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New Arena In The Future?

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I wonder if anyone has heard anything about us getting a new arena?

The current lease agreement expires in 2014. The last I heard was they were planning on building a new building.

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My guess is that they're still in the development stages....nothing is set in stone. It hasn't even gotten out of the boardrooms even though I know Ken King really wants it to go through.

There are still a lot of details yet to be put together (like location) before we'll hear any legitimate talk about the arena. My guess is that any news will show up in 2013-14.

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The current lease agreement expires in 2014. The last I heard was they were planning on building a new building.

There is a zero percent chance that a new rink will be built by 2014, and King recently said in the Herald (I think it was) that he can renew the Dome as long as he needs.

I don't think there is any rush. The owners will continue to milk every drop of profit out of the fans before they are forced to fork out the cash for a new ice sheet. Yes, they'd have higher profits with a 21st cenutry building, but without the taxpayers paying for their new digs, it's a big upfront investment.

I did hear a rumour that they may be considering some kind of combo hockey/football facility now that they own the Stampeders. I've never heard of such a concept, and it would be a weird building to design to say the least.

In any case, the Dome is becoming a dump, especially after seeing first hand some of the amazing facilities that are being built now. We need a new building. But don't hold your breath.

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There is a zero percent chance that a new rink will be built by 2014, and King recently said in the Herald (I think it was) that he can renew the Dome as long as he needs.

I don't think there is any rush. The owners will continue to milk every drop of profit out of the fans before they are forced to fork out the cash for a new ice sheet. Yes, they'd have higher profits with a 21st cenutry building, but without the taxpayers paying for their new digs, it's a big upfront investment.

I did hear a rumour that they may be considering some kind of combo hockey/football facility now that they own the Stampeders. I've never heard of such a concept, and it would be a weird building to design to say the least.

In any case, the Dome is becoming a dump, especially after seeing first hand some of the amazing facilities that are being built now. We need a new building. But don't hold your breath.

This surprises me a bit. Last I heard was the Flames were along about the same in the development as the Oilers when the Oilers were about to negotiate with the Provincial & Civic Governments. If what you say is correct geos, we haven't progressed very far from that status, since then.

On a side note they Flames should be able to expect a similar participation from the Provincial &/or Civic Governments as the Oilers got get. I don't think they will be going it totally alone.

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This surprises me a bit. Last I heard was the Flames were along about the same in the development as the Oilers when the Oilers were about to negotiate with the Provincial & Civic Governments. If what you say is correct geos, we haven't progressed very far from that status, since then.

On a side note they Flames should be able to expect a similar participation from the Provincial &/or Civic Governments as the Oilers got get. I don't think they will be going it totally alone.

I agree the government of Alberta wouldn't choose favorites with the Oilers and resort to only give them a helping hand. The City of Calgary and the Flames should expect the same thing.

I remember the live feed from the Flames Forum at Flames Central where King explained they should have a new arena by 2014. Obviously not going to happen in 2 years time, as they haven't even struck dirt yet (There hasn't been a golden shovel ceremony with King and the Owners in glistening white hard hats plastered all over the front page of the Herald and CalgaryFlames.com).

This is also the exact same forum where Feaster personally guaranteed the playoffs. I didn't and still don't take much from that Forum.

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This surprises me a bit. Last I heard was the Flames were along about the same in the development as the Oilers when the Oilers were about to negotiate with the Provincial & Civic Governments. If what you say is correct geos, we haven't progressed very far from that status, since then.

On a side note they Flames should be able to expect a similar participation from the Provincial &/or Civic Governments as the Oilers got get. I don't think they will be going it totally alone.

And that is likely to be true or true enough.

But public financing is only one of the issues. I think what is keeping them quiet for now is that the location is still up in the air - there is some talk taht the Flames would rather not be in bed with the Stampede.

When you are looking at several locations, the last thing you want to do is state publicly what locations are being considered (unless you already own the land)

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On a side note they Flames should be able to expect a similar participation from the Provincial &/or Civic Governments as the Oilers got get. I don't think they will be going it totally alone.

The time frame could also be the result of the Province of Alberta saying "wait in line", as the financial undertaking of 2 Pro Sports arenas could be a huge strain on the tax payers and the governments pocketbooks.

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The time frame could also be the result of the Province of Alberta saying "wait in line", as the financial undertaking of 2 Pro Sports arenas could be a huge strain on the tax payers and the governments pocketbooks.

I don't think(could be wrong) that the Provincial Government has committed any money for the Oilers new rink yet. I know I read something about the wildrose party saying no they wouldn't be putting any money into theirs but that was before the election. Maybe someone from the Oilers end could enlighten us on if and how much the Provincial Government has committed.

I know I read the Civic government and there is some type of lotto thing and a surcharge on tickets in place on the Edmonton arena.

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there is some talk taht the Flames would rather not be in bed with the Stampede.

Correct. And the fact that the Flames and Stamps are together is creating some rumours of a combo facility located on the west end of downtown or close to the UofC.

I still have no idea how a combo football/hockey facility could possibly work, but whatever, I'm not an architect.

I don't think(could be wrong) that the Provincial Government has committed any money for the Oilers new rink yet.

Also correct.

I know I read the Civic government and there is some type of lotto thing and a surcharge on tickets in place on the Edmonton arena.

Again, correct. I believe there are some "revitalization" funds involved indirectly from the city and there is a ticket surcharge involved.

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The Oilers are getting zero help from the provincal and federal governments. The entire project in Edmonton is being funded by Katz and the city.

The Oilers are taking all the pioneering costs on for the Flames for their future efforts to build a new arena.

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i don't understand why monuments like maple leaf gardens, MSG, the forum, etc. could remain in service for 60 or 70 years, while these days everyone thinks a 20 something year old arena is too old... i really liked the old buildings... they had character... these new arenas seem really sterile to me... bright... like a hospital... no character... sure they have all the latest amenities... but really, the extra luxury boxes and VIP lounges don't really make the experience any better for the average hockey fan.... we're still lining up for crappy beer and then peeing it out in the stinky urinals...

why can't we just leave the saddledome up for a few more decades so that we can tell our grandkids stories from the old saddledome?

"you know johnny... i remember the 80s, then they built the saddledome!"

let's give our buildings time to acquire character and traditions... let us build legends around our arenas... we can't very well do that by knocking them down every 20 years...

ps. i'm not from calgary... the saddledome might very well be falling apart... in that case replace it... but otherwise, if it ain't broke, why fix it?

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I don't think(could be wrong) that the Provincial Government has committed any money for the Oilers new rink yet. I know I read something about the wildrose party saying no they wouldn't be putting any money into theirs but that was before the election. Maybe someone from the Oilers end could enlighten us on if and how much the Provincial Government has committed.

I know I read the Civic government and there is some type of lotto thing and a surcharge on tickets in place on the Edmonton arena.

The taxing aspect is somewhat of an expectation I get from family and friends that live in Edmonton and Calgary. I agree there hasn't been any schedule drawn up as far as taxation, or allocation of funds by the Alberta government.

I wonder if there will be any sort of "entertainment" tax to local businesses surrounding the new Edmonton Arena, seeing as it will be the main reason driving the rise in their gross margins. A very far from parallel assessment is Disneyland. The local hotels and restaurants around the perimeter are taxed because of the amount of tourism business accumulated by the Disney name. Whether this is because Disney owns the land surrounding the area, or if it is because the City of Anaheim brought this into legislation is my guess.

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The Oilers are taking all the pioneering costs on for the Flames for their future efforts to build a new arena.

Once again, its about the Oilers. By this intuition, the Flames took all the pioneering costs for the Oilers by building the Saddle Dome, you know, because its newer...

Anything the Flames Organization decides as far as a new building has nothing to do with your favorite club.

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ps. i'm not from calgary... the saddledome might very well be falling apart... in that case replace it... but otherwise, if it ain't broke, why fix it?

Because I'm getting tired of waiting 25 minutes to take a piss and eating from a poor selection of concessions in a jam packed and crowded concourse. The Dome just isn't up to current standards.

I saw a game in Minnesota a couple years ago. It was like night and day compared to the Dome. I'd be happy to fork out my $300 a night x 41 nights to see the Flames play in a building like that, where fans can be comfortable.

The other element is that many concerts can't come to Calgary because the roof at the Dome can't support new stage setups.

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Once again, its about the Oilers. Anything the Flames Organization chooses to do has nothing to do with your favorite club.

Actually, in this case it does. The provincial government would take a lot of heat if they bypassed one team for another. You cannot show favoritism in this case; if you help one, you better help the other. That's why the government is keeping out of it.

It'd be one thing if the Canucks came to BC for help; they're the only team in that province. Alberta has two teams, which means our government either pays double or nothing. In this case they figured it wasn't worth dishing out twice the amount of cash so they're choosing to let the teams help themselves. Which is unfortunate because unlike Edmonton our owners don't have a net worth of 2.3 billion in Canadian dollars. Our owners are a group of mildly wealthy businessmen and while they're still millionaires, the resources available are much less than that of Edmonton's.

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Actually, in this case it does. The provincial government would take a lot of heat if they bypassed one team for another. You cannot show favoritism in this case; if you help one, you better help the other. That's why the government is keeping out of it.

It'd be one thing if the Canucks came to BC for help; they're the only team in that province. Alberta has two teams, which means our government either pays double or nothing. In this case they figured it wasn't worth dishing out twice the amount of cash so they're choosing to let the teams help themselves. Which is unfortunate because unlike Edmonton our owners don't have a net worth of 2.3 billion in Canadian dollars. Our owners are a group of mildly wealthy businessmen and while they're still millionaires, the resources available are much less than that of Edmonton's.

Explain to me how Edmonton is accruing the pioneering costs of Calgary's interest in building a new arena?

In earlier posts, I and others had mentioned that the Government of Alberta cannot choose favorites between the two cities, so you repeated the same statement. As for the rest, the net worth of the 2 ownership groups is irrelevant to how one Club takes on the pioneering costs of another in building a new arena.

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When they eventually TNT the Saddledome. And it's all rubble. What "souviners" would you want? I ask because like a while ago, they blew up the General Hospital and people were salvaging bricks and stuff for souviners. Would such artifcats be placed in a shrine of honor in your Flames man cave? Will the brass gut the dome, ie (for instance take the "golden" Flaming C decals. post them in the Wall of Flames Central..., perhaps gut the chairs in the box seatss for the new box.

I think they should, like for long term Calgarians, those who has live here all their lives witnessed the 89 cup, having a tiny charred piece or a few bricks or something would look good in their man caves. Maybe a piece of the Dome itself. When it comes crashing down in a pile of (say what is the dome made out of???? some kind of fabric?).

Most likely they should blast the big 4 building (the casino move across the street didn't it?, so that building is obsolete. Or perhaps some of the older buildings on the Stampeed grounds Perhaps build undergroudn parking, as the parking lots would free up space (which would make the Midway for the STampeed smaller though). Yea just trash the big 4 building. Like this location is good, it's easy to get to.

Or perhaps make it a multi sport facility for the Stamps, and Flames as an article suggested....

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Explain to me how Edmonton is accruing the pioneering costs of Calgary's interest in building a new arena?

My statement wasn't related to that, it was to the fact that you took offense to the claim that Edmonton had nothing to do with our situation, which, as you pointed out, does.

I don't know what the hell Connor means by "pioneering costs" so I just chose to let it slide.

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Explain to me how Edmonton is accruing the pioneering costs of Calgary's interest in building a new arena?

In earlier posts, I and others had mentioned that the Government of Alberta cannot choose favorites between the two cities, so you repeated the same statement. As for the rest, the net worth of the 2 ownership groups is irrelevant to how one Club takes on the pioneering costs of another in building a new arena.

>>> Why not just use the fund from the Lottos sizable grant with 50-50% going to Edmonton and Calgary.

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My statement wasn't related to that, it was to the fact that you took offense to the claim that Edmonton had nothing to do with our situation, which, as you pointed out, does.

I don't know what the hell Connor means by "pioneering costs" so I just chose to let it slide.

Your quote from above is different from mine. "..as far as a new building" is missing. I was still editing, I think our arguement is lost in translation.

As for Connor, I don't know either. But that was the basis of my statement. :lol:

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Or perhaps make it a multi sport facility for the Stamps, and Flames as an article suggested....

Does a football/hockey arena exist anywhere in the world? Is this even possible?

I know its been suggested, but I'm struggling to understand this the more I think about it.

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Does a football/hockey arena exist anywhere in the world? Is this even possible?

I know its been suggested, but I'm struggling to understand this the more I think about it.

I think it would be as odd as watching the Winter Classic at a baseball stadium :lol:

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I think it would be as odd as watching the Winter Classic at a baseball stadium :lol:

No kidding. Unless you had some adjustable floor and amazing movable seat system... no idea how that'd work.

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Does a football/hockey arena exist anywhere in the world? Is this even possible?

I know its been suggested, but I'm struggling to understand this the more I think about it.

Arena football all over the states. I know that is not what you meant/wanted to hear but it is a correct answer.

No the Stamps aren't going to change over to AFL Arena Football Lleague that I know of for those who would ask.

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