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10 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Friedman said as much. Would be a surprise if Suter signs in Canada. Seems like a cheap signing with a Tampa or Colorado 

 

I think contender is the operative word.  Canada has no real contender.

Tampa is not in a position to re-sign up to 6 pieces of their club, so adding Suter doesn't seem reasonable.

 

15 hours ago, MP5029 said:

Nope not at all he’s gonna be 36 this year…we would be better served to keep Gio 

 

i think of Gio gets claimed, which may not happen, but it could, but if he dose, we should be looking at FA Montour (FLA) or someone similar 

 

Montour is a RHS, so that doesn't really solve the Gio problem.

The reason I brought up Suter is that he was a very good defense and is available in a shallow pool of quality D in FA.

The best ones will be re-signed by their teams after FA, if they haven't been scooped by Seattle.

Savard may be available, but offer little in the way of offense.

Barrie is available, but offers little defense.

 

Getting younger should be the goal, but why sign a younger guy not as good in the short term to a longer contract?

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I think if the Flames lose Gio and want to replace him cheaper with a FA then they should target Jake McCabe. Should be affordable and is very strong defensively, unlike Suter, and I think would be a good candidates to play either Rasmus and perhaps let his game come back.  Could also complete the loop as the Sabres took McCabe with the pick the Flames gave them in the Regehr trade. 
 

I think he is the better fit for the Flames. Nothing against Suter but I also don’t think he’s going to come as cheap as you think. They’ll be a market for him. 

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12 minutes ago, cross16 said:

I think if the Flames lose Gio and want to replace him cheaper with a FA then they should target Jake McCabe. Should be affordable and is very strong defensively, unlike Suter, and I think would be a good candidates to play either Rasmus and perhaps let his game come back.  Could also complete the loop as the Sabres took McCabe with the pick the Flames gave them in the Regehr trade. 
 

I think he is the better fit for the Flames. Nothing against Suter but I also don’t think he’s going to come as cheap as you think. They’ll be a market for him. 

 

I hear ya, and would only suggest Suter if he came relatively cheap.  In demand, but the top contenders likely won't have money to pay him well.

McCabe, the forgotten Sabre.  I'm a little concerned about his injury, though.  ACL, MCL and meniscus.  Recovery time of 6-8 months.

 

There are other choices I would look at, but ones like Oleksiak will probably get re-signed after the draft.

Not saying he is the best, but he's got some attributes I would like to add to our team.

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The Wings are willing to listen to offers on Bertuzzi. Feisty RFA,26, good size, Lefty LW/RW not afraid to score and they have boatloads of cap space. Thoughts?

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On 7/13/2021 at 11:00 PM, robrob74 said:

 

We should not be spending any assets to keep him. I think if we let Giordano go (expansion draft) then Suter is basically free and possibly cheaper. Is he a huge downgrade to Giordano? I haven't watched him play. On a few million it would be good. Is he good enough to play Top4 still? Maybe. If Valamaki isn't ready to take a step then we need something to go in that #4 slot if Giordano is taken or traded. If Giordano is taken, and we do sign someone like Suter, we would have about 3-4 extra in cap space maybe.

Nope, Sutter is too old hard pass, there are far better options to replace Gio 

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3 hours ago, conundrumed said:

The Wings are willing to listen to offers on Bertuzzi. Feisty RFA,26, good size, Lefty LW/RW not afraid to score and they have boatloads of cap space. Thoughts?


i like the player, not so much the fit here unless they are making other moves. My fear there is what is his contract ask and if Detroit has so much space why arnt they paying him? 
Feels like an overpay is coming 

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22 minutes ago, cross16 said:


i like the player, not so much the fit here unless they are making other moves. My fear there is what is his contract ask and if Detroit has so much space why arnt they paying him? 
Feels like an overpay is coming 

My guess is that his age doesn't fit the plan for the team moving forward. They are building and he'll be 30+ by the time their vision is realized. Might as well get something good for him now while he's still in his mid-20s. They capitalize on that to gain more pieces for their future. Again, just a guess. 

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2 hours ago, lou44291 said:

My guess is that his age doesn't fit the plan for the team moving forward. They are building and he'll be 30+ by the time their vision is realized. Might as well get something good for him now while he's still in his mid-20s. They capitalize on that to gain more pieces for their future. Again, just a guess. 


I don’t think this type of thinking is in the Flames vocabulary. Maybe all of those picks don’t pan out, but getting more chances at building something and at the same age is brilliant. We’ve been chipping away a pick here and there and traded a pick here and there and the fact they’ve not all panned out has created huge holes in vital spots. 
 

we don’t have enough players with high end graduates to the big club often enough. We’ve found NHLers so that’s success. 

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8 hours ago, lou44291 said:

My guess is that his age doesn't fit the plan for the team moving forward. They are building and he'll be 30+ by the time their vision is realized. Might as well get something good for him now while he's still in his mid-20s. They capitalize on that to gain more pieces for their future. Again, just a guess. 


very fair and likely right but still makes him an expensive acquisition For Flames imo for a player that is not a great fit. 

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Yandle, at the appropriate salary level; would make a lot of sense for the Flames if they lose GIo. They could use more offensive from their D and this is the one skill set Yandle still has. 
 

poor defender thought so not sure he and Sutter will get along. 

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3 hours ago, travel_dude said:

Yandle is being bought out.  LD, starting to age but still an ironman.

Busy day for Zito, also signing Forsling (3yrs for $8) and Duclair (3yrs for $9), Some pretty tidy deals.

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I don't know if there are deals to be had. A lot of our guys seem to be undervalued right now. With Monahan coming off surgery, what will that look like? Johnny might get re-signed. Is Tkachuk the actual one to be dealt? Be tough to replicate what he does, unless youre getting a good equal RW in return, or Eichel.

 

If we got Eichel, do we think that Monahan would be a good PP specialist and playing on the wing. He wouldn't need as much speed coming from the wing. 

He has one of the best shots in the league. 

Or do we move Lindholm to RW to make up for the lack of them? 
 

I think. signing Palmieri if he'd come would be good. Would it be worth it to take a flyer on Ryan? How about Armia on the 3rd line?

 

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52 minutes ago, cross16 said:

Yandle, at the appropriate salary level; would make a lot of sense for the Flames if they lose GIo. They could use more offensive from their D and this is the one skill set Yandle still has. 
 

poor defender thought so not sure he and Sutter will get along. 

I agree with this. He'll sign cheap to a contender with already solid D methinks. Carolina if Hamilton goes, maybe.

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Why is everyone thinking about all theses old players…be smart and think under 30 otherwise we may as well protect Gio…

 

there are plenty of better options around and maybe we can shed some dead weight too, shed, NOT take on more of it.

 

I really hope BT is not considering any of these antique players everyone is suggesting.

 

 

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1 minute ago, robrob74 said:

I don't know if there are deals to be had. A lot of our guys seem to be undervalued right now. With Monahan coming off surgery, what will that look like? Johnny might get re-signed. Is Tkachuk the actual one to be dealt? Be tough to replicate what he does, unless youre getting a good equal RW in return, or Eichel.

 

If we got Eichel, do we think that Monahan would be a good PP specialist and playing on the wing. He wouldn't need as much speed coming from the wing. 

He has one of the best shots in the league. 

Or do we move Lindholm to RW to make up for the lack of them? 
 

I think. signing Palmieri if he'd come would be good. Would it be worth it to take a flyer on Ryan? How about Armia on the 3rd line?

 

Not an Armia fan, for the record. We could keep our top guys, but need the Krakk to select Gio. Need some space to add. I'd move Backlund for a solid prospect for a little more space too.

Our hands are fairly tied to improve on the roster much it seems.

 

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2 minutes ago, MP5029 said:

Why is everyone thinking about all theses old players…be smart and think under 30 otherwise we may as well protect Gio…

 

there are plenty of better options around and maybe we can shed some dead weight too, shed, NOT take on more of it.

 

I really hope BT is not considering any of these antique players everyone is suggesting.

 

 

Totally with you. I could handle being bad with younger players, not older roster fillers.

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2 minutes ago, MP5029 said:

Why is everyone thinking about all theses old players…be smart and think under 30 otherwise we may as well protect Gio…

 

there are plenty of better options around and maybe we can shed some dead weight too, shed, NOT take on more of it.

 

I really hope BT is not considering any of these antique players everyone is suggesting.

 

 

 

Protecting Gio, you lose Tanev, our best defender last season. 

I just think this team is in either go for it now mode, or sell the farm. 

 

I think Palmieri and Armia might be the only two I'd be willing to go after...  I just don't see BT's marching orders being rebuild or retool. It's win now. 

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6 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Not an Armia fan, for the record. We could keep our top guys, but need the Krakk to select Gio. Need some space to add. I'd move Backlund for a solid prospect for a little more space too.

Our hands are fairly tied to improve on the roster much it seems.

 

 

I agree, and I just don't see trades to improve happening. They'll be hockey deals, but we aren't adding through trade unless BT trades away futures, like 1sts, 2nds and prospects.

 

I just wish we had the cajones to do what Yzerman does. Sure, they skip on some players, they still built a juggernaut in Tampa. And Detroit might be doing that now too. 

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2 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

Protecting Gio, you lose Tanev, our best defender last season. 

I just think this team is in either go for it now mode, or sell the farm. 

 

I think Palmieri and Armia might be the only two I'd be willing to go after...  I just don't see BT's marching orders being rebuild or retool. It's win now. 

Realistically, that just isn't happening no matter what gets done. Teams are built, not bought.

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1 minute ago, conundrumed said:

Realistically, that just isn't happening no matter what gets done. Teams are built, not bought.

 

Oh Definitely! And I am just thinking that the orders are to be a playoff team and get in any way you can. Right now we are a cusp in and out team and will remain that way until the team changes their philosophy.

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1 minute ago, robrob74 said:

 

I agree, and I just don't see trades to improve happening. They'll be hockey deals, but we aren't adding through trade unless BT trades away futures, like 1sts, 2nds and prospects.

 

I just wish we had the cajones to do what Yzerman does. Sure, they skip on some players, they still built a juggernaut in Tampa. And Detroit might be doing that now too. 

Yup. They are. Yzerman's building his stash and waiting. Raymond, Veleno and Seider are legit. He's just sitting waiting. I doubt even Larkin's untouchable right now.

But Stevie gets his overpays. See Mantha lol.

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3 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Yup. They are. Yzerman's building his stash and waiting. Raymond, Veleno and Seider are legit. He's just sitting waiting. I doubt even Larkin's untouchable right now.

But Stevie gets his overpays. See Mantha lol.

 

Yup! Is it Yzerman selling to the organization or the organization seeking Yzerman because he can do what it takes? I find it funny how when we call out our gm they say, everyone has misses or this or that. Then when you give a gm accolades, they're like they missed these players before they drafted them.... They still drafted them and played their cards right. 

 

I think you look at what teams have in their systems, it's a game of poker but their cards that they have in the organization are seen. So you evaluate an organizations needs and who's left on the board... That's good gambling. 

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1 hour ago, cross16 said:

Yandle, at the appropriate salary level; would make a lot of sense for the Flames if they lose GIo. They could use more offensive from their D and this is the one skill set Yandle still has. 
 

poor defender thought so not sure he and Sutter will get along. 

 

PP specialist or offensive D-man.  We are missing that from the lineup.

I can't see Yandle being as expensive as Barrie, and actually is a better risk in my mind.

Older, but an ironman.

 

The advantage of him is here is young enough that you don't risk a recapture penalty.

Or you offer a short enough deal that you can flip him at TDL.

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8 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

Yup! Is it Yzerman selling to the organization or the organization seeking Yzerman because he can do what it takes? I find it funny how when we call out our gm they say, everyone has misses or this or that. Then when you give a gm accolades, they're like they missed these players before they drafted them.... They still drafted them and played their cards right. 

 

I think you look at what teams have in their systems, it's a game of poker but their cards that they have in the organization are seen. So you evaluate an organizations needs and who's left on the board... That's good gambling. 

Everyone misses and everyone gets lucky, it is what it is you judge someone's whole body of work instead of a pick by pick basis.  Gaudreau was a great pick, nobody is praising Feaster.  Yzerman made a great pick with Point and Cirelli, but obviously he felt in both cases 3 guys were better and in both cases was wrong.  Yzerman has been a great GM but I don't think he pisses gold, man has got lucky at times, Drouin wasn't a good pick for #3, turned him into a great asset in Sergachev.  The team is still paying Lecavalier for another 7 years he just caught a break with the compliance buyouts, not every GM has had that luxury.  I'm not going to debate who is better because there is no debate, but in drafting alone there is only 1 player that BT could've had that Yzerman took that I think would make a significant difference to this team and thats Point.  It's not like we'd be better with Mathieu Joseph instead of Andrew Mangiapane.

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