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Invin

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So I was over on TSN.ca reading Bob McKenzie's write up on the Flames for this year, and I noticed just about every reader comment (not the article itself) was ripping the team, management, saying the Flames have zero chance of making the playoffs, tear it down, etc. etc.

The funny part is, these people praise other teams' management and rosters despite the fact the Flames continue to finish well ahead of those teams in the standings. When we sign good free agents, develop young players (Baertschi especially), and Iggy and Kipper continue to put up good numbers, it just goes in one ear and out the other for these people. No matter what we do, they will always be convinced the Flames are old and hopeless and going nowhere, because that's largely been the narrative in the media.

Am I just biased, or do you guys notice a lot of people like this too? I'm not trying to start a "rebuild vs. no rebuild" thread, just asking if there's a bit of anti-Flames bias in general out there, where people twist reality to fit the narrative. It seems like people only approve of teams that are either tanking for picks or at the top, of which we are neither.

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Honestly I read those same comments and thought the exact same thing.

Toronto and Edmonton fans who applaud their own management's moves tear down the Flames. It's incredible how most commenters look over the facts that you stated above about kipper and iggy.

Toronto fans for god sake.

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A classic example of an oblivious comment is the 'old and slow' argument.

The Flames have gotten younger in each of the last three years and this year will be middle of the pack even if there are no surprise young guys making the team (other than Baertschi and Brodie).

By next year, the Flames will likely be among the youngest teams.

As for speed, look at the changes the Flames have made from the beginning of last year...

out:

Morrison

Jokinen

Moss

Kostopolous

Bourque

Hagman

Hannan

and added:

Cammalleri

Hudler

Cervenka

Comeau

Baertschi

Brodie

Wideman

Jones

not only have they gotten younger, but they are WAY faster

but why let facts get in the way of a good opinion

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Great thread. I continue to think about that myself. I avoid looking at TSN comments because of it.

C_worthy, you are absolutely bang on. Look at that list of changes.

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Toronto and Vancouver. No one else in Canada matters, we're the whipping boys for now.

What a relief that opinions don't win hockey games and are generally wrong more often than not, regardless of source!!

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Funny how people cling to what they perceive to be from times long past.

Edmonton used to be the young speedy and small team..... Not any more

Calgary used to be the Old, slow and big team...... Not any more

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As you can see above the Oilers are taller. The Flames who just 2 years ago were pushing the 32yeears old avg have dropped substantially. In fact when we injected all the youth last year due to injuries the avg age dropped to around 29 yrs old.

We all saw the team speed increase we had last year, at least I hope you noticed it. We should be a tad faster again this year.

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You are definitely not alone. It is the easy and popular thing to do now to bash the Flames. Even Iggy aknowledged it last year I believe it was. I remember him saying something about how the players recognized that the Flames fans and the team were enduring alot of ridicule. Am I remembering this correctly?

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Ah good, so I'm not (totally) biased/crazy!

I guess it's just easier for people to parrot what they heard the "experts" say in the past few years than to actually look at the changes.

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Ive been noticing this trend for sometime now, I think it has more to do with the rivalries between the Flames and the Oilers/Canucks then it does anything else. We have met both teams in the playoffs more they they have played each other, both city's have a strong hate on for us and quite frankly Im flattered and not about to give either fan base the joy of getting under my skin.

As far as Toronto goes, those haters are just trying to take some heat off of there own team and so they drag down anything thats not blue and white!

GO FLAMES GO!!!

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With not having read any of these comments your referring too, I wouldn't get to upset about them. I would believe that most NHL articles on TSN will probably be riddled with Leafs fans points of view. And in most general cases that type of fan has no knowledge outside of their own team that they follow. Any knowledge typically comes from what experience/memory they have following the team (Flames) during a playoff run when their team is out of it. It's been since 04 since the Flames have had any significant time in the post season so that's where most of the out dated knowledge is coming from.

What is more upsetting to me is that I must sit through long drawn out repetitive segments on the Leafs and Habs just to see quick tidbits about the Jets and Flames and the rest of the league.

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I pay little attn to the comment section of TSN articles. The moderators IMO are biased. Besides I follow Mackenzie, Dregger and LeBrun on twitter and get all the info I need that way. Very seldom will I go to the TSN website otherwise.

In regards to the comments themselves, everyone is entitled to an opinion even if its misinformed. That's what makes this game exciting for fans. Remember, you being upset over comments made about your favourite team only shows how much you care for that team.

This is why I prefer forums like this one. The debates with fans of other teams and the disagrrements

Between fans of the same team.

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The Flames are bucking the "popular" trend. Most "fans" see that I'd a team isn't successful than the best way to do so is rebuild and sell assets. The Flames have gone in their own direction nd thus bucked the trend and for the masses of so called "fans" and "experts" that's not right. Only way the Flames are going to get respect is to either win or rebuild, but respect doesn't win you games so it really doesn't matter.

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Very true! But something that I also noticed is that Cslgary doesn't get put out there. Sites like Nhl.com rarely put up stories about Calgary win or loss. Channels like Espn never put up highlights of Calgary games or even the scores. And even Dipietro and the Ilses get more love.

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Ahhh thank god you all share the same opinion as me. I was worried for a bit there by looking at those comments that my hockey sense was way off and that i was just biased to thinking the flames were starting to put together a decent team. Good to know im not alone in thinking this! [MOD EDIT] the haters!

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Changing the head coach changes a lot. We don't know what Hartley will do with what he has been given. He hasn't been given a whole lot but sometimes it's what the coach can make out of what he's got. There's enough on the team to get into the playoffs and there's enough to finish bottom 4 in the league.

It's hard to predict due to what we think is an entirely new system of play.

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If you're not doing the same thing as everything else, you're f***ing insane and completely batnavajo fry bread stupid. Trust me, I recently went through 12 years of standard schooling, so I know how it works :P. And I'm used to it.

Do I feel bothered that fools think we're idiots? Not really. It'd be one thing if they could actually make an intelligent observation and back up their claims, but when it's just a parrot you might as well just let it squawk.

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Nice OP and I often wonder and argue with my friends about the very same thing.

I just shrug and and when the media is shocked by how far we've come I will laugh. When they can't pronounce Cervenka or keep up to date with his injury accurately, never mind the 'old and slow' stigma is not only tired but way off mark especially with what I think we can expect under Hartley.

I have my worries just like everyone else but I estatic hockey will be played soon and was avoiding message boards because this lockout damn near put me into a depression already without recycling rumors, talking the 'key' issues to death and arguing which retarded side deserves what.

It's great to be back, I look forward to the season and discussing stuff with you guys, and can't wait to watch our boys make playoffs!

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It's great to be back, I look forward to the season and discussing stuff with you guys, and can't wait to watch our boys make playoffs!

Giving us the 'ol Feaster guarantee eh? ;)

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Hahaha ya. I have decided to buy into the all or nothing mentality. I really wish I had some say or influence in it, however I think being an optimistic armchair GM is fun too!

Realistically possible.... 5th place finish.:-) Possible though probably not any higher than 7th.

Kool aid anyone;)

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Well all this hate literature are the byproduct of ignorant "haters". It's what the DO, otherwise they wouldn't be Haters. Just don't sink to their level. Flamers (yes I will use that term), are of higher caliber.

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So I was over on TSN.ca reading Bob McKenzie's write up on the Flames for this year, and I noticed just about every reader comment (not the article itself) was ripping the team, management, saying the Flames have zero chance of making the playoffs, tear it down, etc. etc.

The funny part is, these people praise other teams' management and rosters despite the fact the Flames continue to finish well ahead of those teams in the standings. When we sign good free agents, develop young players (Baertschi especially), and Iggy and Kipper continue to put up good numbers, it just goes in one ear and out the other for these people. No matter what we do, they will always be convinced the Flames are old and hopeless and going nowhere, because that's largely been the narrative in the media.

Am I just biased, or do you guys notice a lot of people like this too? I'm not trying to start a "rebuild vs. no rebuild" thread, just asking if there's a bit of anti-Flames bias in general out there, where people twist reality to fit the narrative. It seems like people only approve of teams that are either tanking for picks or at the top, of which we are neither.

Sorry Man.

Both the Leafs and Edmonton will do better than the Flames this year...........

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Sorry Man.

Both the Leafs and Edmonton will do better than the Flames this year...........

Really? I'd like to know what your basing this assumption under. Edmonton is gonna magically jump from the bottom of the league just because they got ANOTHER #1 pick? Because thats really worked for them in the past, hasn't it? As for the leafs, (as far as i know) they made one offseason change - trading Luke Schenn for JVR. I wouldn't say that necessarily upgrades them. Makes them stronger on O but weaker on D, which really doesn't matter if you have a good tender. But they don't. Add to the fact that it now looks like they are going to be massively overpaying for lu anddddd i wouldn't say they look too hot.

Compare this team to the Flames who added: Cervenka, Hudler, and Wideman in the offseason, plus have a potential rookie of the year who scored 3 times in his first 5 NHL games in baertschi coming up, and have a full season with cammalleri who put up huge points the last full season he played with iggy... Add all of this to the new system that is going to be implemented by a proven head coach who wants to play a style of game that compliments the more fast paced skill that has been brought in, and i really don't see how you can back up your statement.

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Really? I'd like to know what your basing this assumption under. Edmonton is gonna magically jump from the bottom of the league just because they got ANOTHER #1 pick? Because thats really worked for them in the past, hasn't it? As for the leafs, (as far as i know) they made one offseason change - trading Luke Schenn for JVR. I wouldn't say that necessarily upgrades them. Makes them stronger on O but weaker on D, which really doesn't matter if you have a good tender. But they don't. Add to the fact that it now looks like they are going to be massively overpaying for lu anddddd i wouldn't say they look too hot.

Compare this team to the Flames who added: Cervenka, Hudler, and Wideman in the offseason, plus have a potential rookie of the year who scored 3 times in his first 5 NHL games in baertschi coming up, and have a full season with cammalleri who put up huge points the last full season he played with iggy... Add all of this to the new system that is going to be implemented by a proven head coach who wants to play a style of game that compliments the more fast paced skill that has been brought in, and i really don't see how you can back up your statement.

nailed it, been telling everyone exactly this. Stubborn fans, almost as dumb as that last Bodog list for NHL odds.

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Really? I'd like to know what your basing this assumption under. Edmonton is gonna magically jump from the bottom of the league just because they got ANOTHER #1 pick? Because thats really worked for them in the past, hasn't it? As for the leafs, (as far as i know) they made one offseason change - trading Luke Schenn for JVR. I wouldn't say that necessarily upgrades them. Makes them stronger on O but weaker on D, which really doesn't matter if you have a good tender. But they don't. Add to the fact that it now looks like they are going to be massively overpaying for lu anddddd i wouldn't say they look too hot.

Compare this team to the Flames who added: Cervenka, Hudler, and Wideman in the offseason, plus have a potential rookie of the year who scored 3 times in his first 5 NHL games in baertschi coming up, and have a full season with cammalleri who put up huge points the last full season he played with iggy... Add all of this to the new system that is going to be implemented by a proven head coach who wants to play a style of game that compliments the more fast paced skill that has been brought in, and i really don't see how you can back up your statement.

Factors for this year with the Oilers go beyond one extra #1 draft choice ... Yakapov + Justin Schultz + large percentage of players actively playing during lockout + shorter season + young guns (Eberle, RNH, Hall) one year older. Still have some challenges but should start seeing some more consistency.

I think Edmonton and Calgary will finish close to one another. Flames would still benefit from some younger legs but have made some good changes (as you listed) and are far from dead yet. Toronto ... yea, they're looking pretty weak.

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