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[DL44]

Thoughts?

I'm thinking the longer it goes into the offseason, the chances increase of his return...

I got thinking about his possible return when i didn't hear the hammer come down immediately the day after the season ended.

And then i flipped again when i heard that Feaster had delayed his public post mortum an extra day... i think this strongly suggests a bigger announcement than the usual off-season/look ahead speak...

So.. if no announcement on a firing is made tomorrow after a day delay... i think chances increase a significant amount he may come back.

SOOOOO... thoughts?

Any guesses on how it goes down? tonight before the press conference? tomorrow? after the playoffs? Or will he be given a chance to start another season?

And next to your prediction... what is your hope of what happens?

[Louis23]

No way in hell.

[rocketdoctor]

never be a fan of firing the coach for the sake of it. Keep him I think he learns from a season like this and should become a better coach for it. Besides I hear everyone making sounds he should go but noone suggesting a replacement? 3 Sutters to go perhaps we should try one of them

[Louis23]

I like Bob Boughner as a coach. We need a young coach like him...

[travel_dude]

Some of the playoff teams may fire their coach after a first round exit. I would prefer to wait for the fallout after the first three rounds to see if any decent coaches are available.

Feaster will need help deciding on a replacement for Butter, assuming he is done. The replacement will probably determine the type of team we will have for the next two years.

[The_People1]

There are many things i think the Flames "should" do but then they have a mind of their own. I would personally not want Brent back but i also wanted a full rebuild 2 years ago. So, for all we know, Brent could likely come back for one more season.

Reasons for keeping him:
He gets a lot out of guys like Horak, Desbien, Aliu, Kolanos, Bouma, Baertschi, and Jones.

Reasons for losing him:
He doesn't get enough out of guys like Bouwmeester, Backlund, Stajan, Kostopolous, and Comeau.

[The_People1]

Some of the playoff teams may fire their coach after a first round exit. I would prefer to wait for the fallout after the first three rounds to see if any decent coaches are available.

The only guy who is on the hot seat is probably Todd McLellan for underachieving in the regular season. I can't see anyone else getting fired after a first round exit.

[DL44]

There are many things i think the Flames "should" do but then they have a mind of their own. I would personally not want Brent back but i also wanted a full rebuild 2 years ago. So, for all we know, Brent could likely come back for one more season.

Reasons for keeping him:
He gets a lot out of guys like Horak, Desbien, Aliu, Kolanos, Bouma, Baertschi, and Jones.

Reasons for losing him:
He doesn't get enough out of guys like Bouwmeester, Backlund, Stajan, Kostopolous, and Comeau.

Reasons for keeping him:
Guys like Horak, Desbien, Aliu, Kolanos, Bouma, Jones, Stajan, Kostopolous, and Comeau were playing roles on the Flames this yr.

i.e. It's my stance that this is clearly a personnel problem... and it's not even close in mind....

Feaster made a lot of moves re-working the roster in yr one... a lot more significant roster changes are yet to come... we'll see their direction there shortly...

I think if they go towards an even younger lineup... Sutter will be back, and we'll see Feaster reserve the 'fire my coach' decision for when he strongly feels the team underachieves relative to its total talent level. (which i don't think it did this yr)

The only guy who is on the hot seat is probably Todd McLellan for underachieving in the regular season. I can't see anyone else getting fired after a first round exit.

No AV love?

altho... that would be a one way ticket to Montreal.

[Flyerfan52]

Thoughts?



So.. if no announcement on a firing is made tomorrow after a day delay... i think chances increase a significant amount he may come back.

No need to fire him. His contract will run out & he's not renewed.
Neither side needs to call it fired.

A replacement can be signed. Feaster is probably deciding who would best fill the role now. Most of the desirable 1s can't be approached until after the playoffs (I'm expecting a current associate or assistant coach).
The non-renewal can be announced @ the same presser the hiring is.

[tachaudh]

I think Brent Sutter was brought in here for a number of reasons, and one of the biggest in my opinion (and this was made evident in the Keenan Fan960 interview) was to manage the situation between Phaneuf and the rest of the locker room. On the surface, it seemed like he was the perfect guy. After all, he had significant experience coaching young hockey players, and young talented hockey players at that. He also brought Phaneuf along the junior ranks. However, he failed miserably.

The larger issue is that when push came to shove, way more often then not, the Flames folded. You can say that the onus is on the players, fair enough, but there's also a responsibility on the part of the coaches to effectively prepare the team. And where there are glaring issues such as the ones we saw down the stretch in ALL THREE seasons Brent was here, you absolutely need to find ways to resolve them. He failed in doing that as well.

A person should have to earn their contract. And while I still think Brent Sutter is a good coach, given the three years he spent behind the Flames bench, I don't think he's earned the right to a renewal with this club. He did not achieve any of the organization's explicit and implicit objectives when he was hired. Sure, it's possible. The relationship between Feaster and Sutter seems fairly positive, but he doesn't deserve an extension based the results he has produced.

[403Loyalty]

Its up in the air due to the direction of the club. If we stay the course one more year due to lack of picks and just not a lot of money room keeping certain players and contracts, i can see brent resigned for one more year just because hands may be tied.

If its a full rebuild could = a new coach but also you could say another gamble of a one year contract for butter to see what he can do with a young cast.

If its what we all believe to be a partial rebuild Fa's coming off the books and injection of prospects rather than a ton of FA signings, maybe a deal for a big name to move out of town this would all equal to me new coach.

SO i say right now its 50/50 nothing out of the flames camp as of yet has shown what they are looking to do. Lets see what Feaster says tomorrow and come back to this.

[tachaudh]

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SO i say right now its 50/50 nothing out of the flames camp as of yet has shown what they are looking to do. Lets see what Feaster says tomorrow and come back to this.

I'd be surprised if Feaster says anything meaningful tomorrow with respect to the future of the team. I think it'll be a lot of lingo and verbiage. He's good at that.

[403Loyalty]

I'd be surprised if Feaster says anything meaningful tomorrow with respect to the future of the team. I think it'll be a lot of lingo and verbiage. He's good at that.

True but its the season ending speech, things can change from now till july 1st. But I also believe that with three season of missed playoffs and this is not the same city of 10 years ago that didnt care as much for the Flames. I believe he will say a bit of a direction they are looking to go in, not the same song of "well i was fooled twice but we did ok here and there and just need a few tweaks"

I think it will be a little more descriptive rather than cryptic

[ali-iggy]

if we are trying to convince parise to sign here then we might have to keep him if not bye bye butter

[FF12]

No chance. He might be a good coach with other teams but he's missed the playoffs 3 years in the row after the team made it to the playoffs 5 in a row. I mean 8th place is just a bare minimum. The team should be placing 6th place and up. As for new coach, Ron Wilson? Why not he was good in San Jose.

[tachaudh]

No chance. He might be a good coach with other teams but he's missed the playoffs 3 years in the row after the team made it to the playoffs 5 in a row. I mean 8th place is just a bare minimum. The team should be placing 6th place and up. As for new coach, Ron Wilson? Why not he was good in San Jose.

The man's an arrogant prick and a genuine piece of steaming excrement. I want no part of him in this organization.

[ReadyForTheCup]

Depends on the direction we head. I think it's hard to argue the fact that he is one of the best coaches out there for developing young players and getting the most out of young players. Maybe that's because they are still mold-able and eager and willing to learn from their coach? Who knows. But, he is really incredible with young players and always has been.

So, if the Flames head in a rebuild/youth direction, then I think Sutter is actually the perfect man for the job. If we decide to go one more year with the current core and see if we are in fact just one or two minor (major?) tweaks away from being a solid contender, then I wouldn't mind to see a different philosophy and system on the ice.

I for one would actually love to see what he could do with a team like Edmonton (I know we'll never have that, at least not for an incredibly long time, but still). Despite all his failures as a coach, he really is exceptional with younger players.

[Carty]

Sure he can return as a coach... Just not with the Flames...

Sure he is good at coaching kids, and maybe that is where he belongs... Back in Red Deer...

[andymo]

"There’s not much difference in how teams play, in structure, systems. It’s in the consistency. That’s the biggest thing over the three years ... trying to get everyone to understand that. It is about team. It has to be about team success. And those are things that have to be addressed with this team over the summer, moving forward. No question.’’ Flames Head Coach Brent Sutter

I don't know why reading this surprised me. Watching the Flames, this outlook is pretty evident. I was just hoping that being a layman, it was me that had totally overlooked the team's tactics and strategy and not the coach! In striving to work hard and work as a team, Sutter is striving for the bare minimum in pro sports. Every other team has to do this to compete. We need a coach with a more sophisticated approach. We need to present different challenges to different opponents in different situations. We need to make the opposing coach work harder on their gameplan. Yes, we need to be consistent in level of performance, but not in our approach to every game. Come on Feaster, take this opportunity to hire a coach who can freshen this team up and bring us along. Time to develop as a team and as an organisation...

[jetsbox]

If the flames dump some of our top guys, I believe he stays. On the other hand if we stay with the current core, he leaves.