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Time To Start Irving

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I think Irving is a better goalie than Kipper now. I would like us to give the young kid a shot, he played great at times when he was in last year. Kippers weak goals have been killing us in a couple games this season. I would like to see some competition at the goalie position, at least until Kipper picks his game up. Kipper has continued to regressed over the last 4 years. He is still a decent goalie but he is not the player he was 4 years ago.

What are your thoughts?

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I think we should be careful what we wish for because Irving hasn't been very good even at the AHL level. He couldn't outplay Barry Brust to win the starter's role in Abbotsford. Playing Irving is just an emotional reaction to ONE bad (very bad) game by Kipper. We have to go back to Kipper on Saturday (especially against Chicago).

Only if Kipper faulters again do we go to Irving for a game.

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Against Chicago.. umm no thanks. We gave him a game like that in Boston last year. It wasn't pretty. In fact it was down right ugly.

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Gotta start Kipper against Hawks. We cant sit him on a knee jerk reaction to a bad game espically against one of the best teams in the league. Yes Kipper had a horrible game but he is the only choice against the Hawks.

Against Chicago.. umm no thanks. We gave him a game like that in Boston last year. It wasn't pretty. In fact it was down right ugly.

I remember that. Didnt they score 7 or 9 goals or something. I remember Boston not even really celebrating after the 5th one.

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Kipper better start stepping up soon, he hasn't been sharp this year. Calgary has allowed 3 or more goals in every game so far, that's just not good enough

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I think Irving is a better goalie than Kipper now. I would like us to give the young kid a shot, he played great at times when he was in last year. Kippers weak goals have been killing us in a couple games this season. I would like to see some competition at the goalie position, at least until Kipper picks his game up. Kipper has continued to regressed over the last 4 years. He is still a decent goalie but he is not the player he was 4 years ago.

What are your thoughts?

I stopped reading after the bolded section. Credibility went out the window.

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Gotta start Kipper against Hawks. We cant sit him on a knee jerk reaction to a bad game espically against one of the best teams in the league. Yes Kipper had a horrible game but he is the only choice against the Hawks.

I remember that. Didnt they score 7 or 9 goals or something. I remember Boston not even really celebrating after the 5th one.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/recap.htm?id=2011020584

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and Tuukka Rask earned his third shutout in four starts

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I think Irving is a better goalie than Kipper now.

I stopped reading after the bolded section. Credibility went out the window.

Out the window, down the street and disappeared on the horizon...

Could we use some help from a backup goaltender at times? Absolutely...

Irving was only kept as he was deemed a better tender than Karlsson, and that ain't saying much... So it's either ride it out and see how Ramo does, or look elsewhere via trade...

There is a slim chance that Irving could step up and rightfully claim the job he now holds by default, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it...

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I stopped reading after the bolded section. Credibility went out the window.

Out the window, down the street and disappeared on the horizon...

Could we use some help from a backup goaltender at times? Absolutely...

Irving was only kept as he was deemed a better tender than Karlsson, and that ain't saying much... So it's either ride it out and see how Ramo does, or look elsewhere via trade...

There is a slim chance that Irving could step up and rightfully claim the job he now holds by default, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it...

I've shown more faith in Irving then most but that line had me rofl.

well done steaking ridiculous! :lol:

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I think we should be careful what we wish for because Irving hasn't been very good even at the AHL level. He couldn't outplay Barry Brust to win the starter's role in Abbotsford. Playing Irving is just an emotional reaction to ONE bad (very bad) game by Kipper. We have to go back to Kipper on Saturday (especially against Chicago).

Only if Kipper faulters again do we go to Irving for a game.

sound logic here

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I have consistently said that goal tending was an area of worry for the Flames starting this season. In the last 5 seasons Kipper has had one great year, one okay year, and three pretty awful years. Two of those awful years were under an offensive style coach. A lot of fans just took for granted that Kipper would play this season like he did last.

But that said. Saying Irving is better then Kipper is just silly. If the Flames are going to win it is because Kipper has worked out of his funk. He only does that by playing games. Putting a goalie in place with 1 NHL win that just lost his back-up job in the AHL isn't the solution.

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Putting a goalie in place with 1 NHL win that just lost his back-up job in the AHL isn't the solution.

Worth reapeating and bolding and enlarging for emphasis.

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I think the Flames should play Irving. If we're going to hang onto our last place standing in the league we need to be smart. It will be exciting when Jones or MacKinnon is officially a Flame! Baertschi, Gaudreau, Jankowski, Brodie Brossoit and MacKinnon! Early on it's shaping up to be a great team for at least a decade!

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Kipper didnt have the benefit of games either in the minors or preseason to get into game shape. Irving has just plain sucked this year. If you want to get into the playoffs you ride Kipper as much as possible, he will settle into his usual self sooner then later.

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I thought they might go with Irving tonight because Kipper didn't take part in the morning skate. (Neither did Jarome, mind you [maintenance]) But Hartley is all confindence when it comes to Kipper...

"I'll be very honest with you," said the Flames head coach following Friday's on-ice session.

"Miikka Kip-rusoff was one of the reasons why I decided to come to Calgary. I still feel the same way about Miikka Kiprusoff. If I would be a betting man, I know Miikka Kiprusoff is going to win way more games for the Calgary Flames than he's going to lose."

Unprompted, he continued.

"He's one of the best goalies in the league," Hartley said. "I feel very comfortable, very confident, with Miikka. And I know that he's going to bounce back."

Apparently Emery is getting the start for the Hawks and the Hawks are a tired bunch and didn't skate this morning as they didn't get in until after 3am. Bolland is questionable for tonight's game and the Hawks have lost the last 4 in Calgary.

This is definely a toss up between watching this game or UFC 156. :/ Part of me thinks the Flames could come out to play and embarass the Hawks. Or do I take a chance on UFC and hope it doesn't become a hugging contest? Decisions, decisions!

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I'm not sure if Irving is their best backup right now, but he'll have to do.

It's going to be painful, but the Flames Need to start playing their young backups.

Get Irving in there. Expect disaster. Be thankful if it works out.

In the definite case of disaster, pat him on the back, give it a few games, rinse, and repeat.

Irving Does have what it takes to be an NHL starter (as do a number of other Flames prospects).

We would be Lucky if it took only 10 NHL games to get him playing at a competitive NHL level, considering the lack of minutes we've given him.

If the purpose of giving him a game is to see what happens, it's a waste of time. I can tell you what'll happen. It's an investment. In a shortened season, it will hurt us. But it is Necessary and has been for a Long time. The longer we leave it, the worse it gets.

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Irving won't be a Flame next season and Kipper gives you the best chance to win. Playing him to invest in development is a waste. You play him when you absolutely have to and no more.

If Irving was sticking around I would say play him more. But he isn't.

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Irving won't be a Flame next season and Kipper gives you the best chance to win. Playing him to invest in development is a waste. You play him when you absolutely have to and no more.

If Irving was sticking around I would say play him more. But he isn't.

That is also my opinion on the subject...

If Irving was considered to part of the Flames future, he never would have been put on waivers...,

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Whats Irving starting? Pilates? Hot yoga? Delivering pizza's? Well either way let me know when he starts saving pucks and stops with his whinny attitude that got him benched last season....

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Despite Irving's shortcomings, Kipper has been pretty bad this year too. We are the worst team in the NHL by Sv%. By a huge margin too. We are second worst in goal differential in the west, only to Columbus (and they've played 3 more games).

We need to trade to acquire a goalie ASAP if we honestly think we have a shot at the playoffs.

A 0.859 Sv% is not at an acceptable level for an NHL goalie. If Kipper can't step up on his own, we need to bring someone in to compete for the job. That's not Irving obviously.

Today, Kipper is the worst starting goalie in the entire NHL by Sv%. That's why we are losing. We are 2nd to only the Blues in lowest shots against. We're losing because Kipper isn't good enough.

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Despite Irving's shortcomings, Kipper has been pretty bad this year too. We are the worst team in the NHL by Sv%. By a huge margin too. We are second worst in goal differential in the west, only to Columbus (and they've played 3 more games).

We need to trade to acquire a goalie ASAP if we honestly think we have a shot at the playoffs.

A 0.859 Sv% is not at an acceptable level for an NHL goalie. If Kipper can't step up on his own, we need to bring someone in to compete for the job. That's not Irving obviously.

Today, Kipper is the worst starting goalie in the entire NHL by Sv%. That's why we are losing. We are 2nd to only the Blues in lowest shots against. We're losing because Kipper isn't good enough.

Why are you suprised Kipper is starting slow? He starts slow with a training camp and less time off between game action this is no suprise to me that he would start slow this go around just like I have no doubt he'll snap out of it and play like the normal Kipper. Kipper is certainly a part of why they are losing but is not the only reason nor the primary one IMO lots of factors come together.

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I think that they should start using irving because kipper has been killing use with the week goals he has tried to save. and when we played chicago the the last 2.1 seconds he should have had that goal for an elite type goalie and not laydown.

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I think that they should start using irving because kipper has been killing use with the week goals he has tried to save. and when we played chicago the the last 2.1 seconds he should have had that goal for an elite type goalie and not laydown.

Flames should have won the face off at center ice. Flames should have blocked the pass. Flames should not have been running around so much. Flames should have had Hossa covered. Blame Kipper.

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Every single year, geos, you rag on Kipper and/or Iginla all season long.

It would be awesome if you just let it go for a while.

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Why are you suprised Kipper is starting slow? He starts slow with a training camp and less time off between game action this is no suprise to me that he would start slow this go around just like I have no doubt he'll snap out of it and play like the normal Kipper. Kipper is certainly a part of why they are losing but is not the only reason nor the primary one IMO lots of factors come together.

Kipper had a great game last night. The caliber of saves were on par with his highest level of play. So the outcome wasn't what the fans and the team hoped for. So what? The last goal was with a man advantage, and the D couldn't pull the puck away from the Hawks. Shootouts are shootouts.

Why geos wants another starter, and all these others are wanting to start Irving is beyond me. I have no confidence Irving, nor have I had for a couple years now. "Oh, but he had a great game against the Canucks last year." It was one game amongst a graveyard of losses. He couldn't cut it as a starter in the AHL this season, and I will not put my hopes in a netminder who has a grand total of 7, yes you heard me right, 7 NHL games in his career.

You put your best foot forward, for the Flames that is Kip.

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