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Signed Offer Sheet: Ryan O'reilly


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#1 echoison

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:44 AM

A RFA in Colorado, young center at 21 putting up good numbers, think he could fill our #1C slot? Colorado has already made a couple signings in Duchene and Jones, think we might have a chance at signing him? Would you want him as our #1C?

#2 cmpdave

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 12:20 PM

I don't think so. I think on a winning team or a team that will have success you need something better then him as 1c (not saying we have that we have better in our system right now), however, would rather use the assets it would take to get him for 1 true 1c. I think he is a low 2c center and GREAT 3c

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:19 PM

Colorado has time to re-sign him. Duchene & Jones were bigger priorities so now they can turn their attention to re-upping O'Reilly.

#4 Flamefanintoronto

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

Seems time is running out for them? And apparently its not going too good in negotiations. Maybe we should try and jump on him?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

Wouldn't too many "natural centers" be better than attempting to convert wingers to centers?

According to CapGeek, his RFA qualifying offer is only $850,500. Now, it's almost guaranteed that COL will offer him much more than the bare minimum, but does the "no compensation" rule apply to what he's entitled to, or what he eventually signs at?

#6 Flamefanintoronto

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:02 PM

No idea but would love to see him wearing our colours. Hard worker on the ice.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Chances are players like OReilly and Benn end up with their respective clubs. And if they don't chances are the are traded for other young NHL proven players that Calgary doesnt have. That said, I think Calgary should be VERY interested in both.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:24 PM

Peter on Fan 960 says Ryan O'Reilly and Colorado are far apart on length of contract, not so much on money. Apparently he is a little peeved about it, as he is looking for 5+ years.

Not sure he would slot in as a #1C here though. He is full of energy, not overly on the big side and a decent 2way center.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

I don't think Riely is. Number one but he's a solid number two center. Doesn't have the footspeed to be a number one IMO. Trading for him would be a better way but I think you'd have to really overpay so probably not worth it for just a 2nd line center

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

He is a solid #2 center, not a top line guy. That said he would be the best the Flames have at that position. Most likely they would want someone like Gio straight up. Dont see them taking Bouwmeester because of his salary. Their need is for a top 3 defenseman though.

He is a solid #2 center, not a top line guy. That said he would be the best the Flames have at that position. Most likely they would want someone like Gio straight up. Dont see them taking Bouwmeester because of his salary. Their need is for a top 3 defenseman though.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:24 AM

looks like Oreily is looking for 3.5 - 4 million. Although it is highly unlikely to be done these 2 teams trade. What do you think of Calgary and Colorodo making this deal?

To Calgary
Statsny
O'Rieley's RFA rights
3 or 4 dman


To
Bowmeaster
Cervanka (of course when cleared to play)
Glencross or Stepniak
3rd rd pick (second if stepniak)

This solves problems for both teams but will leave Calgary weaker on defense but stronger on O. Colorodo strengthens D and has a little bit of risk in Cervanka due to no nhl experience.

I think that this would work well for both teams and would take the deal. Worth the risk for Calgary although Calgary does not have defensive depth if anyone is injured. Still would be beneficial for both sides. Dont see COlorodo wanting much with Stepniak but would def be considering the one with Glencross.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:29 AM

keep in mind cervanka's contract in actually dollars is far less than the cap hit listed as most are bonus'. If he hits all bonus' then he is worth plenty more that his max salary.

#13 Flamefanintoronto

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:12 AM

looks like Oreily is looking for 3.5 - 4 million. Although it is highly unlikely to be done these 2 teams trade. What do you think of Calgary and Colorodo making this deal?

To Calgary
Statsny
O'Rieley's RFA rights
3 or 4 dman


To
Bowmeaster
Cervanka (of course when cleared to play)
Glencross or Stepniak
3rd rd pick (second if stepniak)

This solves problems for both teams but will leave Calgary weaker on defense but stronger on O. Colorodo strengthens D and has a little bit of risk in Cervanka due to no nhl experience.

I think that this would work well for both teams and would take the deal. Worth the risk for Calgary although Calgary does not have defensive depth if anyone is injured. Still would be beneficial for both sides. Dont see COlorodo wanting much with Stepniak but would def be considering the one with Glencross.

I would definately do this deal. Keep glenx though. I like that kid lol.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:42 AM

looks like Oreily is looking for 3.5 - 4 million. Although it is highly unlikely to be done these 2 teams trade. What do you think of Calgary and Colorodo making this deal?

To Calgary
Statsny
O'Rieley's RFA rights
3 or 4 dman


To
Bowmeaster
Cervanka (of course when cleared to play)
Glencross or Stepniak
3rd rd pick (second if stepniak)

This solves problems for both teams but will leave Calgary weaker on defense but stronger on O. Colorodo strengthens D and has a little bit of risk in Cervanka due to no nhl experience.

I think that this would work well for both teams and would take the deal. Worth the risk for Calgary although Calgary does not have defensive depth if anyone is injured. Still would be beneficial for both sides. Dont see COlorodo wanting much with Stepniak but would def be considering the one with Glencross.


No chance Colorado does this deal. Give up two of their top 3 centers, not to mention the only 2 that actually had a good year last year, and get a center back who has never played in the NHL?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun: There has been talk that the Avalanche are calling around to see what they could get for center Ryan O’Reilly. The asking is a young forward and a 2nd round pick.

Thoughts? What about Byron? Butler (thought they needed a D)?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun: There has been talk that the Avalanche are calling around to see what they could get for center Ryan O’Reilly. The asking is a young forward and a 2nd round pick.

Thoughts? What about Byron? Butler (thought they needed a D)?

We dont have a 2nd round pick, they are wanting a young forward with potential and this is Garrioch who is an idiot. O'Rielly is rumoured to be wanting 5mil, something he isnt worth, especially with the cap coming down.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:40 AM

We dont have a 2nd round pick, they are wanting a young forward with potential and this is Garrioch who is an idiot. O'Rielly is rumoured to be wanting 5mil, something he isnt worth, especially with the cap coming down.

I wouldn't give up the pick even if we had it, hence my suggestion of the two players. Yes, I know Garrioch likes to stir the proverbial bs stew, but hopefully there is at least some truth to colorado exploring a trade regardless of what Garrioch's assumed return would be.

I agree that the O'reilly camp is being foolish if they think he warrants a $5mil paycheck. They'll figure it out eventually.

#18 kehatch

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:16 AM

If O'Reilly is truly available Calgary has to be interested. We can call him a 2C all we want. Or say he isn't worth 4-5 million. Etc. But given where Calgary is we don't have better options.

To me it doesn't come down to fit. I think he would fit in very well. It comes down to cost to acquire him.

If Colorado really wants a prospect + 2-round pick we are out of luck. We don't have a second and I am not sure I like O'Reilly enough to give up Baertschi, Gaudreau, Brodie, or Jankowski. Those are probably the only prospects we have of the caliber needed.

But if they were flexible there were options. They won't take high priced talent like Bouwmeester or Cammalleri. But how about:

Tanguay

The return of Tanguay to where he started? Replaces O'Reilly's contract. Has been playing C in Calgary or can be a playmaking winger with one of their big Cs.

Backlund, 3-round pick

Backlund looks like he might just be breaking out. He can play wing or C. Might be a decent replacement for O'Reilly. Still an RFA.

Butler, Horak

This might be a bit of a stretch because I don't think Horak has much value outside of Calgary. But he is an NHL ready prospect that can play wing or C. Butler is a value contract D that can help Colorado right away.

Granlund, Wotherspoon, 3-round

I am not sure that this is the caliber of prospects they need to make a deal get done. I am guessing not. But if they are sold on getting prospects and picks this is an option.

1-round, 3-round

This is the offer sheet route. I really wouldn't want to go into next season with no picks in the first 90. But if we have O'Reilly we can offload a couple of players to recoup some picks.

#19 s4xon

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

If O'Reilly is truly available Calgary has to be interested. We can call him a 2C all we want. Or say he isn't worth 4-5 million. Etc. But given where Calgary is we don't have better options.

To me it doesn't come down to fit. I think he would fit in very well. It comes down to cost to acquire him.

If Colorado really wants a prospect + 2-round pick we are out of luck. We don't have a second and I am not sure I like O'Reilly enough to give up Baertschi, Gaudreau, Brodie, or Jankowski. Those are probably the only prospects we have of the caliber needed.

But if they were flexible there were options. They won't take high priced talent like Bouwmeester or Cammalleri. But how about:

Tanguay

The return of Tanguay to where he started? Replaces O'Reilly's contract. Has been playing C in Calgary or can be a playmaking winger with one of their big Cs.

Backlund, 3-round pick

Backlund looks like he might just be breaking out. He can play wing or C. Might be a decent replacement for O'Reilly. Still an RFA.

Butler, Horak

This might be a bit of a stretch because I don't think Horak has much value outside of Calgary. But he is an NHL ready prospect that can play wing or C. Butler is a value contract D that can help Colorado right away.

Granlund, Wotherspoon, 3-round

I am not sure that this is the caliber of prospects they need to make a deal get done. I am guessing not. But if they are sold on getting prospects and picks this is an option.

1-round, 3-round

This is the offer sheet route. I really wouldn't want to go into next season with no picks in the first 90. But if we have O'Reilly we can offload a couple of players to recoup some picks.

I'd really prefer to leave the picks of the table. I'm sure management and most fans would agree to leave that area alone for a while. Even with later picks. The Flames snagged a gem in Gilles in the 3rd and Gaudreau in the 4th round. Dutter had his hands in the pick pot too much and left us with an unusable 5 year plan, and there are still some remnants of his poor dealing left.

The Flames have a plethora of prospects that could be used for trade bait. We have a few goalies with a large upside. Ortio and/or Brossoit could reap some nice rewards. Even the likes of Irving if need be. Players like Horak, Reinhart, Byron, and Arnold could be for the taking.

As for D, the Flames need to and should spend the time developing Wotherspoon. Brodie seems to be our best D prospect turned pro, and I would love to see a 2.0 in the making with him.

#20 kehatch

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

Tanguay for O'Reilly is starting to make a lot of sense to me. (And he wasn't in practice today - reported as a maintenance day).

For Calgary we have too many players on the LW. To the point that we converted Tanguay to a C and put Baertschi on the fourth line. We need a top 6C. Even more now with Cervenka on the LW. O'Reilly gives us face offs, a bit of size down the middle, and he gives us the defensive specialist we need. He also fits right in the age bracket we are looking for.

For Colorado they are going to have a tough time justifying 4.5 million for a C when they already have Stastney and Duchene. Tanguay won a cup and played six seasons for Colorado. They don't really need more picks or prospects. They need to get in the playoffs, and Tanguay makes them better. Plus, Tanguay's contract is right in their price point.

In terms of value, O'Reilly was a 2-round pick and only has one strong season behind him. He is an unsigned RFA so that reduces his value. Tanguay is coming off of two .8 PPG seasons which is in line with his career production. He is doing well to start this season.

Makes sense to me for both clubs.