robrob1974 176 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Everyone always tosses the big known names around first such as Bishop, Fleury, Elliott all with their own set of circumstances. I would go for the gusto on Vasilevskiy and if unavailable strike a deal with Reimer. I like a guy that feels he has a lot to prove and wants the opportunity. My bet is, if Tampa signs Stamkos, Bishop needs to go. If they don't, they may shop Vasilevsky. I want the younger goalie because he will develop with the team and possibly price his way to a bigger contract longer term instead of a big one straight away. His numbers may incline slower. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlamesLogic 39 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Hard to convince a cup winner to part with their #1 guy, even if he sat out the playoffs. They talk tough, but have very little latitude that gives them a decent return. Niemi/Lettin-it-in is the worst choice. Yes Niemi is the worst choice (Reimer is better) BUT the only reason you get Niemi is if you deal Wideman back. Matchsticks and Gasoline actually put together a nice comparison of most of the available goalies here: http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2016/6/24/12022524/flames-james-reimer-marc-andre-fleury-jaroslav-halak-jonathan-bernier I wish he included Bobrosky in the analysis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MAC331 1,444 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 My bet is, if Tampa signs Stamkos, Bishop needs to go. If they don't, they may shop Vasilevsky. I want the younger goalie because he will develop with the team and possibly price his way to a bigger contract longer term instead of a big one straight away. His numbers may incline slower. Maybe we should deal for Vasilevskiy and Callahan RW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robrob1974 176 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 I like Callahan's game. Has he been injury prone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JTech780 1,904 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 John Shannon (@JSportsnet) tweeted at 2:41 PM on Fri, Jun 24, 2016: Add name of Jimmy Howard to Flames' goalie chase.Hearing Bishop wants long term extension if traded to Calgary.Hearing 7x7 asking price. I have zero interest in Howard, maybe if they threw Larkin in with Howard I might but otherwise no thanks. I also am not interested in Bishop at 7x$7m. Too much for too long for a goaltender. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cross16 2,972 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Agree on both counts. If that is the ask I walk and acquire someone else. I woudn't go more than 5 years on Bishop and if he wants 7 for 7 i'm guess he'll need close to 8 for a shorter term deal. Bishop is making less and less sense for the Flames to acquire iMO. ONly reason I would contemplate Howard is if Detroit ate salary and his cap hit was less than 4 million. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JTech780 1,904 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Frank Seravalli (@frank_seravalli) tweeted at 2:58 PM on Fri, Jun 24, 2016: Bobrovsky believed to be avail #CBJ. Huge ticket $7.4M x 3. Contract can't wow CGY, but acquistn cost will be lower. Depending on what we give up and if Columbus will eat some salary Bobrovsky would be a great pick up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cross16 2,972 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Bobvrovsky in the 5-6 mill range is not terrible. But do Jackets eat salary AND include him in a deal to move down? Flames may have to give up more. Plus side though, at a 3 year deal the term is very friendly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JTech780 1,904 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Bobvrovsky in the 5-6 mill range is not terrible. But do Jackets eat salary AND include him in a deal to move down? Flames may have to give up more. Plus side though, at a 3 year deal the term is very friendly. I think Bobrovsky is still a very good goalie, and would be a good get. Good term, good age and good goaltender. Just like everything else, acquisition cost is key. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cross16 2,972 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 I think Bobrovsky is still a very good goalie, and would be a good get. Good term, good age and good goaltender. Just like everything else, acquisition cost is key. Agree for th emost part, but injury history and eratic play at that salary level worry me a bit. LIke I said term makes the conversation worth while but I can't say ill be thrilled if the Jackets don't eay any salary or the Flames can't move salary out elsewhre. Even on his game i'm not sure Bobrosvky is worth over 7mill. but worthwile discussion for sure and if it means getting him and Puljujarvi (asuming that's who they want) you have to have that conversation and try and find a fit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix66 847 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 John Shannon (@JSportsnet) tweeted at 2:41 PM on Fri, Jun 24, 2016: Add name of Jimmy Howard to Flames' goalie chase.Hearing Bishop wants long term extension if traded to Calgary.Hearing 7x7 asking price. I have zero interest in Howard, maybe if they threw Larkin in with Howard I might but otherwise no thanks. I also am not interested in Bishop at 7x$7m. Too much for too long for a goaltender. Cost has been my biggest obstacle to Bishop since the beginning, but gotta ask what did people think he was gonna cost? But gotta say if we do pull the trigger,I'll be happy to have him..and all the people who were clamouring for a top #1 better just hush and be happy with it. I have no issues paying Bishop 7M but not a fan of the term. However BT doesn't do NMC's so do it right you trade him out when he's still at the top and Gillies or whomever is ready to take over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robrob1974 176 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 7x7 is a bit too long for a guy who has had a few injuries. I pass. 7m will hurt the long term cap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cross16 2,972 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 The one thing I will say about Bishop is if the Flames are interested I think its pretty clear the 6th overal pick is not in the discussions. hour away from the draft and Treliving is busy meeting with CBJ and EDM tells me that 6th overal pick isn't in play for Bishop. Maybe they still acquire Bishop but it won't be for the 6th overal pick IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyerfan52 1,355 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 I think Bobrovsky is still a very good goalie, and would be a good get. Good term, good age and good goaltender. Just like everything else, acquisition cost is key. Offer Bouma (2.2 x 2) & that last year of Raymond along with our #6 for Bob & #3. Year 1 the BJs save 2.4, year 2 its 5.5 & the last year it's the full hit. Reverse the #s & we have our starter @ 2.4 over current cap in year 1 & plenty of space to add Montoya or Hutton as backup. Year 2 we've added 5.5 which is still good for a starter. This is actually the only year he had injury problems. He kept re-injuring the groin so might have come back too soon. He looked good @ the IIHF tournament. ********************************************************* Although I doubt he gets moved. As said a 1 year injury problem & a suitable replacement leaves little in savings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix66 847 Report post Posted June 24, 2016 Also remember he's still only about 5.8 next season..his new contract won't be in effect until after all that other money is off the books Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andymo 46 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Elliott to Flames is blowing up Twitter... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GBEdm 5 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Dreger saying Cgy getting Elliot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cross16 2,972 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 For only the 35th pick? Wow this awesome day continues!!! Don't have a link but Friedman just said the return is the 35th pick. That's an excellent move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robrob1974 176 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Yup! What Elliotte Freidman just said too. Elliotte. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manu11 58 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 solid price for Eliott. I'm not as high on him than many others, but his cap hit is really good for the coming season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBTC-FLAMES-EDITION 21 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 If we got him we've already won the draft hands down (laughs evil-like). Haha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjgallow 620 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 For the best save percentage in the NHL? Shucks.....if true..... Even I would support that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertaBoy12 342 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Yea we got him for the 35th OA pick. what a steal, I dont know how anyone could dislike tree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjgallow 620 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 Yea we got him for the 35th OA pick. what a steal, I dont know how anyone could dislike tree. If anyone would, it would be me. And I Did have to think twice. That's basically a first rounder. But Elliot just Isn't slowing down...he could be good for another 5 years for all we know. And....it's always worth paying a premium...for the Best. Which he actually is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cross16 2,972 Report post Posted June 25, 2016 So it's just been added that if Elliot re signs the flames need to send a 2018 3rd rounder. Which still makes this a fantastic trade. 2nd and a 3rd for a very good starter who can play probably next 4-5 years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
