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If we were to assume that we sign a winger or Foo makes the team, I think it is in the flames best interest to have jankowski play in the ahl and have say Freddie and/or Lazar as extra forward. If there are injuries, bring up Janko and have him leapfrog the bench or sit Stajan then. If Janko can Excel we will cut Stajan or Freddie. This way he gets top minutes in the A and gets into games here. I don't want to see him full time in Calgary if he is stuck on the fourth.

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22 minutes ago, TheBurn said:

If we were to assume that we sign a winger or Foo makes the team, I think it is in the flames best interest to have jankowski play in the ahl and have say Freddie and/or Lazar as extra forward. If there are injuries, bring up Janko and have him leapfrog the bench or sit Stajan then. If Janko can Excel we will cut Stajan or Freddie. This way he gets top minutes in the A and gets into games here. I don't want to see him full time in Calgary if he is stuck on the fourth.

 

No Bouma here now.  LW on the 4th is open.  Freddies and Lazar are RHS.  I think it's reasonable that Lazar and Foo (assuming he makes it) trade off for one spot on RW.

Stajan can easily shift to the wing and allow Janko to become a center.  He can always take draws if Janko can't win them often.  

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While i do agree with opening up spots, keep in mind if you want to sign Jagr you are signing him because you want a top 6 forward. There is no one currently on the farm that IMO can step in next year and play the wing in the top 6. You've got options for the bottom 6 for sure and I think there will be competition there and it's why I would not like the idea of brining in a veteran depth player, but that isn't the play you are mkaing with Jagr.

 

that being said I don't think Jagr is coming here. Remember, he played for Gulutzan in Dallas so I think if Jagr wanted to be in Calgary, GG wanted him, and the team wanted him he'd already be a Flame. The fact he remains out there tells me either Jagr or the Flames don't feel the fit is there. As much as the fan in me wants to see Jagr, I think you really have to question is he the right type of player the Flames need on the ice? 

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45 minutes ago, cross16 said:

While i do agree with opening up spots, keep in mind if you want to sign Jagr you are signing him because you want a top 6 forward. There is no one currently on the farm that IMO can step in next year and play the wing in the top 6. You've got options for the bottom 6 for sure and I think there will be competition there and it's why I would not like the idea of brining in a veteran depth player, but that isn't the play you are mkaing with Jagr.

 

 

And this is totally it . I think we place too much worry and emphasis on "holding Spots"  or stonewalling a prospect.

Bottom line is, every job on that team is open for someone to take it .

We added Hamonic and resigned Stone because we felt we have nobody who can do next year what they will do. If an Anderson, for example,  comes into camp and ultimately shows hes our best #4 option with his play?  you just watch how fast they adjust to put him there .

 

We paid over $5M last year so Wideman could eat popcorn most of the year.

Bouma got bought out cuz Hamilton and Hathaway make less combined and arguably both do a better job 

 

If Rittich or Gillies shows next year that that #2 spot should belong to them ?  Lack will be gone.. traded .. demoted.. whatever 

If Foo comes in and starts looking like Johnny?  they will make the room.

Stajan can be at worst , very easily buried in Stockton.. the only player on that team we are remotely "stuck with"  is TJ..and even he can be traded if necessary 

 

Bottom line is , the door is open to anybody who wants to take a job .. but in the meantime , its BT's job to give GG the best he can to work with .. and GG's job to put the pieces together to get wins in any combination he sees fit.

Wondering what to do with a player because an unforeseen player has taken their spot is a problem every GM and Coach wants to have .

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1 hour ago, cross16 said:

While i do agree with opening up spots, keep in mind if you want to sign Jagr you are signing him because you want a top 6 forward. There is no one currently on the farm that IMO can step in next year and play the wing in the top 6. You've got options for the bottom 6 for sure and I think there will be competition there and it's why I would not like the idea of brining in a veteran depth player, but that isn't the play you are mkaing with Jagr.

 

that being said I don't think Jagr is coming here. Remember, he played for Gulutzan in Dallas so I think if Jagr wanted to be in Calgary, GG wanted him, and the team wanted him he'd already be a Flame. The fact he remains out there tells me either Jagr or the Flames don't feel the fit is there. As much as the fan in me wants to see Jagr, I think you really have to question is he the right type of player the Flames need on the ice? 

 

Well considering we don't really have a puck protection specialist on the team, I see the fit. I mean who else really uses their frame well enough on forward? Ferland? Tkachuk when he's not falling over? Colbourne was very good at it, but inconsistent and the rest of his game was lacking. Its bothered me for a while how easy it is to take the puck away from this team. Jags is still one of the best at doing so and cycling. Either way, I'll be content if we sign him or not.

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1 hour ago, cross16 said:

that being said I don't think Jagr is coming here. Remember, he played for Gulutzan in Dallas so I think if Jagr wanted to be in Calgary, GG wanted him, and the team wanted him he'd already be a Flame. The fact he remains out there tells me either Jagr or the Flames don't feel the fit is there. As much as the fan in me wants to see Jagr, I think you really have to question is he the right type of player the Flames need on the ice? 

 

I'm not so sure about that. If our organization has interest in Jagr, it could take a while to sign him depending on what our RFA's Bennett & Ferland will get on their new contracts. Only then, when we know how much cap space is left and if the money is enough, could I see a signing beeing made.

At least I hope there is a general interest from both sides. 

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5 minutes ago, Fins&FIre15 said:

 

Well considering we don't really have a puck protection specialist on the team, I see the fit. I mean who else really uses their frame well enough on forward? Ferland? Tkachuk when he's not falling over? Colbourne was very good at it, but inconsistent and the rest of his game was lacking. Its bothered me for a while how easy it is to take the puck away from this team. Jags is still one of the best at doing so and cycling. Either way, I'll be content if we sign him or not.

true enough.. I agree for those reasons. Anytime i see his name nowadays its mentioning Calgary too...  would be nice , if theres an issue its likely a waiting game to get his price down 

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9 minutes ago, manu11 said:

 

I'm not so sure about that. If our organization has interest in Jagr, it could take a while to sign him depending on what our RFA's Bennett & Ferland will get on their new contracts. Only then, when we know how much cap space is left and if the money is enough, could I see a signing beeing made.

At least I hope there is a general interest from both sides. 

 

I tend to agree.  Ferland is somewhat of a known for max salary after arbitration.  Bennett is the only unknown, but will be a short term bridge deal at a decent value.  He's not going to get too much considering his lack of number or leverage.  He'll get his payday.

 

The think about Jagr is the cost on a one-year deal.  He had a $4m cap hit with up to an extra $1,515m performance bonus.  That's a lot for a player that you don;t really want to commit to a 2nd year to drop the price.  If there is interest, you have discussion about what you can offer right now.  Keep the door open if you may be able to offer more later.    There may already be a deal in principal that needs to wait for the Bennett signing.  Who knows.  Some rumours about him.  Some about talking to NY about a trade.

 

 

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I believe he'll stay in the East.

MTL, BOS, NJ's my guess.

The West travel isn't what he wants.

I would be in favour of adding Jagr, our RW is dodgy right now, with a bunch of ifs.

Iginla might be the best route though, never thought I'd say that, but we need some depth if the ifs end up a shortcoming.

I'm just spitballing, so stake me at your peril, lol.

Older NHLers aren't washed up, they're older.

Great short term action there...unless you're Carolina and it's the 2007-08 season...

The Iginla's may be far too well known here, though, and may feel like prisoners, again.

The press would be all over a return to Calgary, so that's likely not a good thing either.

Spitballing...

 

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Another way to look at it, could ANY of our forwards beat Iggy in a fight? Ferland? No.

He's a way to get tougher up front, for sure. Unless we'd have tkachuk do it, Iggy's tough, you gotta give him that.

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1 hour ago, Fins&FIre15 said:

 

Well considering we don't really have a puck protection specialist on the team, I see the fit. I mean who else really uses their frame well enough on forward? Ferland? Tkachuk when he's not falling over? Colbourne was very good at it, but inconsistent and the rest of his game was lacking. Its bothered me for a while how easy it is to take the puck away from this team. Jags is still one of the best at doing so and cycling. Either way, I'll be content if we sign him or not.

 

Considering they were one of the better puck possession teams in the league last year i'm not sharing the opinion of the lack of puck protection on the team. I think the problem with fit is speed. Flames need to get faster and Jagr makes them much slower. 

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1 hour ago, manu11 said:

 

I'm not so sure about that. If our organization has interest in Jagr, it could take a while to sign him depending on what our RFA's Bennett & Ferland will get on their new contracts. Only then, when we know how much cap space is left and if the money is enough, could I see a signing beeing made.

At least I hope there is a general interest from both sides. 

 

By this point you would know the range of what those contracts around going to be though. The Flames cannot offer Jagr any more 2-3 million in terms of salary and or bonuses so again I think if the fit was there it would already be worked out and you wouldn't have to wait. 

 

Could maybe see the Flames being one of his few offers and he's holding out for me but then I would have to really question why you would want to player that isn't that keen on coming here. either way, i'm just not seeing it that's all. I think if the organization felt Jagr was a good fit, Gulutzan wanted him and Jagr really wanted to be here it would be a done deal. I get the rumored links because the Flames lack RWers but I just don't see it happening. 

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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

I tend to agree.  Ferland is somewhat of a known for max salary after arbitration.  Bennett is the only unknown, but will be a short term bridge deal at a decent value.  He's not going to get too much considering his lack of number or leverage.  He'll get his payday.

 

The think about Jagr is the cost on a one-year deal.  He had a $4m cap hit with up to an extra $1,515m performance bonus.  That's a lot for a player that you don;t really want to commit to a 2nd year to drop the price.  If there is interest, you have discussion about what you can offer right now.  Keep the door open if you may be able to offer more later.    There may already be a deal in principal that needs to wait for the Bennett signing.  Who knows.  Some rumours about him.  Some about talking to NY about a trade.

 

 

 

What are some of the rumours out there? I am getting a bit out of touch as I am in school (yes, even in summer). 

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1 minute ago, robrob74 said:

 

What are some of the rumours out there? I am getting a bit out of touch as I am in school (yes, even in summer). 

Quiet as all get out. Good time to be at school. Or at the beach, one or the other..:ph34r:

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2 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Quiet as all get out. Good time to be at school. Or at the beach, one or the other..:ph34r:

 

I suppose I Could bring my readings to the beach... :P

Vancouver weather has been quite nice this summer, after a horrible, wet year. 

 

I wish they did the prospects tournament during the September Long weekend instead, as it would be great to go to Penticton to watch. But it's something I am looking forward to.

 

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1 hour ago, conundrumed said:

The Iginla's may be far too well known here, though, and may feel like prisoners, again.

The press would be all over a return to Calgary, so that's likely not a good thing either.

Spitballing...

 

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Another way to look at it, could ANY of our forwards beat Iggy in a fight? Ferland? No.

He's a way to get tougher up front, for sure. Unless we'd have tkachuk do it, Iggy's tough, you gotta give him that.

 

I had this nightmare where the Oilers won the cup. I accept that could just be a matter of time. Thing is, in the nightmare, Jarome was on the team. 

 

Obviously, I had to be consoled. 

 

Love. 

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34 minutes ago, cross16 said:

 

By this point you would know the range of what those contracts around going to be though. The Flames cannot offer Jagr any more 2-3 million in terms of salary and or bonuses so again I think if the fit was there it would already be worked out and you wouldn't have to wait. 

 

Could maybe see the Flames being one of his few offers and he's holding out for me but then I would have to really question why you would want to player that isn't that keen on coming here. either way, i'm just not seeing it that's all. I think if the organization felt Jagr was a good fit, Gulutzan wanted him and Jagr really wanted to be here it would be a done deal. I get the rumored links because the Flames lack RWers but I just don't see it happening. 

 

I get what you're saying and also feel that it's far from a guarantee that he will sign here, although I still hope he does.

 

I think that that Jagr would prefer to play for a contender like our team, but also wants to get paid as close as it's possible to what he is still worth. He isn't in a situation like Hemsky, who had trouble staying healthy in his past few years, or Jokinen who just got bought out from Florida. If he was just out for money, he would have signed with Vegas already.

I mean we have Bennett who is probably in the 2-3million range and Ferland with his arbitation who could be anywhere from 1.5-3mil. Plus Lazar who should be under 1million.

If the both of them get the max of that range, there would only be about 2 million left for Jagr, but if the two get somewhere in the middle of that range we'd have around 3 million left.

That extra million could then also go Jagr's way, hence my assumption his signing could take a while, if both sides have interest.

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10 minutes ago, Heartbreaker said:

 

I had this nightmare where the Oilers won the cup. I accept that could just be a matter of time. Thing is, in the nightmare, Jarome was on the team. 

 

Obviously, I had to be consoled. 

 

Love. 

I've said before, if Iggy signs with Edmonton , I hope we have a ceremony to retire #12 to the rafters on the first home date with Edmonton ...  in honor of Hakan Loob   :D 

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48 minutes ago, Heartbreaker said:

 

I had this nightmare where the Oilers won the cup. I accept that could just be a matter of time. Thing is, in the nightmare, Jarome was on the team. 

 

Obviously, I had to be consoled. 

 

Love. 

There HAS to be a pharmaceutical equation that answers this dilemma?

May cause....lol.

Or just consoling, sounds as good as anything on the market, lol.

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I'm leaning towards the camp thinking Treliving might hold pat on any,ore UFAs. I'd be fine with Jagr or Iginla but I feel Treliving wants to see what he has right now in his forward group, plus he's likely anticipating increased offensive production from our D core. Jokinen would have been a good addition but he's sold his soul to the Oil. I could see us going into camp with our current group, maybe there is more potential there in year 2 under GG. 

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8 hours ago, cross16 said:

 

Considering they were one of the better puck possession teams in the league last year i'm not sharing the opinion of the lack of puck protection on the team. I think the problem with fit is speed. Flames need to get faster and Jagr makes them much slower. 

We were top 10 in puck possession for one year. We've spent the last half decade in the bottom half. For comparison, the oil tankers were in the top 10 overall for one year in the entire last decade. If you watched the games maybe you'd understand the concern.

 

I also can't remember a time when one player had a boat anchor strapped to him and was dragging around the rest of his teammates on a rope.

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PLEASE no to Jagr and also Iginla, neither fit into the youthful environment we are seeing, both kinda just slow us down.

 

If I had to pick one, I would actually take Iginla and not for nostalgia sake, you could at least try Iggy with Mony/Johnny, if it doesn't work, Iggy slides to 3rd line RW and gets time on PP with that lethal shot he still possesses.

 

Jagr is going to be 46, numbers are bound to continue to decline, and he has no real desire to sign in Calgary, at least Iginla would be a homecoming and he'd probably be very motivated.

 

As I said I hope we sign neither!

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6 hours ago, Fins&FIre15 said:

We were top 10 in puck possession for one year. We've spent the last half decade in the bottom half. For comparison, the oil tankers were in the top 10 overall for one year in the entire last decade. If you watched the games maybe you'd understand the concern.

 

 

 

Knew I was missing something....

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6 hours ago, Fins&FIre15 said:

We were top 10 in puck possession for one year. We've spent the last half decade in the bottom half. For comparison, the oil tankers were in the top 10 overall for one year in the entire last decade. If you watched the games maybe you'd understand the concern.

 

I also can't remember a time when one player had a boat anchor strapped to him and was dragging around the rest of his teammates on a rope.

this is too much, youre killing me.

 

37 minutes ago, cross16 said:

 

 

Knew I was missing something....

LOL, geez cross watch the games why dont you.

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I heard or saw some rumor that a possible trade could occur between Toronto and Calgary plus a few other teams. They are looking for a RHSD, what about trading Bennett and Rasmus Andersson for William Nylander and a 2nd round pick ?? People will say hold on WHAT but think about it we are now strong down the middle with more on the way but we need a top RW to play with Gaudreau and Monahan. Thoughts ?

 

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