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I live in the States and we invited over several friends to watch it with us' date=' the NBC montage that highlighted the USA-Canadian relationship was AWESOME in the beginning, many Americans know very little about Canada so it was very well designed for a foreign / American audience. The high-definition shots of the BC landscape were awe-inspiring and if the goal was to bring tourists from other countries - HUGE WIN for NBC for BC.[/quote']

Darn, I looked extensively for it but could not find it. NBC started coverage here in the States a 1/2 hour before handing over to the official feed from Canada. In that half hour they had one of the best montages I have ever seen.

The first 15 min focused on the US - Canada history since inception, acknowledging that Canada was in World War 2 well before "we" were, informed Americans that Canada is the #1 supplier of oil, trade, acknowledged our military sacrifice in Afghanistan and the special relationship of peace and brotherhood we have on a continent we share, clips of JFK talking about Canada etc etc. It was fantastic, all the things that Canadians lament Americans don't know and it was done with a spectacular montage with historical photos, gorgeous modern visuals and narration.

The second 15 minutes zeroed in on the American athletes, here is a link to it, not sure if it works in Canada. Let me know. The American filmmakers use of camera angles, slow-mo, narration, was to me very impressive. But the real part I liked was the first half not the second half which is this link.

Watching this on a 46 inch HD TV literally gave me goosebumps and I was happy to see the absolutely unapologetic way that NBC poured accolades on Canada as host nation. It is too bad that all I can provide is the Part 2 link in which they focus on mainly the athletes, it is still good but the best was the first part imo

http://www.nbcolympics.co...ml#canada+welcomes+world

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littlereddevil']There couldn't be a more fitting cauldron lighter than Wayne Gretzky. He is a national symbol to our country, and he helps define our great country.

I would of prefered Rick Hansen or the Fox family.  Wayne Gretzky is just a symbol that shows we love hockey.  Terry Fox and Rick Hansen are symbols of Canadians that impacted the lives of people across the world, plus BC natives.

  Rick Hansen lit the indoor cauldron along with Nancy Greene, Catriona Le May Doan, Wayne Gretzky and Steve Nash.

  

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The opening ceremony was pretty impressive. I missed the earlier parts though, kinda caught it half way into it so don't know what people were complaining about some awkward moments/screw ups early on. What i was impressed with was the stage and decor. It was almost as good as Beijing 2008, except, there were fewer dancers and performers who were not as well coordinated as Beijing either. But, for a winter games, it's probably the best i've ever seen.

Wow, whoooo?! Kelly Vanderbeek? PLEASE put her on TV more often! Is she going to commentate any events? CTV ratings will go through the roof!!

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I watched them on TSN. Some impressive graphic projecting on the stage area with the floor and mountains etc, that was pretty cool. The artistic choices seemed a little weird like the fiddle playing and tap dancing, the fat hippie guy towards the end with the lame poetry, some of those choices didn't exactly exemplify Canada or being a Canadian but instead like lucky audition winners getting their big shot at a dinner theatre performance. The opera singing seemed lacking in continuity with the rest of the show.

The torch lighting part inside BC Place was a failure of epic proportions when those arms didn't raise properly? How embarrassing! Fire somebody and whoever is standing beside them too! I don't know whose assigned torch didn't raise but I thought that they should have just walked over and shared one that did go up when it was time to light them.

The security escorting Gretzky down to the water seemed pretty bad too. Don't try to tell me all those people passed any kind of security screening. There were gang bangers and drunks with dirty Canucks jerseys on running right up to the truck yelling and slapping it with no cops between the vehicle and the crowd at all? I'm no security expert but i'm pretty sure that was a fail. If I was Gretz, I woulda been freaked.

Anyway, the winter Olympics opening ceremonies are not known for being as huge a production as the summer games so you can't fairly make that comparison. As far as the Winter Games go, that  was probably pretty good even though it looked like it fell a little short of a more grandiose vision.

The Fiddlers and Dancers were paying tribute to Canada's Irish and Scottish heritage which is HUGE in the maritimes. In case you didn't notice, they worked from east to west with the praries after that then the rockies.

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The Fiddlers and Dancers were paying tribute to Canada's Irish and Scottish heritage which is HUGE in the maritimes. In case you didn't notice, they worked from east to west with the praries after that then the rockies.

They mentioned 4 groups that were represented by those performers I believe, French was one also, the others... I don't remember. My point is that the amount of emphasis on the fiddling and dancing was a disproportionate representation of the cultural significance of those groups in our country. Sure they are a unique and important part of our nation, but so are many others who were not mentioned. It was like,  "Look world, we are Canada, see us dance and fiddle in workboots and worksocks with bizarre hairdos, this is who we are."

The natives, maritimers, landscapes, music, etc., were all put together as an artistic composition to represent our nation, I get that Don. I just think that whoever was in charge of putting it all together got lost in the details or the overwhelming scope of the project and the final result was a slightly skewed portrait.

The strength and successful part of those ceremonies were centered around the great visual graphics and when they started specifically representing certain elements of the country, they were doomed to disappoint somewhat because the country has just too vast a number of significant components that  contribute to the whole to ever hope to acknowledge them all. I think it should have leaned a little more towards an abstract collage like it did for portions of the show.

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My thoughts on the opening ceremonies were that it was absolutely fantastic. The Lights, Lasers (Lots of practice with them in GM Place I guesslaugh.gif) and Curtains were great.

>>> Does anybody know who was the boy who boarded through the Olympic rings. That was fun! Sigh, I wish I watched the REAL version (I'll just have to get the DVD of it when I'm there in March (Paraolympics), because it was Chinese new years (Year of Eddie Murphy (Dragon on Mulan), the Celtic Fiddling was really cool! they had paper leaves for the dress rehersal ( tried to catch some, but they kept on floating away. devil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gif or the SNOW. ( I first I though it was going to be an enviromental Gore preachy thing, when the ice broke up and the Inuit elders were scattered, about global warming, but it had dolphins jumping out.

Combined with the Dancers and Aboriginal Performers it was awe inspiring. The Performances from Nelly and Brian, Sarah Mclaughlin, Ashley Macisaac and K D Lang were outstanding. Very fitting and heart felt memorial silences and references for Nodar.

However I can't believe with all the money spent and volunteers they didn't thoroughly test the Flame Calderon Spigots's Hydraulics. What a time for one of them to fail eh? Over all though it was a great Opening Ceremony and here is to a very safe, happy and historical Winter Olympic Games.

>>> That's what I though too. Like they could at least test the pillars on us volunteers that night, but they were so paranoid that they didn't want us to spoil the surprise!

About the saftey of the games, I do hope the sleders are careful when they navigate those Crazy Canuck turns. It was very crazy that the year Nodar was born 1988, Calgary's games. was the last one in Canada before the Vancouver games. the games would also be remembered for some creepy things too, like women's skiing, protestors jailed in a DEMOCRATIC country, many native bands protested the games and refused to endorse them, as noble as the ambassadors from the 4 tribes. They were the only ones to endorse the games. smokin.gifpimp.gifBut still I'm glad that they did. (one of the volunteers I met after the games, commented that the 4 totums looked like 4 giant you know what organs. slowly going UP. ah male hormones! Also, the media is going to have a field day once the games are over, saying wahhh wahhhh we should have spent the 40 Million on homeless sheters in East Hastings instead of a cauldron that doesn't work. eyes.gifeyes.gif They have even gone so far as create homeless mascots, Itchy the bed flea for instance (I wrote a very innapproriate hate filled rant (where my spoilers post went earlier in thread.  Getting hot scalding coffee at the Seed thrown at your face, tends to do that, like nobody wonders about the volunteers of the Homeless, we tend to get the heel end of their fustrations (because we have rules (mainly to perserve our resources, because nobody tends to donate to these services), but East Hastings which is just 5 from the heart of the games area. (Granville Street), is going to be a hot spot. (inface some protestors already protested the opening of the games). (like let us tax payers earn money so we can pay taxes that goes into these services. Why bite the hand that feeds you?) We volunteers deserve "some" fun we give 75% boss 25% to help support and 10% for us and our friends family and fun times) It should be US who are cranky and burnt out and grungy looking on East Hastings. 

Why are all olympics involved in weird stuff? For once in my life I would like to see one olympics not involved, in Graft, or being protested at, where we can see the "Glory of sport", and all the sentiments that my Training DVD is trying to drill into my head. (btw, I have to really take a close look at that!). I guess when Jesus returns, or Allah (for the  Muslims), or the 9th Buddah, or the games are hosted in Kingston Jamacia, or Bahamas. (That would be soo cool actually the games hosted in the collective Carribeans Islands, those would be some fun olympics).

Vulcans return we would see our first olympics that doesn't have controversy. But for now, the Olympics besides being a free add for Coke, Visa, and Pepsi, Mc Donalds, is still the closest thing to a world wide party fest where we get to see attractive, and healthy youths really showing us what kind of punishment the body can take. Let's just hope that sleders slow down on some of those turns poor kid.

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The Fiddlers and Dancers were paying tribute to Canada's Irish and Scottish heritage which is HUGE in the maritimes. In case you didn't notice, they worked from east to west with the praries after that then the rockies.

I liked how the shadow of the one fiddler on the moon resembled Batman, by far the best part of the ceremonies.  Well that guy that sang Hallelujah was pretty good too.

  

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[quote name='senor_incendiarse wrote:


The_Don']

The Fiddlers and Dancers were paying tribute to Canada's Irish and Scottish heritage which is HUGE in the maritimes. In case you didn't notice, they worked from east to west with the praries after that then the rockies.

I liked how the shadow of the one fiddler on the moon resembled Batman, by far the best part of the ceremonies.  Well that guy that sang Hallelujah was pretty good too.

  laugh.gif Yeah, I'd like to meet his tailor!

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I don't know whose assigned torch didn't raise but I thought that theyshould have just walked over and shared one that did go up when it wastime to light them.

That was Catriona LeMay Doan who did not get to light the torch because it was her arm of the cauldron that didn't raise. What a shame!

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I thought they were very well done, but if I had one complaint it would be that they were a bit slow - too much artistic merit and not enough celebration and energy.  The whales were awesome, the poet guy was great and the stage/floor looking like water and snow and leaves and so many other things was really cool.

At the end of the day, if the world goes away thinking that Canada consists of giant whales, giant mountains, giant prairies, giant bears and giant penises, well... that's not so bad! wink.gif

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Tough luck for Jenn tonight. Perfect run except for her second landing was a little shaky. She still won us a Silver and our first metal in Womens Mogul though.

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I thought they were very well done, but if I had one complaint it would be that they were a bit slow - too much artistic merit and not enough celebration and energy.  The whales were awesome, the poet guy was great and the stage/floor looking like water and snow and leaves and so many other things was really cool.

At the end of the day, if the world goes away thinking that Canada consists of giant whales, giant mountains, giant prairies, giant bears and giant penises, well... that's not so bad! wink.gif

Was there more than one poet guy?

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Darn Jenn Heil came oh so close to getting the gold. The American (Kearney) had the race of ther life and she was flawless. She certainly deserved the gold.

Charles Hamelin was disappointing tonight, so to was Olivier Jean, but I guess Charles was able to at least get some redemption by winning the B final in the 1500 m.

Looking forward to tomorrow though. I have a strong feeling that one Kristina Groves or Cindy Klassen will get Canada's first gold on home soil. I believe these two stand a great chance at both making the podium and the fact that Canada has been so dominant at the women's level in speed skating only helps the cause. Go Canada! Cheers to Heil on her silver medal!

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Mixed feelings after Day 1.

Glad Jenn Heil got a medal, though I wish it was Gold, and being surrounded by two Americans on the podium is always annoying to see. But given how many women wiped out on the mogels course I think it was great she managed to pick us up the medal.

Then of course there was the men's 1500m short track. Frustrating that the Americans picked up 2 medals because the Koreans botched the final few seconds. I wish Jean could have picked up Bronze...if only Hamelin was there he would have easily got a medal.

I don't know much about our athletes...I'm learning along the way. I hope we've got a lot to look forward to. I know we've got great shots in Hockey for 2 golds and Curling as well, but beyond that I don't know. Klassen and Hughes have great reputations so hopefully they can bring us some glory.

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Personally I think Vancouver has totally pooped the bed so far on the Games. I think they really have missed the point on many levels, I would trade every single medal ever won and ever to be won by Canada for the construction of a safe luge track alone. To say nothing of protestors who have now turned violent and injured two police officers. The whole city can protest till their hearts content but the moment it turns violent the spirit of the Olympic games is just as dead as the Georgian luge rider.

(1) An athlete killed on a luge track that was designed inappropriately and don't say it wasn't because the fact that they have modified it and adjusted the start portion of the men to the women's distance should prove it was.

(2) An opening ceremony that was at best disorganized. Native leaders showing up late for the announcements of the VIP box and the failure of the torch ceremony to be lit as planned ? Even the artistic merit of the program can be rationally questioned. Batman playing the fiddle in the yellow moon while riding a canoe ? Tap dancing punks in kilts ?

(3) Protestors who have now crossed the line into violence.

(4) The location itself out of sync for a Winter Olympics and constant rain.

(5) The potato chip medal design and I could go on...

(6) Canadian luge riders insulting the Germans and accusing them of cheating with magnets in their sleds ?

And we are only on day 1, if all Canadians forget that the Olympics are NOT about your medal count, they are about humanity coming together in a spirit of good will and friendly competition than the spirit of the Olympics is absent. Perhaps my memories of Calgary 88 are still too vibrant but to me it isn't even a comparison so far between Van 2010 and Calgary 88.

As a host country I expected us to do much better for the world, it is literally a once in a generation opportunity and it has made me feel quite sad to see it marred so much. I was a young volunteer in Calgary 88 and remember with utter clarity and exuberance as it being one of the best 2 weeks of my entire life.

What I've seen so far has just made me feel sad, I could not care less if Canada wins Gold or not, that is not what the true spirit of the Olympics is, it is about all athletes giving their best. It is about us being a good host to the world, caring for their young athletes and making their competitions safe, smiling and welcoming all the people of the world whether athletes, coaches, their family, not throwing bricks through windows and yelling in anger about God knows what, a few people in Vancouver have really got it backwards...

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[quote name='bigchief wrote:


The_Don']
The Fiddlers and Dancers
were paying tribute to Canada's Irish and Scottish heritage which is HUGE in the maritimes. In case you didn't notice, they worked from east to west with the praries after that then the rockies.

They mentioned 4 groups that were represented by those performers I believe, French was one also, the others... I don't remember. My point is that the amount of emphasis on the fiddling and dancing was a disproportionate representation of the cultural significance of those groups in our country. Sure they are a unique and important part of our nation, but so are many others who were not mentioned. It was like,  "Look world, we are Canada, see us dance and fiddle in workboots and worksocks with bizarre hairdos, this is who we are."

The natives, maritimers, landscapes, music, etc., were all put together as an artistic composition to represent our nation, I get that Don. I just think that whoever was in charge of putting it all together got lost in the details or the overwhelming scope of the project and the final result was a slightly skewed portrait.

The strength and successful part of those ceremonies were centered around the great visual graphics and when they started specifically representing certain elements of the country, they were doomed to disappoint somewhat because the country has just too vast a number of significant components that  contribute to the whole to ever hope to acknowledge them all. I think it should have leaned a little more towards an abstract collage like it did for portions of the show.

What is it that you feel was left out?

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Personally I think Vancouver has totally pooped the bed so far on the Games. I think they really have missed the point on many levels, I would trade every single medal ever won and ever to be won by Canada for the construction of a safe luge track alone. To say nothing of protestors who have now turned violent and injured two police officers. The whole city can protest till their hearts content but the moment it turns violent the spirit of the Olympic games is just as dead as the Georgian luge rider.

(1) An athlete killed on a luge track that was designed inappropriately and don't say it wasn't because the fact that they have modified it and adjusted the start portion of the men to the women's distance should prove it was.

(2) An opening ceremony that was at best disorganized. Native leaders showing up late for the announcements of the VIP box and the failure of the torch ceremony to be lit as planned ? Even the artistic merit of the program can be rationally questioned. Batman playing the fiddle in the yellow moon while riding a canoe ? Tap dancing punks in kilts ?

(3) Protestors who have now crossed the line into violence.

(4) The location itself out of sync for a Winter Olympics and constant rain.

(5) The potato chip medal design and I could go on...

(6) Canadian luge riders insulting the Germans and accusing them of cheating with magnets in their sleds ?

And we are only on day 1, if all Canadians forget that the Olympics are NOT about your medal count, they are about humanity coming together in a spirit of good will and friendly competition than the spirit of the Olympics is absent. Perhaps my memories of Calgary 88 are still too vibrant but to me it isn't even a comparison so far between Van 2010 and Calgary 88.

As a host country I expected us to do much better for the world, it is literally a once in a generation opportunity and it has made me feel quite sad to see it marred so much. I was a young volunteer in Calgary 88 and remember with utter clarity and exuberance as it being one of the best 2 weeks of my entire life.

What I've seen so far has just made me feel sad, I could not care less if Canada wins Gold or not, that is not what the true spirit of the Olympics is, it is about all athletes giving their best. It is about us being a good host to the world, caring for their young athletes and making their competitions safe, smiling and welcoming all the people of the world whether athletes, coaches, their family, not throwing bricks through windows and yelling in anger about God knows what, a few people in Vancouver have really got it backwards...

It appears you are turning this into a Vancouver vs. Calgary thing. You are letting your hate for the city cloud your view. I could be way off here though.

But to address your points.

1) I believe they modified it as a precaution. The word is it was an error by the athlete and not the track. We will never know the truth. But if it happens once it can happen again, so might as well do something about it.

2) Didn't Calgary's games open with dancing green dinosaurs, stage-coaches, lasoing cowboys and giant dinosaur parade floats? What about cowboys and dinosaurs says winter olympics?

3) What does protesters have to do with how the Olympics are organized? They are trying to disrupt that very thing.

4) huh?? What does rain in Vancouver have to do with anything? There is snow where snow is needed, despite the warmest winter in the history of the city, something that even VANOC cannot control.

5) It is unique, just like every other medal that is unique to their host. Chip? What? What a stupid thing to complain about.

6) They are humans with their own minds. VANOC itself did not say anything about anybody. No one can stop the athletes from saying what they want.

Again, you are complaining about the protesters, they are not associated with the people running the olympics, but rather the opposite.

I am in the same position you were in '88. Every day I go into my volunteer position I see what these games are about. Welcoming the world to our beautiful city and country, respecting all competitors and uniting the world through athletics. I am not sure why you are so sour about this, you clearly had the olympic spirit at one point in your life...

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[quote name=Flame111](1) An athlete killed on a luge track that was designed inappropriately and don't say it wasn't because the fact that they have modified it and adjusted the start portion of the men to the women's distance should prove it was.

(2) An opening ceremony that was at best disorganized. Native leaders showing up late for the announcements of the VIP box and the failure of the torch ceremony to be lit as planned ? Even the artistic merit of the program can be rationally questioned. Batman playing the fiddle in the yellow moon while riding a canoe ? Tap dancing punks in kilts ?

(3) Protestors who have now crossed the line into violence.

(4) The location itself out of sync for a Winter Olympics and constant rain.

(5) The potato chip medal design and I could go on...

(6) Canadian luge riders insulting the Germans and accusing them of cheating with magnets in their sleds ?

1) Have you ever done Luge, Bobsled or Skeleton? No? Then dont talk. I have done bobsled before and they tried to create a track that would challenge athletes to their limits and that is exactly what this track does. Yes it ended up faster then designed but even if he was only going 135km/h he was still going to die on that wipeout. They modified it to help the athletes get refocused, not because they think the track needed it. The only modification that was needed was to heighten the wall on turn 16. The difference between the mens start and the womens start is only 10km/h which means absolutely nothing when you hit an object that isnt moving. 

2) They only had 2 problems. The technical issue with the torch ceremony and the timing with the leaders showing. If you dont like Canadian heritage go somewhere else. You are the only person that I have heard complaining about the opening ceremony.

3) That was going to happen sooner or later at an Olypmics.

4) That isnt Vancouvers fault that the weather is bad. If this was such a huge concern then they wouldnt have won the bid.

5) They wanted something unique and why do you care what they look like, you arent the one trying to win one or having to wear one.

6) How is that Vancouvers fault? And how do you know they werent cheating? Oh thats right you dont. If  they had been cheating and our athlete had called them out on it you would be praising him for trying to make the playing field fair.

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I don't know whose assigned torch didn't raise but I thought that theyshould have just walked over and shared one that did go up when it wastime to light them.

That was Catriona LeMay Doan who did not get to light the torch because it was her arm of the cauldron that didn't raise. What a shame!

Was there suppose to be 5 arms that rose from the ground?  Because there were 5 torch bearers at the end.  I only saw 3 arms rise.

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It appears you are turning this into a Vancouver vs. Calgary thing. You are letting your hate for the city cloud your view. I could be way off here though.

I am in the same position you were in '88. Every day I go into my volunteer position I see what these games are about. Welcoming the world to our beautiful city and country, respecting all competitors and uniting the world through athletics. I am not sure why you are so sour about this, you clearly had the olympic spirit at one point in your life...

First off Don, this is definitely not personal, I don't 'hate' Vancouver, in fact it is the opposite. Our long term plan is too retire in SW BC, either on the island or somewhere in the outskirts off Vancouver. I think it is pretty objectively known that BC is the most beautiful and warmest part of Canada. It may have other issues but for a retiree who is well prepared and able to afford it, I honestly do not think any other part of Canada even comes close to being a candidate. 

As far as this being Calgary vs Vancouver, you're right there is no comparison. There are so many differences you can't compare the two. Most Winter Olympic host cities are small cities well under a million people in population which is where Calgary was in 88. Vancouver is unprecedented in so many ways as a Winter Olympic host city, it also has the super rare quality of actually being able to consider being a host to the summer and winter games. 

With so many more people, also comes so many more challenges. In fact I will even take it to the point of saying that the Calgary of today could not pull off the same type of Games that we did in 1988. Even before I left it was almost impossible to find someone in Calgary who was born there, 1 in 10 people was on my account and I asked every person I met. It has also grown so large that the friendly little city on the bow mentality has largely disappeared.  

The reason why I am 'sour' although I would say sad, not sour, is that I live in the States at the moment and I had really hoped for a great games, not a ok games but a great games without incident. The media predictably always goes looking for the negative story. The sad part is that this is what gets reflected outward to the world. frown.gif

I think there are two schools of thought on this, you can either get in the tent that we are all Canadians here and Vancouver is doing the best they can and there is no one to blame, lets pull together or detach and comment objectively. Focus on the positive and ignore the negative or you step outside the tent which may be easier if you are living in another country and watching foreign media and interpret the games and comment objectively even if it is not what any Canadian wants to hear.  

Maybe I should default into the position that if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all but that is hard to do when you are watching a lot of comments on the luge track, a flash to protestors and smashed glass, the IOC chairman's voice cracking and trembling etc. Don't take my comments personally, we are all Canadians and I may be mostly guilty of having unrealistic expectations for the Games in Vancouver. 

I'll address your points and Zirak's, with links to media from other parts of the world. Although you may not want to read them, the more time that passes the more I think I realize how lucky we were in Calgary in 88. It takes only a few people and mistakes and things get colored. It is like your city is a celebrity under the flashes of the world's paparazzi for 16 days and all it takes is a few mistakes and that can become the lasting impression, unfortunatelyfrown.gif 

I am very glad to hear that you are part of the Olympics as a Volunteer and I truly hope your experience is as positive as mine was, I am not in Vancouver and I may be totally off base with how the games really are there, I have a media filter to watch them through and my harsh honest comment is that through that filter it doesn't look so good, unfortunately though that is how over a billion people all over the world are experiencing them as well and I will provide their media links to back up my case...

Non-stop replays of a luge rider flying into a beam to a literal dead stop. The first time I saw it in real time I was literally shocked to the point I had to jump off my couch and exclaim "My God!", it was literally one of the most shocking things I have ever seen. Over and over this clip runs here, it has just numbed me. frown.gif Do I need to remind you that over a billion people are watching and making an association here with the host city ? frown.gif

I am sure that looking through your own eyes and experiencing the Olympics first hand is a million times better and more accurate but the media is like a dog, you can't give them a bone to chew on and they have got a couple now at this point. indifferent.gif

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[quote name='The_Don wrote:


bigchief'] My point is that the amount of emphasis on the fiddling and dancing was a disproportionate representation of the cultural significance of those groups in our country.

....the final result was a slightly skewed portrait.

What is it that you feel was left out?

.......workboots and worksocks with bizarre hairdos, this is who we are."

People who would not invite  Ashley McIsaac over for Sunday dinner?

By the way Don, all in all, a good job by the Vancouverites and an impressive show, I don't want you to get the impression that I am criticizing in an attempt to be trollish, big Kudos to all the volunteers who donated their time.

By the way, did you see the NBC opening program people have been talking about? I keep finding "not available outside of the US", it's supposed to be excellent.

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[quote name='The_People1 wrote:


bigchief']
I don't know whose assigned torch didn't raise but I thought that theyshould have just walked over and shared one that did go up when it wastime to light them.

That was Catriona LeMay Doan who did not get to light the torch because it was her arm of the cauldron that didn't raise. What a shame!

Was there suppose to be 5 arms that rose from the ground?  Because there were 5 torch bearers at the end.  I only saw 3 arms rise.

I don't know what the number or plan was on who was going to light which arm. I saw Gretzky interviewed and he expressed  how he felt bad for Catriona but he didn't mention anyone else so I'm not sure how those 5 were supposed to share 4 arms?

EDIT: Did Gretzky actually light one of the cauldron arms inside BC place? If you subtract him from the 5 torch bearers, that would make sense, 4 arms, 4 people.

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[quote name='Flame111 wrote:


The_Don']

It appears you are turning this into a Vancouver vs. Calgary thing. You are letting your hate for the city cloud your view.
I could be way off here though.

I am in the same position you were in '88. Every day I go into my volunteer position I see what these games are about. Welcoming the world to our beautiful city and country, respecting all competitors and uniting the world through athletics. I am not sure why you are so sour about this, you clearly had the olympic spirit at one point in your life...

First off Don, this is definitely not personal, I don't 'hate' Vancouver, in fact it is the opposite. Our long term plan is too retire in SW BC, either on the island or somewhere in the outskirts off Vancouver. I think it is pretty objectively known that BC is the most beautiful and warmest part of Canada. It may have other issues but for a retiree who is well prepared and able to afford it, I honestly do not think any other part of Canada even comes close to being a candidate. 

As far as this being Calgary vs Vancouver, you're right there is no comparison. There are so many differences you can't compare the two. Most Winter Olympic host cities are small cities well under a million people in population which is where Calgary was in 88. Vancouver is unprecedented in so many ways as a Winter Olympic host city, it also has the super rare quality of actually being able to consider being a host to the summer and winter games. 

With so many more people, also comes so many more challenges. In fact I will even take it to the point of saying that the Calgary of today could not pull off the same type of Games that we did in 1988. Even before I left it was almost impossible to find someone in Calgary who was born there, 1 in 10 people was on my account and I asked every person I met. It has also grown so large that the friendly little city on the bow mentality has largely disappeared.  

The reason why I am 'sour' although I would say sad, not sour, is that I live in the States at the moment and I had really hoped for a great games, not a ok games but a great games without incident. The media predictably always goes looking for the negative story. The sad part is that this is what gets reflected outward to the world. frown.gif

I think there are two schools of thought on this, you can either get in the tent that we are all Canadians here and Vancouver is doing the best they can and there is no one to blame, lets pull together or detach and comment objectively. Focus on the positive and ignore the negative or you step outside the tent which may be easier if you are living in another country and watching foreign media and interpret the games and comment objectively even if it is not what any Canadian wants to hear.  

Maybe I should default into the position that if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all but that is hard to do when you are watching a lot of comments on the luge track, a flash to protestors and smashed glass, the IOC chairman's voice cracking and trembling etc. Don't take my comments personally, we are all Canadians and I may be mostly guilty of having unrealistic expectations for the Games in Vancouver. 

I'll address your points and Zirak's, with links to media from other parts of the world. Although you may not want to read them, the more time that passes the more I think I realize how lucky we were in Calgary in 88. It takes only a few people and mistakes and things get colored. It is like your city is a celebrity under the flashes of the world's paparazzi for 16 days and all it takes is a few mistakes and that can become the lasting impression, unfortunatelyfrown.gif 

I am very glad to hear that you are part of the Olympics as a Volunteer and I truly hope your experience is as positive as mine was, I am not in Vancouver and I may be totally off base with how the games really are there, I have a media filter to watch them through and my harsh honest comment is that through that filter it doesn't look so good, unfortunately though that is how over a billion people all over the world are experiencing them as well and I will provide their media links to back up my case...

Non-stop replays of a luge rider flying into a beam to a literal dead stop. The first time I saw it in real time I was literally shocked to the point I had to jump off my couch and exclaim "My God!", it was literally one of the most shocking things I have ever seen. Over and over this clip runs here, it has just numbed me. frown.gif Do I need to remind you that over a billion people are watching and making an association here with the host city ? frown.gif

I am sure that looking through your own eyes and experiencing the Olympics first hand is a million times better and more accurate but the media is like a dog, you can't give them a bone to chew on and they have got a couple now at this point. indifferent.gif
You don't think the American media might have an agenda? To make sure that in the eyes of the American people, Vancouver and Canada cannot put on as good a games as themselves?

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Why are you people fighting over the olympics?

Just by bringing up the issues of vancouver, shoving it in their face, and comparing to calgary, takes away from everything that the Calgary Olympics was, and represented.

Vancouver is a party town, a passionate town, that fights for their different causes.

Calgary in 1988 was a city who still had a small town togetherness mentality.

Comparing differrent times, different eras, and entirely different types of people.

I think Vancouver is doing just fine.

Any canadians win any gold medals yet?

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