guys stepped in as 16 year olds and were immediately the best player in their leagues without a doubt. Patrick on the other hand has had a regular development curve for the average top prospect; he had a good/great season for a WHL rookie with growing pains, and then once he had the bulk and confidence he put up top prospect number as a 17-year old trusted with big minutes. If he missed the whole season he'd definitely drop, injury concerns do play a factor in the draft process. More importantly, he hasn't dominated the WHL when he has been playing like he's (unfairly) expected to as an older prospect.
  7. Never. Whatever the reason, no NHL-drafted player out of the WHL has been considered a potential generational player. Greg Joly, Mel Bridgman and Chris Phillips were all at the top of weak and lightly thought of draft classes. Gord Kluzak was injured in his draft year and was a surprise, being ranked 2nd or 3rd by most people. Wendel Clark, while good, was A. drafted as a defenseman and B. at the top of another fairly lightly-regarded draft class, which happened the year after a legitimate generational player appeared in Lemieux who clearly was notches above anybody in 1985. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was part of a fairly normal draft class, but he wasn't the clear-cut 1st overall pick for most of the year. Mike Modano was part of the best WHL draft class in terms of high-end picks, with the WHL going 1-2-3 in 1988 and the draft itself being fairly highly regarded (and it would turn out to be exactly that with names like Linden, Roenick, Brind'Amour and Selanne in the top 10 and sleepers like Amonte, Rob Blake and Mark Recchi in the mid-rounds). But Modano himself, while highly regarded was not considered a generational prospect like Lemieux or Lindros later, he was closer to the tier that people put Eichel on in comparison to McDavid (that is, a potential elite player for sure, but not "best in the world" type potential). Out of the 8 1st overall WHL draft picks (I'm including the old WCHL in this), the closest draft prospect to such a status was probably Doug Wickenheiser, who never lived up to expectations. People forget, but he was a heavy favorite for 1st overall pick in a draft with Denis Savard of all players. He wasn't quite Lemieux-level hype or play either, however, which is why I say he wasn't a generational prospect, but he was as close as the WHL has gotten. The WHL is the junior league closest to the NHL in terms of emphasis on good two-way play and a heavy board-based offensive metagame. This makes it easier to "get down" on a player's offensive potential, as the number of offensive dynamos that appear are few and far between and the ones that do appear end up putting up less impressive numbers compared to more open leagues. And while having such a style of play can help with quick acclimation to the NHL, it also has a tendency to stunt offensive growth because good offensive players are expected to work on their defense before being granted top minutes to a higher extent than seen in the QMJHL (where just being a good scorer tends to get you force-fed minutes) and the OHL (where as long as you aren't a complete liability defensively you'll do fine). The focus on board play means that skaters like McDavid are less emphasized and teams look for slower, maybe less purely skilled but bigger and stronger centers instead for their franchise stars, because they can consistently put up points in such a metagame. The end result is that the WHL's best scorers in the NHL have historically tended to be drafted later than their OHL or QMJHL counterparts, such as Joe Sakic going 15th. So it's a two-pronged system of "not developing enough pure-skill players to have one considered a generational player" and "because they don't develop any generational players, their best players aren't considered to have the same kind of upside as their CHL equivalents". Not saying that the WHL can't produce a generational player, but to do so would require a dramatic shift in mindset for 22 teams in the league which is unlikely to happen anytime soon. And Patrick falls into the "less-pure skill but bigger and stronger" category, which while good is the complete opposite of prior generational players. Guys like Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Lindros and now McDavid and Crosby aren't special because they're strong, they're special because they maximize their puck skills and hockey sense to the extent where they could be whatever size they want and still be without question the most dominant player in their junior and pro leagues.
  8. Connor McDavid is the most dominant skater the OHL has seen since Eric Lindros. Nolan Patrick is good, but he's multiple steps behind McDavid at every step of his development. Not only production-wise, but in terms of the tools that he shows on the ice on any given night. McDavid was the best skater, stickhandler, and passer in his junior league without question as an 18 year old. It's not a shame or an undersell to say Nolan Patrick is behind the generational players of recent years, that is a very high threshold that is unattainable for all but the very best. He is without question a very complete package however, and the kind of player who will step into an NHL lineup next year as a top scoring threat because he plays a very pro-friendly game. The league has been blessed with a decade-plus of strong drafts, and the end result is that a guy like Patrick, who looks like he'll be a consistent ~70-point big two-way center a la Anze Kopitar, is merely "average" among 1st overall picks. That's a good thing.
  9. Left for a few weeks, came back to a WHOLE NEW WORLD

     

    (yes, you may imagine the scene from Aladdin)

    1. Kulstad

      Kulstad

      It's just a Sominex-induced dream.  It will last for approximately 8 years.  Relax and enjoy the ride :-)

    2. Flyerfan52

      Flyerfan52

      It looks a lot different. You missed some not fun stuff.

  10. While I do agree with the overall sentiment, Patrick will be facing quite a lot of competition for that top spot. Liljegren is right up there and guys like Comtois, Hischier and Vilardi could jump up with strong draft years. It's another mixed bag as far as drafts go, where anyone could go anywhere and there is no prohibitive "wire to wire" favorite, like there was in 2015, 2016, or 2008. It could end up like 2013, where the top forward and top defender swap back and forth the entire year as they continue to jockey for draft position with each other. It could be like 2011, where the top defender slipped slightly over the season and forwards took over those top spots as a result of a balanced group up top. Or it could be like 2014, where the defender ends up staying in the mix with a strong group of forwards and then sneaks into pick 1.
  11. Preliminary Top 50 Rankings 1. C Nolan Patrick, Brandon (WHL) 2. RD Timothy Liljegren, Rögle (SHL) 3. F Maxime Comtois, Victoriaville (QMJHL) 4. C Gabriel Vilardi, Windsor (OHL) 5. C Nico Hischier, Halifax (QMJHL) 6. LW Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City (USHL) 7. LD Urho Vaakanainen, JYP (Liiga) 8. RW Klim Kostin, Russia U18s (MHL) 9. C Scott Reedy, USA-U18s (USNTDP) 10. LW Kristian Vesalainen, Frölunda (SHL) 11. F Lias Andersson, HV71 (SHL) 12. RW Owen Tippett, Mississauga (OHL) 13. LD Max Gildon, USA-U18s (USNTDP) 14. F Elias Pettersson, Timrå (ASK) 15. RD Callan Foote, Kelowna (WHL) 16. RW Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane (WHL) 17. F Casey Middelstadt, Eden Prairie High (HS-MN) 18. LD Nicolas Hague, Mississauga (OHL) 19. F Marcus Davidsson, Djurgårdens (SHL) 20. LW Rickard Hugg, Leksands (SHL) 21. F Matthew Strome, Hamilton (OHL) 22. RW Nikita Popugayev, Moose Jaw (WHL) 23. F Jesper Boqvist, Brynäs (SHL) 24. F Antoine Morand, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL) 25. C Michael Rasmussen, Tri-City (WHL) 26. LD Erik Brannstrom, HV71 (SHL) 27. RD Cale Fleury, Kootenay (WHL) 28. C Joel Teasdale, Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL) 29. F Shane Bowers, Waterloo (USHL) 30. F Grant Mismash, USA-U18s (USNTDP) 31. F Jason Robertson, Kingston (OHL) 32. LD Juuso Valimaki, Tri-City (WHL) 33. LD Jacob Paquette, Kingston (OHL) 34. LD Robin Salo, Sport (Liiga) 35. F Stelio Mattheos, Brandon (WHL) 36. RW Brannon McManus, Omaha (USHL) 37. LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph (OHL) 38. F Nick Suzuki, Owen Sound (OHL) 39. RD Luke Martin, University of Michigan (NCAA) 40. LD David Farrance, USA-U18s (USNTDP) 41. C Adam Ruzicka, Pardubice (CZE) 42. F Alex Chmelevski, Ottawa (OHL) 43. F Ivan Lodnia, Erie (OHL) 44. C Evan Barratt, USA-U18s (USNTDP) 45. F Kirill Slepets, Russia U18s (MHL) 46. LD Tom Hedberg, Leksands (SHL) 47. C Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Spokane (WHL) 48. RD Artyom Minulin, Swift Current (WHL) 49. RD Adam Tilander, Skellefteå (SWE-J20) 50. F Yaroslav Alexeyev, Sherbrooke (QMJHL) 1. G Daniil Tarasov, Russia U18s (MHL) 2. G Michael DiPietro, Windsor (OHL) 3. G Stuart Skinner, Lethbridge (WHL) 4. G Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, HPK (FIN-U20) 5. G Jake Oettinger, Boston University (NCAA)
  12. 2017 Draft Watch List is up!

  13. S: Exceptional level of interest, possible top 5 draft pick. A: Extremely high levels of interest, possible non-playoff (top 15) draft pick B: High levels of interest, possible 1st round draft pick C: Moderate levels of interest, possible 2nd or 3rd round draft pick D: Outside level of interest, possible late-round draft pick WHL: S-Level Prospects: C Nolan Patrick, Brandon Wheat Kings A-Level Prospects: RW Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs --- D Callan Foote, Kelowna Rockets B-Level Prospects: F Stelio Mattheos, Brandon Wheat Kings F Nikita Popugayev, Moose Jaw Warriors C Michael Rasmussen, Tri-City Americans --- D Cale Fleury, Kootenay Ice D Juuso Valimaki, Tri-City Americans C-Level Prospects: C Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Spokane Chiefs F Jordy Bellerive, Lethbridge Hurricanes C Cody Glass, Portland Winterhawks RW Kole Lind, Kelowna Rockets W Sami Moilanen, Seattle Thunderbirds F Kyle Olson, Tri-City Americans --- D Josh Brook, Red Deer Rebels D Henri Jokiharju, Portland Winterhawks D Artyom Minulin, Swift Current Broncos D Mark Rubinchik, Saskatoon Blades D Jonathan Smart, Kelowna Rockets D Scott Walford, Victoria Royals --- G Stuart Skinner, Lethbridge Hurricanes D-Level Prospects: F Artyom Baltruk, Edmonton Oil Kings F Logan Christensen, Saskatoon Blades W Connor Dewar, Everett Silvertips F Erik Gardiner, Regina Pats F James Hamblin, Medicine Hat Tigers F Aleksi Heponiemi, Swift Current Broncos F Mark Kastelic, Calgary Hitmen F Parker Kelly, Prince Albert Raiders F Jake Leschyshyn, Regina Pats F Lukus MacKenzie, Saskatoon Blades (yes, I spelled that one right, don’t ask me questions) F Ethan McIndoe, Spokane Chiefs F Kobe Mohr, Edmonton Oil Kings F Josh Paterson, Saskatoon Blades F Ryan Peckford, Victoria Royals W Austin Pratt, Red Deer Rebels F Tyler Preziuso, Medicine Hat Tigers F Mason Shaw, Medicine Hat Tigers LW Matthew Wedman, Seattle Thunderbirds F Lane Zablocki, Regina Pats --- D Brayden Gorda, Edmonton Oil Kings D Nolan Kneen, Kamloops Blazers D Jarret Tyszka, Seattle Thunderbirds --- G Jordan Hollett, Regina Pats G Ian Scott, Prince Albert Raiders OHL: A-Level Prospects: RW Owen Tippett, Mississauga Steelheads C Gabriel Vilardi, Windsor Spitfires --- D Nicolas Hague, Mississauga Steelheads B-Level Prospects: F Jason Robertson, Kingston Frontenacs C Matthew Strome, Hamilton Bulldogs --- D Jacob Paquette, Kingston Frontenacs C-Level Prospects: F Alexander Chmelevski, Ottawa 67’s C Brady Gilmour, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds C Austen Keating, Ottawa 67’s F Alexei Lipanov, Barrie Colts F Ivan Lodnia, Erie Otters F Nathan Schnarr, Guelph Storm C Jack Studnicka, Oshawa Generals F Nicholas Suzuki, Owen Sound Attack F Robert Thomas, London Knights --- D Markus Phillips, Owen Sound Attack D Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph Storm --- G Michael DiPietro, Windsor Spitfires D-Level Prospects: RW Robbie Burt, Oshawa Generals F Macaulay Carson, Sudbury Wolves F Hunter Canestra, Niagara IceDogs F Cole Coskey, Saginaw Spirit C Mackenzie Entwistle, Hamilton Bulldogs F Morgan Frost, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds C Liam Hawel, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds F Benjamin Jones, Niagara IceDogs F Renars Krastenbergs, Oshawa Generals F Kyle MacLean, Oshawa Generals F Kirill Maximov, Saginaw Spirit C Ryan McGregor, Sarnia Sting F Nick McHugh, Kitchener Rangers W Greg Meireles, Kitchener Rangers F Brett Neumann, Erie Otters F Isaac Ratcliffe, Guelph Storm F Zachary Roberts, Owen Sound Attack F Marian Studenic, Hamilton Bulldogs F Maxim Sushko, Owen Sound Attack --- D Ian Blacker, London Knights D Hayden Davis, Niagara IceDogs D Anthony DeMeo, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds D Samuel Duchesne, Flint Firebirds D Cole Fraser, Peterborough Petes D Fedor Gordeev, Hamilton Bulldogs D Nick Grima, Peterborough Petes D Mac Hollowell, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds D Jachym Kondelik, Sudbury Wolves D Brady Lyle, North Bay Battalion D Reagan O’Grady, Sudbury Wolves --- G Kaden Fulcher, Hamilton Bulldogs G Kyle Keyser, Flint Firebirds G Jacob McGrath, Sudbury Wolves QMJHL: S-Level Prospects: F Maxime Comtois, Victoriaville Tigres A-Level Prospects: F Nico Hischier, Halifax Mooseheads B-Level Prospects: F Antoine Morand, Acadie-Bathurst Titan C Joel Teasdale, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada C-Level Prospects: F Yaroslav Alexeyev, Sherbrooke Phoenix LW Samuel Bucek, Shawinigan Cataractes LW Arnaud Durandeau, Halifax Mooseheads --- D Jocktan Chainey, Halifax Mooseheads D Zachary Lauzon, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies D Matteo Pietroniro, Baie-Comeau Drakkar D-Level Prospects: C Joel Bishop, Halifax Mooseheads RW Shawn Boudrias, Charlottetown Islanders F Adam Capannelli, Baie-Comeau Drakkar LW Louis-Philip Côté, Quebec Remparts F Carson MacKinnon, Rimouski Oceanic F Shaun Miller, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada F Axel Simic, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada --- D Mathieu Charlebois, Halifax Mooseheads D Antoine Crete-Belzile, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada D Walter Flower, Halifax Mooseheads D Igor Galygin, Acadie-Bathurst Titan D Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Charlottetown Islanders D Alexander Krief-Fleming, Chicoutimi Sagueneens D Simon Le Coultre, Moncton Wildcats D Keenan MacIsaac, Chicoutimi Sagueneens --- G Dereck Baribeau, Val D’Or Foreurs G Alex D’Orio, Saint John Sea Dogs G Kyle Jessiman, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles G Matthew Welsh, Charlottetown Islanders Europe & Russia: S-Level Prospects: D Timothy Liljegren, Rögle BK (SHL) A-Level Prospects: C Lias Andersson, HV71 (SHL) RW Klim Kostin, Russia U18s (MHL) C Elias Pettersson, Timrå IK (AllSvenskan) F Kristian Vesalainen, Frölunda HC (SHL) --- D Urho Vaakanainen, JYP (Liiga) B-Level Prospects: F Jesper Boqvist, Brynäs IF (SHL) F Marcus Davidsson, Djurgårdens IF (SHL) LW Rickard Hugg, Leksands IF (SHL) --- D Erik Brannstrom, HV71 (SHL) D Robin Salo, Sport (Liiga) C-Level Prospects: F Ivan Chekhovich, Russia U18s (MHL) F Lukas Elvenes, Rögle BK J20 (SWE-J20) F Filip Krivosik, HPK (Liiga) F Emil Oksanen, Espoo United (Mestis) C Adam Ruzicka, HC Pardubice (CZE) F Kirill Slepets, Russia U18s (MHL) F Fabian Zetterlund, Färjestad BK J20 (SWE-J20) --- D Tom Hedberg, Leksands IF (SHL) D Miro Heiskanen, HIFK U20 (FIN-U20) D Kasper Kotkansalo, Blues U20 (FIN-U20) D Adam Tilander, Skellefteå AIK J20 (SWE-J20) --- G Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, HPK U20 (FIN-U20) G Daniil Tarasov, Russia U18s (MHL) D-Level Prospects: F Tobias Ahstrom, MODO Hockey J20 (SWE-J20) RW Erik Aterius, Leksands IF J20 (SWE-J20) F Jesper Emanuelsson, Frölunda HC J20 (SWE-J20) F Teemu Engberg, HIFK U20 (FIN-U20) F Lukas Henze, VIK Västerås HK J20 (SWE-J20) F Joni Ikonen, Frölunda HC J20 (SWE-J20) F Pavel Koltygin, Russia U18s (MHL) F Jesse Koskenkorva, Kärpät U20 (FIN-U20) F Kirill Kozhevnikov, Russia U18s (MHL) F Hugo Leufvenius, Linköping HC J20 (SWE-J20) F Aatu Luusuaniemi, Kärpät U20 (FIN-U20) F Maxim Marushev, Russia U18s (MHL) F Kalle Miketinac, Frölunda HC J20 (SWE-J20) F Martin Necas, HC Kometa Brno U20 (CZE-U20) F Linus Nyman, Jokerit U20 (FIN-U20) F Lauri Pajuniemi, TPS U20 (FIN-U20) F Ostap Safin, HC Sparta Praha U20 (CZE-U20) F Filip Sveningsson, HV71 J20 (SWE-J20) F Matyas Svoboda, SK Kadan (CZE-2) F Marcus Sylvegard, Malmö Redhawks J20 (SWE-J20) F Aarne Talvitie, Blues U20 (FIN-U20) F Santeri Virtanen, TPS U20 (FIN-U20) --- D August Berg, Brynäs IF J20 (SWE-J20) D Victor Berglund, MODO Hockey J20 (SWE-J20) D Anton Bjorkman, Linköping HC J20 (SWE-J20) D Martin Bodak, Tappara U20 (FIN-U20) D William Dageryd, Luleå HF J20 (SWE-J20) D Jakub Galvas, HC Olomouc U20 (CZE-U20) D Jesper Kokkila, Kärpät U20 (FIN-U20) D Algot Landin, Timrå IK J20 (SWE-J20) D Karl Markstrom, Frölunda HC J20 (SWE-J20) D Eero Teravainen, Jokerit U20 (FIN-U20) D Sebastian Walfridsson, MODO Hockey J20 (SWE-J20) --- G Olle Eriksson Ek, Färjestad BK J20 (SWE-J20) G David Otter, Leksands IF J20 (SWE-J20) G Arvid Soderblom, Frölunda HC J20 (SWE-J20) NCAA Commits, USHL, and USNTDP: A-Level Prospects: F Casey Middelstadt, Eden Prairie High Eagles (HS-MN) C Scott Reedy, USA-U18s (USNTDP) LW Eeli Tolvanen, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL) --- D Max Gildon, USA-U18s (USNTDP) B-Level Prospects: F Shane Bowers, Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL) F Grant Mismash, USA-U18s (USNTDP) C-Level Prospects: C Evan Barratt, USA-U18s (USNTDP) RW Brannon McManus, Omaha Lancers (USHL) C Joshua Norris, USA-U18s (USNTDP) LW Michael Pastujov, USA-U18s (USNTDP) F Ryan Poehling, St. Cloud State Huskies (NCAA) --- D David Farrance, USA-U18s (USNTDP) D Jake Harrison, West Kelowna Warriors (BCHL) D Philip Kemp, USA-U18s (USNTDP) D Nate Knoepke, USA-U18s (USNTDP) D Cale Makar, Brooks Bandits (AJHL) D Joshua Maniscalco, USA-U18s (USNTDP) D Luke Martin, Michigan Wolverines (NCAA) D Ian Mitchell, Spruce Grove Saints (AJHL) --- G Jake Oettinger, Boston University (NCAA) G Keith Petruzelli, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL) G Cayden Primeau, Lincoln Stars (USHL) D-Level Prospects: F Wyatt Bongiovanni, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL) LW Joseph Cassetti, USA-U18s (USNTDP) F Matthew Cassidy, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL) F Noah Cates, Stillwater High Ponies (HS-MN) F Logan Cockerill, USA-U18s (USNTDP) RW Adam Dawe, Notre Dame Hounds (SJHL) F Charlie Dovorany, Shattuck St. Mary’s Prep (HS-MN) F Tyler Gratton, Chicago Steel (USHL) F Randy Hernandez, USA-U18s (USNTDP) F Logan Hutsko, USA-U18s (USNTDP) F Isaac Johnson, Anoka High Tornadoes (HS-MN) C Patrick Khodorenko, Michigan State Spartans (NCAA) F Jeremy Klessens, Olds Grizzlies (AJHL) F Marc MacLaughlin, Cushing Academy Penguins (HS-MA) RW Andrew Nedeljkovic, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL) F Baker Shore, Chicago Steel (USHL) F Graham Slaggert, USA-U18s (USNTDP) RW Baron Thompson, Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL) F Adam Tisdale, Canmore Eagles (AJHL) F Jacob Tortora, USA-U18s (USNTDP) --- D Grant Anderson, Wayzata High Trojans (HS-MN) D Mike Anderson, Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL) D Jesse Bjugstad, Stillwater High Ponies (HS-MN) D Joshua Ess, Lakeville South High Cougars (HS-MN) D Tyler Inamoto, USA-U18s (USNTDP) D Joey Keane, Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL) D Matt Kirwan, Avon Old Farms High Winged Beavers (HS-CT) D Graham Lillibridge, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL) D Griffin Mendel, Penticton Vees (BCHL) D Thomas Miller, USA-U18s (USNTDP) D Reilly Walsh, Chicago Steel (USHL) --- G Adam Scheel, USA-U18s (USNTDP)
  14. I think there's a lot of solid defenders who will end up being available, so I'd actually think Jokipakka is likely staying with us. It really depends on which way they wanna go with regards to selecting players. By the end of the day, they'll likely have 33-35 players and a number of extra draft picks, but an NHL roster only holds 23 players. If I'm George McPhee and his yet-to-be decided management team, I'm grabbing 18-20 or so legitimate NHL players (16-18 skaters, 2 goalies) and then using the rest of the picks on young players who need a change of scenery or the highest potential guys available. Those tweener players are the ones who give you a solid fallback in case of injuries, and are most likely to be the ones who outplay their original projections. Guys like Craig Smith are good players, but at 26 years old you know what you're getting, for better or worse. I would want to fill out the rest of my system with guys like Jesper Fast, Tomas Jurco, Seth Griffith, Josh Anderson, Jake McCabe, and Linus Ullmark, guys who are on the cusp of becoming NHLers and have a small chance of being impact players. Enough guys that you could start an AHL roster and have it made up of mostly guys on NHL contracts. Any big holes in the NHL roster can be filled with free agency. Maybe they won't be stars, but guys like Hudler, Stafford, Franson and Kulikov are quality players who are good stopgaps while the team is still building up star young talent. With the team being guaranteed a top-6 draft pick until 2020, they can focus on building a solid supporting cast for the young guns that will be coming in. From the Flames roster, since I don't see a guy available who'd be good enough to be worthy of filling a top 9 or top 4 role on the Las Vegas roster, I would go with using the Flames prospect pool to acquire a young player with potential. Right now that looks to be either Shinkaruk or Poirier, with an outside chance at it being one of Ferland, Culkin or Kulak depending on how they show this coming season. I mean, theoretically Las Vegas could select an impending free agent (the rule stipulates that teams have to make available 2 forwards and 1 defenseman of a certain caliber who are under contract, not that Vegas has to select a player under contract) but why do that when you could just fight for him in free agency?
  15. Ditto on the "password not recognized here" thing. Same password (new one that I got after following the instructions) but it only works if I log in at nhl.com and then open this page up. If I try it via this forum's login system, it says it's a wrong password.