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This Is Not The Trade Iggy Thread

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This is the we want to keep him a Flame thread.

There is no "we need to give Iggy a chance to get a cup elsewhere" in this thread.

There is no "trade Iggy and get some fine young prospects for the future" in this thread.

This is the what can we and should we do to keep him here thread.

Things we can consider:

1. How much should we offer him and should we expect another home town discount?

2. Is it too early to start with 1 year term contracts?

3. How does keeping Iggy figure into your long term plans with the Flames?

4. Should we wait to make our offer until end of the season?

5. Should we get him signed soon.

Iggy presently gets 7mil/year. His cap hit is the same 7 mil/yer.

My initial thoughts are:

There aren't many comparable but Shane Doan who is 1 year older got 5.3 mil/year for 4 years. Offering Iggy the same or less would be a huge insult in my mind. Iggy is far superior player and easily as good a leader. Iggy stays in shape so I would have little problem with offering a 4-5 years contract at this time. I think it will end up somewhere around 6+ mil/year maybe a tad higher.

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$22M over 4 years (7, 6, 5 4) - $5.5M per

While I would prefer one year deals, I can't see Iginla being interested in that.

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Doan contract isn't exactly a comparable since that was signed under a $70 mil cap environment.

Iginla will be signing under a $64.3 mil cap.

But Iginla's a higher end talent which likely cancels that out..

There are PR differences with the 2 franchises.

Phoenix would of sustained a lot more damage losing Doan than the Flames likely would losing Iginla. Hence the 4 yr term.

I think Feaster is still in the evaluation process with the team to figure out The Plan.. The longer Iginla goes without signing would indicate a shorter term contract.... logic being - if Feaster and Iginla have both committed to a particular plan that included each other, the sooner they would agree to a long term contract. I would GUESS the timeline to expect such a deal would be the trade deadline... with a decreasing chance of a long term deal after that.

so..

1. ~$6mil/yr or under. If there is a plan he likes that Feaster sells him on, a home town discount follows.

2. Yes - if a multi yr deal brings the cap # down. No - if both sides are unsure about the direction of the club.

3. Keeping him would mean - continuing to add and shuffle pieces to the roster to win now. Rebuild, or being deadline sellers unlikely.

4. I think he deserves better than that type of uncertainty. Feaster should know the plan well before then and whether he sees Iginla as part of it. If he doesn't have an offer till the end of the season - it's unlikely a serious one to keep him.

5. If he's part of the plan - definitely.

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$22M over 4 years (7, 6, 5 4) - $5.5M per

While I would prefer one year deals, I can't see Iginla being interested in that.

Does that work in the new CBA? Doesn't the final year of the contract have to be within X amount/percentage of the first year?

I think we wait it out until the end of the season and offer a 1-year extension. Play it year by year. Incluse a No Trade Clause. Give Iginla the say on whether he wants to stay or leave. In the meantime, we work hard to build a solid team as if he's not going to stay.

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This all depends on if iginla prefers to be a flame for life or not. If he does, everything is moot. Sign him to a market deal and be done with it.

The best situation for the team however is to sign him to 1 year market deals for the rest of his career and trade him if the flames are out of the playoff picture for rebuilding assets. Consider this the Keith Tkachuk plan.

It is also good for Iginla in that Iginla can keep his family in calgary knowing that he is going to come back in the off season and essentially hit the road for 2 months, so less wear and tear on them.

As well it gives him an opportunity to go for a cup every year the flames arent in the playoff picture.

In short, the only reason Iginla wont be here is if he is ready to pull the cord on the flames for good and go to a perennial contender (if there is such a thing in this age of parity).

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Does that work in the new CBA? Doesn't the final year of the contract have to be within X amount/percentage of the first year?

http://nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nhl_nhlpa-proposed-cba-summary-of-terms_final-jan-12-2013.pdf

For multi-year SPCs that are “Front-Loaded Contracts,” :

a) Year-to-year variability in compensation (each year’s Salary and Bonuses) will be limited to 35% of the compensation in the first year of the SPC. For example, if a Player earns $10 million in compensation (Salary and Bonuses) in Year 1 of his SPC, his compensation (Salary and Bonuses) cannot increase or decrease by more than $3.5 million in any subsequent year of the SPC.

B.) The lowest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) cannot be less than 50% of the highest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) of the SPC. For example, if in the

highest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) of a Player’s SPC, he earns $10 million

in total compensation (Salary and Bonuses), he may never earn less than $5 million in any

single year during the term of his SPC.For all other multi-year SPCs (i.e., not Front-Loaded Contracts as defined above), the 100% Rule shall apply.

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The max drop on a yr 1 $7 mil is $2.45 mil. Min salary in the final yr is $3.5 mil.

So C_w's structure is just fine.

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Peeps: love the new avatar. Hopefully it has a better playoff record

Just realized that the Flames have missed the playoffs since I jioned the board.

If they miss again this year, I will humbly retire for the good of the team

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Peeps: love the new avatar. Hopefully it has a better playoff record

Just realized that the Flames have missed the playoffs since I jioned the board.

If they miss again this year, I will humbly retire for the good of the team

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This is the we want to keep him a Flame thread.

There is no "we need to give Iggy a chance to get a cup elsewhere" in this thread.

There is no "trade Iggy and get some fine young prospects for the future" in this thread.

This is the what can we and should we do to keep him here thread.

Things we can consider:

1. How much should we offer him and should we expect another home town discount?

2. Is it too early to start with 1 year term contracts?

3. How does keeping Iggy figure into your long term plans with the Flames?

4. Should we wait to make our offer until end of the season?

5. Should we get him signed soon.

Iggy presently gets 7mil/year. His cap hit is the same 7 mil/yer.

My initial thoughts are:

There aren't many comparable but Shane Doan who is 1 year older got 5.3 mil/year for 4 years. Offering Iggy the same or less would be a huge insult in my mind. Iggy is far superior player and easily as good a leader. Iggy stays in shape so I would have little problem with offering a 4-5 years contract at this time. I think it will end up somewhere around 6+ mil/year maybe a tad higher.

Four or five years at 5.75 each year. He will be just as good/better as jagr/Whitney at their age so deserves a good paycheck, but downside it is a new lower cap and we can't afford 6-7 mill for a player past his prime no matter how legendary. I personally think Feaster should focus all his energy on the draft and landing a Getzlaf/perry this off season then budget Iggy. He is great and I love Iggy but he can't be THE priority. He can't be the cornerstone of this franchise and he should/probably will step the side to make room. He IS the unquestionable leader but he's not a powerhouse he used to be. He knows this. The unfortunate thing is the trade Iggy to a contender rumors and mentality in conjunction with drop in salary cap have handcuffed Iggy into getting any more money anywhere else either so hell have to accept a paycut either way.

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Four or five years at 5.75 each year. He will be just as good/better as jagr/Whitney at their age so deserves a good paycheck, but downside it is a new lower cap and we can't afford 6-7 mill for a player past his prime no matter how legendary. I personally think Feaster should focus all his energy on the draft and landing a Getzlaf/perry this off season then budget Iggy. He is great and I love Iggy but he can't be THE priority. He can't be the cornerstone of this franchise and he should/probably will step the side to make room. He IS the unquestionable leader but he's not a powerhouse he used to be. He knows this. The unfortunate thing is the trade Iggy to a contender rumors and mentality in conjunction with drop in salary cap have handcuffed Iggy into getting any more money anywhere else either so hell have to accept a paycut either way.

I would be careful about being too cavalier about that 5th year.

A cap hit close to $6M for a 5th year is very dangerous.

Basically, for a guy over 35, each additional year increases the risk exponentially. I think a 5 year deal is massively more risky than a 4 year deal and the only way I would agree to the 5th year would be if it brought the cap down substantially - like to $4M or less.

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http://nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nhl_nhlpa-proposed-cba-summary-of-terms_final-jan-12-2013.pdf

For multi-year SPCs that are “Front-Loaded Contracts,” :

a) Year-to-year variability in compensation (each year’s Salary and Bonuses) will be limited to 35% of the compensation in the first year of the SPC. For example, if a Player earns $10 million in compensation (Salary and Bonuses) in Year 1 of his SPC, his compensation (Salary and Bonuses) cannot increase or decrease by more than $3.5 million in any subsequent year of the SPC.

B.) The lowest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) cannot be less than 50% of the highest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) of the SPC. For example, if in the

highest year’s compensation (Salary and Bonuses) of a Player’s SPC, he earns $10 million

in total compensation (Salary and Bonuses), he may never earn less than $5 million in any

single year during the term of his SPC.For all other multi-year SPCs (i.e., not Front-Loaded Contracts as defined above), the 100% Rule shall apply.

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The max drop on a yr 1 $7 mil is $2.45 mil. Min salary in the final yr is $3.5 mil.

So C_w's structure is just fine.

Peeps: love the new avatar. Hopefully it has a better playoff record

Just realized that the Flames have missed the playoffs since I jioned the board.

If they miss again this year, I will humbly retire for the good of the team

Thanks guys, still very new at the new CBA.

At the end of the day, with the cap going down next season, i don't see a Cup contender with $7-mil worth of cap space who would add Iginla to their roster. They would have to gut a significant amount of key pieces to make room for him. Maybe he can go to the Penguins for $3-mil-per for one season. That's about it.

The Red Wings have cap space but are they still a Cup contender? What about the Blues (they are dead broke and according to Forbes, they are the least valuable franchise in all sports)?

Options to play with Cup contenders aren't plentiful. If the Flames offer him one year at $5-mil, i think that's going to be the best offer he will have on the table, moneywise. No need to hit him with a 4-year-deal that starts at $7-mil. If he wants to pull a Paul Kariya and play somewhere else for a reduced cost to try to win, then so be it.

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And yea, may the curse be lifted!

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Why would you start a keep Iginla thread but then suggest to signing him to a one year deal?

If he stays it's gonna be a minimum 3 year contract.

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Why would you start a keep Iginla thread but then suggest to signing him to a one year deal?

If he stays it's gonna be a minimum 3 year contract.

When elite players start to get near the end of their careers they often revert to a series of 1 year contracts. There are numerous examples, Teemu Selanne, Daniel Alfredsson lately.

I only put that in the things to consider and was not suggesting it.

In fact I stated in my opinion

I would have little problem with offering a 4-5 years contract at this time

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Funny

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C_W maybe you should consider an Avatar Icon.

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I think we wait it out until the end of the season and offer a 1-year extension. Play it year by year. Incluse a No Trade Clause. Give Iginla the say on whether he wants to stay or leave. In the meantime, we work hard to build a solid team as if he's not going to stay.

While a one year extension would be ideal for the team, I don't see Iggy going for it unless he is unsure and wants to stick around while he decides. This is a shortened season and might want one more good year with the team. Also, the one year extension would most likely be for 6.5 or more.

I would suggest 3 years at 5.75 mil with a modified NTC. This allows him to be moved if the Club deems necessary, but only to respective teams that he would prefer to play with. It would be a perfect length for both him and the team. If his performance remains at pace with the past years, great. If it drops, the modified NTC gives the Flames org. an exit strategy.

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thanks DD.

I am not really into avatars, but if I were ever to do one, I really like the good fortune one. may have to go with that

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Peeps: love the new avatar. Hopefully it has a better playoff record

Just realized that the Flames have missed the playoffs since I jioned the board.

If they miss again this year, I will humbly retire for the good of the team

>>> For the record, that funny looking character (Peep's old avatar), means fire in Chinese.

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I'm under the understanding that the owners want Iggy here for life...I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a 5 year $20,000,000 deal with a no trade clause and some bonuses

The ball is definitely in Iggy's court and he will have the choice where he wants to play, however, if he leaves , he will likely have to take a haircut on the dollars and term unless he decides to go to a non contender in which case he is better off staying in Calgary.

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IMHO I believe it is Iggy that is holding out temporarily. I want him to be a Flame for life as well, however, I think with so many variables coming into this season (new coach/system, hudler, wideman, cervenka, shortened season) I think he's simply measuring where the flames are headed. I'm sure he and feaster have discussed the team plan and direction at length, and I'm sure he likes the sound of it, but Iggy is just taking his time to see if the plan is emerging as described and if it is worth committing to. I think that's why Feaster came out and said directly to the media that he has ownership approval and wants to make Iggy a flame for life. He's showing his support and dedication to Iggy because he is a part of Feasters plan. I wouldn't be surprised if Iggy's decision rides on whether we make the playoffs this year or not.

That said, I agree with some of the posts already in this thread looking at a 4-5 year contract, and if we can somehow manage the cap hit over that time to be $5mil or even less. I prefer to keep him in the fold. Go flames go!

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I agree and personally believe people overrate Iginlas desire to stay in Calgary. Prior to the 03/04 season, where he was about be an rfa and owed a qualifying offer of over 7 mill, he was pretty open about leaving and several times mentioned how it was "part of the business". I have no doubt He likes it here but up until now it's also been a place he has won in ( to a certain extent). I agree that Iginla wants to see if this is still a place he can win in and if he feels he can't I have no doubt he would leave because I think winning is as important to him as where he resides. Of calgary has a good year and he clicks with Hartley he stay, if not i think he doesn't. At this point I would say a 3 year deal is fai nothing more but less if he is interested.

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So Boomer (Fan 960) gets on the intermission tonight all beaming and excited. Seems he has been asked to do an interview for local Pittsburg sports radio. It also seems that the Iggy trade talk to the Pens is all the rage in their neck of the woods these days. Not sure if this is a where there is smoke there is fire thinking or not.

 

For a couple of games now I have wondered why the Flames have been giving Iggy sheltered minutes on the 3rd line. This(Iggy trade speculation) might be one reason. If that is actually a reason remains to be determined but it appears his new linemates and Iggy are getting along together and feasting on the other teams lines who are other than their top lines.

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Does anyone see Iginla playing a lesser role here, like on the 2nd line at 4.5M a year on a 3 year contract ?

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All this talk on trading our top players, then what?  We put our hope in high draft picks?  I will never understand why people jump on the trade Iggy band Wagon so quick.  Though he may be interested little older he is still an elite player.  Iggy has been and needs to continue to be the face of the franchise. I back at stevie Y and Joe Sacic where they still not leaders for their respected teams?  To lose Iggy would set the club back farther. For those out that think he can replaced easy I would really like you to tell me by who. I mean on and off the ice. 

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