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#1 jjgallow

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:11 PM

After a rough start in the AHL, 21 year old Joni Ortio just had his best AHL game with a 35-save performance the other night:
http://theahl.com/st...ame.php?id=4090

IMHO opinion, Ortio was the the top goaltender of the 2011 World Juniors, and has as much a chance as any goaltender in our system of succeeding Kipper.

He might even have the best chance, due to his age. We keep expecting Kipper to decline, and here he's having his best season in years at the age of 35.

Ortio should be in his prime when Kipper approaches 40 years of age. With the way Kipper's playing we may not even Need a successor until then.

Great to see Ortio prove that he can be a top AHL goaltender. Let's see if he can actually Become a top AHL goaltender over the next year!

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 12:59 PM

1 game doesn't prove anything. Let's see him put together a few good games before anything. The kid has been bad in most of his outings this year and 1 good game doesn't change that.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:20 PM

1 game doesn't prove anything. Let's see him put together a few good games before anything. The kid has been bad in most of his outings this year and 1 good game doesn't change that.


Agreed.

Ortio has some good raw talent he just need to harness it and adjust to a pro style/North American game and 1 game doens't show that. I would earmark him as Kipper's suceesor just yet, but he has that type of potential I think. Not as an Elite starter but certainly as a solid one.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:40 PM

I tell you what guys...
http://stats.iihf.co...00_85A_10_0.pdf

You put any one of us (myself included) behind the net for one of those AHL games, and we would prove All Sorts of things. Namely, that we are not cut out to be AHL goaltenders.

Ortio proved that he is capable of making AHL-level stops, for the first time in his career.

Does one game change his outlook with the Flames? Of course not. His outlook is largely based on his World Juniors Performance, and his play the other night was finally In Line with that projection.

The fact that he struggled in his first few AHL games...THAT is what doesn't prove anything. That's what you don't base your projections on.

Of course, we hope for a time that his projection will be based on his AHL play. No, one game will not be enough, but it's the only place anyone ever starts.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:07 PM

I fall into the "He is in his 1st year over in North America". Backlund told us a bit how difficult it is at that age to learn a new language, learn a new life style, leave your friends and family behind. Because of that I put no expectations on him this year at all. It must take a huge amount of adjusting for him just to be here.

Early on he showed that he was playing his angles wrong. That is what a Goaltenders Coach is for.

I have not given up on him by any means but expected this season to be a wash. A good game is just a bonus at this stage.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:11 PM

I fall into the "He is in his 1st year over in North America". Backlund told us a bit how difficult it is at that age to learn a new language, learn a new life style, leave your friends and family behind. Because of that I put no expectations on him this year at all. It must take a huge amount of adjusting for him just to be here.

Early on he showed that he was playing his angles wrong. That is what a Goaltenders Coach is for.

I have not given up on him by any means but expected this season to be a wash. A good game is just a bonus at this stage.

I don't think anyone is giving up on him yet, just sayin lets not get too excited about a single game. I'd personally like to see Ortio go down to the ECHL and play on a regular basis to help him adapt to north american game a bit better. Then next year give him the backup role in Abby again and see how he does

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:31 PM

I don't think anyone is giving up on him yet, just sayin lets not get too excited about a single game. I'd personally like to see Ortio go down to the ECHL and play on a regular basis to help him adapt to north american game a bit better. Then next year give him the backup role in Abby again and see how he does

I agree - he needs to play. If he isn't getting games in Abby, send him where he will get playing time.

As for him being the best goalie at the WJC last year, I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that he is several years, and a lot of development, away from being NHL-ready

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 04:37 PM

I agree - he needs to play. If he isn't getting games in Abby, send him where he will get playing time.

As for him being the best goalie at the WJC last year, I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that he is several years, and a lot of development, away from being NHL-ready

I think the all-star team was correct in naming Jack Campell the top goaltender at the 2011 world juniors, but people also seem to overrate being the best goaltender at the World Juniors. That list includes alot of nobodies and alot of mediocre goaltenders.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:43 PM

I think the all-star team was correct in naming Jack Campell the top goaltender at the 2011 world juniors, but people also seem to overrate being the best goaltender at the World Juniors. That list includes alot of nobodies and alot of mediocre goaltenders.


Agree on both counts, Jack Campbell was hands down the best goalie at the World Juniors last year. Ortio was good, but not fantastic IMO.

Just to name a few, Jimmy Waite, Mike Dunham, Stephane Fiset, Marek Schwarz all top goalies at the WJC.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:54 PM

Well...it looks like there's a lot of opinions in those world juniors.

I would have gone with Ortio, hands down. The people who's opinion matters went with Benjamin Conz:
http://en.wikipedia....y_Championships

As for Campbell...I have a real hard time giving the guy the nod when they almost ran out of players trying to find someone he could make a save against:


Campbell and Ortio had almost identical stats. Campbell's save percentage was slightly better, and Ortio was the only one of the two to get a shutout.

But, you'll never convince me that Campbell faced the same kind of shots that Ortio did.

Just look at this USA Finland matchup: The US totally controlled the game, and if you compare the quality of the goals, well...it's subjective but I call Ortio the better goaltender hands down.


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Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:34 PM

Just to name a few, Jimmy Waite, Mike Dunham, Stephane Fiset, Marek Schwarz all top goalies at the WJC.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIHF_World_Under_20_Championship_Directorate_award_winners

Dominek Hasek,
Craig Billington,
Manny Legace,
Roberto Luongo,
Rick Dipietro,
Kari Lehtonen,
Carey Price,
Steve Mason

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I have a real hard time believing that it's a bad thing to be a top goaltender in the world juniors. That goes for any other list that Dominek Hasek is on...

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:57 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIHF_World_Under_20_Championship_Directorate_award_winners

Dominek Hasek,
Craig Billington,
Manny Legace,
Roberto Luongo,
Rick Dipietro,
Kari Lehtonen,
Carey Price,
Steve Mason

...
I have a real hard time believing that it's a bad thing to be a top goaltender in the world juniors. That goes for any other list that Dominek Hasek is on...


It's not a bad thing to be named top goalie, but that doesn't guarantee NHL success. Ortio has some great athleticism and his size is a plus, but the finer details of his game are pretty rough and unpolished.

Show some support, but don't take everything into account, and ALWAYS take everything with a grain of salt. I thought he was overall solid during the tourney, but at no time did I think he was the top goalie.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:34 AM

I have a real hard time believing that it's a bad thing to be a top goaltender in the world juniors. That goes for any other list that Dominek Hasek is on...

no one said it was a bad thing

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:51 AM

no one said it was a bad thing


Likewise, nobody said Jack Campbell wasn't the best goalie in the 2011 world juniors.

But, we were discussing the 2010 world juniors.

I'd still give it to Ortio, even though he didn't win the award.

Ortio just rescued Danny Taylor last night actually, and was by far the better goaltender of the two, on a night that the Heat looked very tired (end of back to back games).

Danny is having his best season ever, but he'll have to because Ortio will be gunning for that starting position in short order.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:50 PM

Likewise, nobody said Jack Campbell wasn't the best goalie in the 2011 world juniors.

But, we were discussing the 2010 world juniors.

I'd still give it to Ortio, even though he didn't win the award.

Ortio just rescued Danny Taylor last night actually, and was by far the better goaltender of the two, on a night that the Heat looked very tired (end of back to back games).

Danny is having his best season ever, but he'll have to because Ortio will be gunning for that starting position in short order.

i don't know why i thought it was last years

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:12 PM

i don't know why i thought it was last years


lol...i don't know why i started arguing with you before I read your post properly and realized you were talking about 2011...

oh well :)

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:05 AM

as per abbotsfordheat.com Ortio has been assigned to a Finnish team

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:57 AM

as per abbotsfordheat.com Ortio has been assigned to a Finnish team


It sounds like that was the plan before Irving got called up. Good to see. He will hopefully get some ice time.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 11:36 AM

Great news for Ortio.

Now I see why there's all the speculation about the Flames acquiring a goaltender.

Or, is Karlsson simply on the mend?

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:57 PM

Great news for Ortio.

Now I see why there's all the speculation about the Flames acquiring a goaltender.

Or, is Karlsson simply on the mend?

the only speculation on here about the flames and goaltending started with me, but it sounds like Karlsson may be close




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