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[Kulstad]

Linky-poo: http://www.fan960.co...413_111431_4092

Highlights from the interview:

• kipper masks problems of the team
• kipper and iggy should have been traded last year at the deadline (or this year)
• management is kidding themselves with this current squad
• Ollie needed to be traded at deadline
• Sarich and Hannan should have been traded
• Jarome "ultimate team guy and citizen for this city"
• Jarome should have been offered trade with guarantee to come back after cup win
• speaks "very little" to feaster
• "they just need to pull the trigger"
• "if you bring back Jokinen, moss, Tanguay, Kipper, and Iggy...have you really changed the make-up of the team? Probably not"

[Zirakzigil]

I thought he was right on a lot of accounts. The problem starts and ends with ownership, which it always has. If the Flames can get Parise, Suter or Wideman and a top 6 center (preferably a decent #1 guy) then they can do damage. However they will be lucky to get 1 of those parts let alone all 3.

[DirtyDeeds]

I thought he was right on a lot of accounts. The problem starts and ends with ownership, which it always has. If the Flames can get Parise, Suter or Wideman and a top 6 center (preferably a decent #1 guy) then they can do damage. However they will be lucky to get 1 of those parts let alone all 3.

With only 17mil to go around and only 15 players signed for next year, they won't be going after 3 big contracts as they can't afford to. This is where we agree but for different reasons. We would be lucky to sign 1 on your list and we won't be able to afford any others without trades.

Lanny was spot on with most of his comments. Kipper masks everything that is wrong with our franchise. Butter got the most from our substandard team and just about all coaches with 3 losing seasons without playoffs would get a similar result. He was right about the still "old and slow" and changes were needed 2 years ago too.

[MAC331]

Linky-poo: http://www.fan960.co...413_111431_4092

Highlights from the interview:

• kipper masks problems of the team
• kipper and iggy should have been traded last year at the deadline (or this year)
• management is kidding themselves with this current squad
• Ollie needed to be traded at deadline
• Sarich and Hannan should have been traded
• Jarome "ultimate team guy and citizen for this city"
• Jarome should have been offered trade with guarantee to come back after cup win
• speaks "very little" to feaster
• "they just need to pull the trigger"
• "if you bring back Jokinen, moss, Tanguay, Kipper, and Iggy...have you really changed the make-up of the team? Probably not"

I respect Lanny and what he is saying here. Two years ago was the time for change and now both Iginla and Kiprusoff are two years older. The Flames will be lucky to get much for them. I see us caught up in the Sutter era still and I would like to see the knife go even deeper than letting Brent go. The owners should usher King and Feaster out the door, there is more than meets the eye here.
As far as the team goes, we might as well build from the net out and for me this means keeping Kiprusoff until we are certain with his replacement. I think we have the opportunity to get better using talented young players with or without Iginla but our GM as to make quality deals. Iginla and Tanguay are still very talented players that could be very useful for a team in transition. Having said this if another team comes asking about any of Iginla, Tanguay, Bouwmeester or Stajan you better think strongly about making a good deal now.

[tincup1]

Lanny's spot on. That said, I don't think a rebuild is coming at least not yet. When the Flames increased ticket prices for next year, I think that spelled out more of the same. How do you raise ticket prices and go younger (and cheaper) at the same time ? I was hoping they would put a freeze on prices, then that would make a better case for rebuilding. I think this comes back to King always saying the Flames mandate is to contend every year. Sometimes, you've got to know when it's time and as Lanny said, it's past time.

With respect to King, I find it encouraging that he's been strangely silent this off season so far. I wonder if his role has been scaled back somewhat. Personally, I like what Feaster is doing and should be given full control on the hockey side of the organization. Let him do what needs to be done.

[Ring-a-ding-dong-dandy]

I take anything Lanny says anymore with a grain of salt, after he was passed up for the GM job when we hired Darryl he was pretty bitter and I don't think he gotten over it.

[cross16]

I take anything Lanny says anymore with a grain of salt, after he was passed up for the GM job when we hired Darryl he was pretty bitter and I don't think he gotten over it.

I agree and I also think Lanny honors some resentment towards the Flames, but for the most part I agree with what he is saying. I think the Flames have been kidding themselves especially after Feater admitted that last season he thought they were close so it's clear they have been kidding themselves. If that changes great, but we'll have to see. i completley agree with him that if Jbow, Kipper, Iginla, Tanguay, Jokinen etc are all back next year the Flames have missed the boat once again.

[Carty]

I take anything Lanny says anymore with a grain of salt, after he was passed up for the GM job when we hired Darryl he was pretty bitter and I don't think he gotten over it.

As much as I like Lanny, I was thinking the same thing... As a matter of fact I remember saying at the time that I thought Lanny should have got the job, and I have also often wondered what the team may have been like if Lanny had have become GM instead...

I also remember watching him walk back and forth on the walkway above the seats in the Dome during games, and thinking it was a matter of time before he became GM of the team...

I think it is quite possible Lanny is bitter about not getting a shot at the job, and I can't say I blame him...

[bosn111]

Doesn't Lanny still work for the Flames in a front office, marketing type job? Also in his interview he said he didn't want to be the GM he was happy with the work he was doing. I don't see or hear any bitterness but he is a smart, very knowledgeable hockey guy. What Lanny said was quite accurate. It is nothing that many people had not been saying going into the trade deadline. Trade Sarich and/or Hannan at the deadline because you would get something decent. Other things would have made sense as well butt that is basic hockey and business concepts. Value is higher for players when they are younger. Keeping basically the same team is very obviously not going to change anything. He stated things that were very obvious. The only even remotely controversial things anyone would argue about would be the need to trade Iginla and Kiprusoff and trading Jokinen at the deadline. Everything else is common sense.

[tachaudh]

Bitter? Perhaps, if he's a petulant, childish, and unreasonable individual - which he doesn't come off as. From what I know, Lanny was looking for a position in hockey ops before Craig Button was hired. Not one as GM. Although I could be wrong. But he left purely on his own accord.

Besides, if he really wanted a position in management, he'd probably have joined some other organization and tried to work his way up --> that may have been perceived as a sign of bitterness towards the Flames. He hasn't done that. I think we're all making some pretty lowbrow assumptions here.

[shaner8]

Feaster got the job because he will do what king and owners tell him to, where lanny wants to have complete control of the roster and such.

[tincup1]

Feaster got the job because he will do what king and owners tell him to, where lanny wants to have complete control of the roster and such.

Is it just me or are we not hearing much from King these days ? I suspect he's lost some power as far as hockey decisions go. I think Feaster has the courage to do a rebuild and I hope he's been given full reign.

[DirtyDeeds]

Lanny's spot on. That said, I don't think a rebuild is coming at least not yet. When the Flames increased ticket prices for next year, I think that spelled out more of the same. How do you raise ticket prices and go younger (and cheaper) at the same time ? I was hoping they would put a freeze on prices, then that would make a better case for rebuilding. I think this comes back to King always saying the Flames mandate is to contend every year. Sometimes, you've got to know when it's time and as Lanny said, it's past time.

With respect to King, I find it encouraging that he's been strangely silent this off season so far. I wonder if his role has been scaled back somewhat. Personally, I like what Feaster is doing and should be given full control on the hockey side of the organization. Let him do what needs to be done.

I wouldn't speculate anything about a hockey team because they raise ticket prices. The Oilers have raised their ticket prices every year for a number of years now while doing their scorched earth rebuild.

[MAC331]

I agree and I also think Lanny honors some resentment towards the Flames, but for the most part I agree with what he is saying. I think the Flames have been kidding themselves especially after Feater admitted that last season he thought they were close so it's clear they have been kidding themselves. If that changes great, but we'll have to see. i completley agree with him that if Jbow, Kipper, Iginla, Tanguay, Jokinen etc are all back next year the Flames have missed the boat once again.

Did you just decide to lump Bouwmeester in there on your own ? he hardly makes us old and slow. if anyone has not met Lanny they shouldn't comment, the guy is a class act and only wants whats best for the organization. He would be a good one to replace King but ownership won't, they use him as an Ambassador. Lanny simply pointed out the obvious moves most successful organization make as tough decision to keep moving their teams forward with top level talent. The Flame can make some trades using Iginla, Tanguay, Kiprusoff and Bouwmeester to try and salvage what value remains for them.

[cross16]

Did you just decide to lump Bouwmeester in there on your own ? he hardly makes us old and slow. if anyone has not met Lanny they shouldn't comment, the guy is a class act and only wants whats best for the organization.

Well consdier i made no such coment or suggestiong that Jbow was old and slow, yes I did put him in there. The problem is the mixture of this core not old and slow.

Yes, Lanny is a very class act without question but it's also been talked about for a while that he was quite upset at the Flames for not being given a personnel job when he felt he had earned one. Classy or not, you're going to be a bit upset about it. I mean let's also remember Lanny is also invovled in just about every ceremony the Flames do so it's not like we are suggesting he hates them or something.

[MAC331]

Well consdier i made no such coment or suggestiong that Jbow was old and slow, yes I did put him in there. The problem is the mixture of this core not old and slow.

Yes, Lanny is a very class act without question but it's also been talked about for a while that he was quite upset at the Flames for not being given a personnel job when he felt he had earned one. Classy or not, you're going to be a bit upset about it. I mean let's also remember Lanny is also invovled in just about every ceremony the Flames do so it's not like we are suggesting he hates them or something.

What you are saying is if the core goes so must Bouwmeester with his salary. I agree they might as well. Im not worried about Lanny within this organization and found his comments correct to a certain degree. The more important decision is about where to go from here. Ownership is here to stay and King is their man to bridge over to hockey operations. King seems set on having the Feaster and Conroy GM team remain which tells me they are likely discussing how to keep Iginla and make the team better. Should this be the case then I expect Kiprusoff will be staying as well. I would look for Feaster to unload or work what deals he can using Bouwmeester, Glencross, Tanguay and Stajan.

[Ring-a-ding-dong-dandy]

I wouldn't speculate anything about a hockey team because they raise ticket prices. The Oilers have raised their ticket prices every year for a number of years now while doing their scorched earth rebuild.

The old and slow comment is exactly why I think Lanny is still holding some ill will towards the organization. This team is not slow, not even a little and we are middle of the pack in average age. The only time this team looked slow was when they were sitting back on leads. Sure we had a couple slower guys in Sarich and Hannan, but this team is far far slow. In fact that was the one comment I kept hearing from my manager (a Canucks fan), "watermelon the Flames are fast". Sutter's sit back and wait approach killed the flow (and thus the speed) of the team.

[MAC331]

The old and slow comment is exactly why I think Lanny is still holding some ill will towards the organization. This team is not slow, not even a little and we are middle of the pack in average age. The only time this team looked slow was when they were sitting back on leads. Sure we had a couple slower guys in Sarich and Hannan, but this team is far far slow. In fact that was the one comment I kept hearing from my manager (a Canucks fan), "watermelon the Flames are fast". Sutter's sit back and wait approach killed the flow (and thus the speed) of the team.

There is some truth in what you say. Change of play required.

[Ring-a-ding-dong-dandy]

There is some truth in what you say. Change of play required.

there is alot of truth in it.

Look up and down the roster our slowest players to play for us this year are Sarich, Hannan, Kolanos and Nemisz. I don't think I would call anyone else that dressed for us slow and Nemisz and Hannan aren't that slow, Hannan is pretty average if you ask me and Nemisz has more of an awkward stride than he is a slow skater. I would even go as far as to say our team speed (when actually moving forward) is among the top 10 in the league

[Numbear]

there is alot of truth in it.

Look up and down the roster our slowest players to play for us this year are Sarich, Hannan, Kolanos and Nemisz. I don't think I would call anyone else that dressed for us slow and Nemisz and Hannan aren't that slow, Hannan is pretty average if you ask me and Nemisz has more of an awkward stride than he is a slow skater. I would even go as far as to say our team speed (when actually moving forward) is among the top 10 in the league

And using that speed would actually use Jbo properly

A player like raymond instead of Comeau would add to that easily.

Jokinen although not that slow, seems to slow things down with his magical drop passes and no look passes. Linemates seemed to slow down to see what he was going to do (ok...I'm just not a jokinen fan at all).

The one thing I agree with Lanny on is that Jokinen should shave went at deadline. he has no value now, and based on what Guastad got, he would have returned some good pieces (and in hindsight it would not have effected our last games in any way what so ever since he ran out of gas after deadline)