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CERVENKA, ROMAN 3-3 / 100%

BACKLUND, MIKAEL 1-6 / 17%

IGINLA, JAROME 10-13 / 77%

CAMMALLERI, MIKE 2-5 / 40%

STAJAN, MATT 7-14 / 50%

JONES, BLAIR 5-8 / 63%

GLENCROSS, CURTIS 1-1 / 100%

HUDLER, JIRI 0-1 / 0%

TANGUAY, ALEX 6-9 / 67%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

My faceoff trophy of the Night goes to:

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Jarome Iginla - 10 of 13 faceoffs won.

Honorable mention goes to Roman Cervenka - 3 of 3 Faceoffs won *lets keep an eagle eye on him*

And the faceoff performance that deserves to be flushed:

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Mikael Backlund - 1 of 6 for 17% makes for a tough night in the circle.

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Thanks for creating this thread! Please keep it up. I often spend a lot of time during a game paying close attention to the draws. Was very frustrating last year to see them do so poorly in the dot. Coming into the season I didn't see much opportunity for improvement seeing as there were not many changes down the middle. Good to see Hartley and crew experimenting with different guys and having some success!

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Vancouver - usually near the top of the league - has just one C on the positive side of ledger on the dot. Their 4th liner. Brutal start in this category. But this thread isn't about them is it..

Calgary's top faceoff guys to date...

Stajan - 34-33, 50.7%

Iginla - 24-26, 48.0%

Tanguay - 21-25, 45.7%

Backlund - 15-22, 40.5%

....

Jones - 10-7, 58.8%

Cammy - 6-9, 40%

Stajan has taken over for Jokinen as the team's workhorse in the faceoff circle. Which is a good thing since he was the best on the team last yr on %... and that proficiency level has so far carried over to this year.

He's carried the team out of the league basement in the category so far.. they are 23rd presently...

5 teams on their heals within a single %.. but still a strong start to the season relative to the last few seasons.

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Vancouver - usually near the top of the league - has just one C on the positive side of ledger on the dot. Their 4th liner. Brutal start in this category. But this thread isn't about them is it..

Calgary's top faceoff guys to date...

Stajan - 34-33, 50.7%

Iginla - 24-26, 48.0%

Tanguay - 21-25, 45.7%

Backlund - 15-22, 40.5%

....

Jones - 10-7, 58.8%

Cammy - 6-9, 40%

Stajan has taken over for Jokinen as the team's workhorse in the faceoff circle. Which is a good thing since he was the best on the team last yr on %... and that proficiency level has so far carried over to this year.

He's carried the team out of the league basement in the category so far.. they are 23rd presently...

5 teams on their heals within a single %.. but still a strong start to the season relative to the last few seasons.

Few people realize this about the Flames faceoff woes. Yes, the Flames were dead last last year. But Sutter kept throwing Jokinen out for the vast majority of the draws, despite the fact that he was a lowly 46%. Not only that, but he was - as per my subjective analysis - absolutely brutal when it mattered most (late in game, on PP or PK, etc). Re-signing Jokinen this year would NOT have improved our faceoff percentage - we are better off without him.

I will not be at all surprised if/when our FO percentage is higher this year than last.

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Few people realize this about the Flames faceoff woes. Yes, the Flames were dead last last year. But Sutter kept throwing Jokinen out for the vast majority of the draws, despite the fact that he was a lowly 46%. Not only that, but he was - as per my subjective analysis - absolutely brutal when it mattered most (late in game, on PP or PK, etc). Re-signing Jokinen this year would NOT have improved our faceoff percentage - we are better off without him.

I will not be at all surprised if/when our FO percentage is higher this year than last.

There are 2 aspects of the faceoff story...

1 - winning it

2 - do something with it once you win it.

Jokinen, altho not a high percentage on the dot, was much better equipped to do something with it when he won it.

Stajan has hasn't exactly shown any scoring consistency with Calgary.. He wins faceoffs, but doesn't have the offensive punch to capitalize on the possession gained.... yet. - he's come close quite a bit the last couple games i've seen. and if he sticks with Hudler and Cervenka, the points will come.

But yeah... your point overall stands... The Flames will be higher in the faceoff category this yr than last with Stajan taking the bulk of them. That should at least help in the GA category if he's winning possession in the defensive zone more often than not.

Again - i know this is not about the canucks but man.. we miss Kesler on the dot badly.

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There are 2 aspects of the faceoff story...

1 - winning it

2 - do something with it once you win it.

Jokinen, altho not a high percentage on the dot, was much better equipped to do something with it when he won it.

Stajan has hasn't exactly shown any scoring consistency with Calgary.. He wins faceoffs, but doesn't have the offensive punch to capitalize on the possession gained.... yet. - he's come close quite a bit the last couple games i've seen. and if he sticks with Hudler and Cervenka, the points will come.

But yeah... your point overall stands... The Flames will be higher in the faceoff category this yr than last with Stajan taking the bulk of them. That should at least help in the GA category if he's winning possession in the defensive zone more often than not.

Again - i know this is not about the canucks but man.. we miss Kesler on the dot badly.

I never said Stajan was going to take the bulk of them (just that Jokinen won't).

Hartley will utilize everyone, going with situational scenarios and matchups. That will include more Iginla (probably best on the team), Glencross, and Cammalleri. Also, I fully expect Backlund and Jones to continue to improve and get more opportunity.

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I never said Stajan was going to take the bulk of them (just that Jokinen won't).

No i know you didn't.. its just how the numbers are trending right now with Stajan taken 16-17 more than the next guy - Iginla - 4 games in... translates to 200 more over the course of this shortened season.

Hartley will utilize everyone, going with situational scenarios and matchups. That will include more Iginla (probably best on the team), Glencross, and Cammalleri. Also, I fully expect Backlund and Jones to continue to improve and get more opportunity.

We will see. I think if Stajan clicks as well with Hudler and Cervenka as did the last game, and continues to play as well defensively as he has early this season, then i see the Stajan trend continuing with those other guys getting an opportunity at the expense of each other..

It would be the way to go if he continues his %. Because at the least - it will help defensively. At best his line is able turn those extra possession opportunities into points.

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I think there is a very good chance that Cervenka replaces Stajan at C on that line within 2 weeks (probably sooner). That will either push Stajan to the 4th line, or (more likely) injuries will shuffle things up

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 2-4 / 50%

BACKLUND, MIKAEL 5-11 / 45%

IGINLA, JAROME 5-10 / 50%

CAMMALLERI, MIKE 0-1 / 0%

STAJAN, MATT 10-15 / 67%

JONES, BLAIR 2-4 / 50%

GLENCROSS, CURTIS 3-3 / 100%

STEMPNIAK, LEE 0-1 / 0%

TANGUAY, ALEX 5-7 / 71%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Trophy tonight for best on the dot

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TANGUAY, ALEX 5-7 / 71%

Honorable mention to STAJAN, MATT 10-15 / 67%

And the faceoff performance that deserves to be flushed:

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No one. I won't give this to someone that lost just 1 faceoff.

Backlund was under 50% but not that far off.

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 2-4 / 50%

BACKLUND, MIKAEL 6-10 / 60%

IGINLA, JAROME 11-15 / 73%

CAMMALLERI, MIKE 3-4 / 75%

COMEAU, BLAKE 1-1 / 100%

STAJAN, MATT 10-19 / 53%

JONES, BLAIR 1-1 / 100%

GLENCROSS, CURTIS 0-2 / 0%

TANGUAY, ALEX 3-8 / 38%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Trophy tonight for best on the dot

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IGINLA, JAROME 11-15 / 73%

*Big Honorable mention* to everyone else.

And the faceoff performance that deserves to be flushed

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I suppose I can give it to

TANGUAY, ALEX 3-8 / 38%

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 1-3 / 33%

BACKLUND, MIKAEL 5-13 / 38%

IGINLA, JAROME 9-13 / 69%

CAMMALLERI, MIKE 2-4 / 50%

STAJAN, MATT 12-24 / 50%

JONES, BLAIR 3-5 / 60%

GLENCROSS, CURTIS 0-1 / 0%

HUDLER, JIRI 1-1 / 100%

BEGIN, STEVE 0-2 / 0%

TANGUAY, ALEX 0-4 / 0%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Trophy tonight for best on the dot

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Goes to Iggy 9-13 69%

And the faceoff performance that deserves to be flushed

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There were a few but Tangs took 4 and lost them all.

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 1-3 / 33%

BACKLUND, MIKAEL 5-13 / 38%

IGINLA, JAROME 9-13 / 69%

CAMMALLERI, MIKE 2-4 / 50%

STAJAN, MATT 12-24 / 50%

JONES, BLAIR 3-5 / 60%

GLENCROSS, CURTIS 0-1 / 0%

HUDLER, JIRI 1-1 / 100%

BEGIN, STEVE 0-2 / 0%

TANGUAY, ALEX 0-4 / 0%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Trophy tonight for best on the dot

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Goes to Iggy 9-13 69%

And the faceoff performance that deserves to be flushed

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There were a few but Tangs took 4 and lost them all.

I agree with your assessment of the Golden Throne Trophy. If Tanguay is slotted to play as #1C, he should be facing off like a #1C.

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Well I am happy over all on our face foofs this year, a definate improvement from last year. WE started slow but have improved since then. Below have come from the www.thescore.com game summaries (box scores)

Jan 20 SJ 60% vs CGY 40% - LOSS

Jan 21 ANA 57% vs CGY 43% - LOSS

Jan 23 VAN 50% vs CGY 50% - PUSH

Jan 26 EDM 39% vs CGY 58% - WIN

Jan 31 COL 43% vs CGY 57% - WIN

Feb 2 CHI 42% vs CGY 58% - WIN

Feb 5 Det 53% vs CGY 47% - LOSS

And based off this NHL.com we are 50% on the season which is 16 in the league, where we were like last at the end of the year last year. I am happy where we are and we are just improving each game in pretty much all areas. Things are looking good for the future.

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Jan 20 SJ 60% vs CGY 40% - LOSS - Lost

Jan 21 ANA 57% vs CGY 43% - LOSS - Lost

Jan 23 VAN 50% vs CGY 50% - PUSH - Tied thru 65 mins

Jan 26 EDM 39% vs CGY 58% - WIN - Win

Jan 31 COL 43% vs CGY 57% - WIN - Lost

Feb 2 CHI 42% vs CGY 58% - WIN - Tied thru 65

Feb 5 Det 53% vs CGY 47% - LOSS - Win

Add another layer to this thread by adding the results in each game thru 65 mins:

-ignoring Shootout results for obvious reasons.

-so 3rd column is actually representing ties.. gms that went into shootout.

Record with winning FO %: 1-1-1

Record with losing FO %: 1-2

Pushes: 0-0-1

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I agree with your assessment of the Golden Throne Trophy. If Tanguay is slotted to play as #1C, he should be facing off like a #1C.

That's a silly statement. Flames fans' current obsession with FOs is ridiculous, but I guess that's what happens when you finish last.

WHo cares what Tanguay's FO percentage is, if Iginla and Cammalleri can take the majority of them. Far more important is how he can play defensively, and he's getting better each game.

THere are lots of examples of players who play positionally at C but don't take a lot of draws (and both Hudler and Cervenka have been in that position before)

The Flames have been running at 50% so far this year. That is all that matters, making FOs a complete non-issue

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Flames fans' current obsession with FOs is ridiculous, but I guess that's what happens when you finish last.

Then what is the point of the thread?

That's a silly statement...

WHo cares what Tanguay's FO percentage is, if Iginla and Cammalleri can take the majority of them. Far more important is how he can play defensively, and he's getting better each game.

THere are lots of examples of players who play positionally at C but don't take a lot of draws (and both Hudler and Cervenka have been in that position before)

The Flames have been running at 50% so far this year. That is all that matters, making FOs a complete non-issue

It isn't silly, although I can't change your mind for you. Faceoffs make or break games, whether you are last or not.

Like you said, if you have players to pick up the slack, great, but you generally go with your best guy on the dot. If tangs can't bring up his percentages, he's not performing that aspect of his job.

All that matters is the overall faceoff percentage? I am under the impression individuals are what make that overall percentage. Ignoring an an area that needs work with one player only brings that percentage down. The same can be said for blocked shots, turnovers, etc.

With that thought process personal stats mean nothing. That is silly.

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 1-2 / 50%

BACKLUND, MIKAEL 4-8 / 50%

IGINLA, JAROME 8-16 / 50%

STAJAN, MATT 6-20 / 30%

JONES, BLAIR 5-6 / 83%

BEGIN, STEVE 0-2 / 0%

TANGUAY, ALEX 7-15 / 47%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Trophy tonight for best on the dot

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Blair Jones 5 of 6 @ 83%

And the faceoff performance that deserves to be flushed

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Matt Stajan. Sorry Matt but @ 30% we need better.

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Then what is the point of the thread?

It isn't silly, although I can't change your mind for you. Faceoffs make or break games, whether you are last or not.

Like you said, if you have players to pick up the slack, great, but you generally go with your best guy on the dot. If tangs can't bring up his percentages, he's not performing that aspect of his job.

All that matters is the overall faceoff percentage? I am under the impression individuals are what make that overall percentage. Ignoring an an area that needs work with one player only brings that percentage down. The same can be said for blocked shots, turnovers, etc.

With that thought process personal stats mean nothing. That is silly.

You said that Tanguay needs to win draws like a #1 C.

I said that is silly, as long as things are being taken care of in the FO circle. Iginal has been excellent. They are splitting the duties for the line and, combined, they are about 50%.

Therefore there is no problem and saying Tanguay needs to be doing it like a #1 C is wrong and irrelevant.

And yes, I understand FOs are important, I never suggested otherwise.

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You said that Tanguay needs to win draws like a #1 C.

I said that is silly, as long as things are being taken care of in the FO circle. Iginal has been excellent. They are splitting the duties for the line and, combined, they are about 50%.

Therefore there is no problem and saying Tanguay needs to be doing it like a #1 C is wrong and irrelevant.

And yes, I understand FOs are important, I never suggested otherwise.

Yeah I did say that because its true. If his role this season is #1C, then its an aspect of the game he needs to improve. Moreso to the point where he is drawing like a #1C. Should he just be good enough? Where I'm from, that is classified as a plug. Tangs is not a plug. He has the ability to win draws. That night he wasn't and he earned the golden throne.

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Tangs in the faceoffs is interesting because he is more than a fill-in when Iggy gets thrown out. He isn't taking a huge amount of faceoffs but he isn't being ignored either. At a quick glance he is around 7-10 per game.

He was really good against Colorado but he was brutal against Detroit especially in our own end.

I haven't counted but it appears he is taking more Off end faceoffs than Def end. I am thinking that he took more last game due to Cammy being out.

I can see where S4xon is coming from when he thinks of centers taking the most faceoffs as the norm. In this case with Tangs as center it appears Iggy is taking the most. Iggy has been pretty decent doing faceoffs so far but do you want your teams elite shooters in the faceoff circle or in position to shoot? You could make the arguement if you are going to lose that faceoff without him then you have no choice.

I see improvements in the faceoffs this year to previous years results. That is good so lets hope that also translates to the results column.

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 2-2 / 100%

IGINLA, JAROME 1-9 / 11%

COMEAU, BLAKE 1-2 / 50%

STAJAN, MATT 11-23 / 48%

JONES, BLAIR 4-7 / 57%

HUDLER, JIRI 0-1 / 0%

BEGIN, STEVE 0-1 / 0%

STREET, BEN 5-7 / 71%

TANGUAY, ALEX 3-12 / 25%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Tonights trophy for best on the DOT is an easy selection

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Ben Street cleaned up with 5 of 7 at 71%

Honorable mention to Blair Jones 4 of 7 @ 57%

There were a bunch more whose effort on the DOT deserved to be flushed

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But Iggy was brutal tonight at 1 of 9 at 11%

the 1 he did win was in the neutral zone

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Thanks for the info. Iggy at 1-9 is by far the worst we've seen from him for awhile.

Hopefully this is an aberation.

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CERVENKA, ROMAN 2-6 / 33%

IGINLA, JAROME 5-11 / 45%

JACKMAN, TIM 1-2 / 50%

STAJAN, MATT 14-22 / 64%

JONES, BLAIR 1-3 / 33%

HUDLER, JIRI 1-1 / 100%

BEGIN, STEVE 2-3 / 67%

STREET, BEN 4-9 / 44%

TANGUAY, ALEX 3-6 / 50%

Full breakdown by zone is here:

Tonights trophy for best on the DOT

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Matt Stajan 14-22 / 64%

Honorable mention Steve Begin 2 of 3 67%

Effort on the DOT that deserved to be flushed

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Roman Cervenka 2-6 / 33%

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