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3 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

Hyman doesn't have half the hands of Mangiapane.  He's a hard working grinder who is willing to go into the corners and he enjoyed a stats boost from Matthews.  He's like Pascal Dupuis for Crosby.  If Hyman comes here and we don't have Eichel by then, man we are going to regret signing him.

 

I don't really agree, but whatever.  I think he is better than what we see in TO.

He gets whatever scraps are left after the top guys finish with the puck.

 

But, he iis also not my first choice.

A lot of players could do much better here.

We need RW, not a LW that shoots tight.

Depending on who we have at C, we may need a setup guy.

Tarasenko would be good, but he's broken I think.

And a contract that butts up against our big name ones.

Maybe we can get him for a song.

 

I am interested in what ARI would want for Garland.

He's a smaller version of Hyman at a lower cost.

 

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I got to be honest,  95% of the suggestions in here or more, we would regret.  

 

Almost all UFA signings, end in regret.

 

Asset management is hard.   I am hard on Flames management and I think I should be, and it is warranted.

 

But then you look at the stuff Edmonton does (weeee Duncan Keith), and it does provide perspective.

 

Then you look in the suggestions here (sorry) and it provides even more perspective. 

 

I have some choice translations of the UFA abbreviation.   It's a club killer.

 

It's almost comical how everything we talk about in here is improvements for the immediate term, next season.   Spoiler alert:  We're going to bomb next season.

 

Almost 0% of the time is a move projected that looks 5-10 years out and is a value add over that span.

 

The Flames should brand  a credit card with 30% interest if they really want to appeal to their base,  it would be wildly popular.   They could follow it up with Flames Payday Loans 

 

The only UFA I am interested in right now are the unknowns.   The undrafted 2019/2020 players.   PTOs/KHL/SHL etc.   That's where the value is.

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Another team without expansion issues lands a D.

 

I thought ARI, OTT, NJ, NYR and DET could handle a Gio trade. Obviously, DET and NJ have been able to get some business done, acquiring Leddy and Graves repsectively.

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30 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Another team without expansion issues lands a D.

 

I thought ARI, OTT, NJ, NYR and DET could handle a Gio trade. Obviously, DET and NJ have been able to get some business done, acquiring Leddy and Graves repsectively.

 

I guess it's also because they have no protection issues as well. 

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2 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

I guess it's also because they have no protection issues as well. 

Those teams I listed would have struggled to find 3 D on their roster worth protecting

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Danault is apparently hitting free agency. If there was anyway to offload Backlund, he’s the guy I’d like to replace him with. Not a big goal scorer, but handles defensive responsibilities exceptionally well and most of his points are assists - he’s a good puck distributer. Now, he allegedly turned down a 6 x $5m offer from the canadiens last Sept. These numbers haven’t been confirmed, however. Again, if there’s a way to offload Backlund to bring Danault here, I’m all for it. Think MTL would take Backlund for Danault + a pick (where the pick will be a late rounder unless Danault doesn’t sign with us then it becomes an early rounder? Would you risk it? 
 

As for RW, apparently Kapanen may not be protected by the Penguins. He’s been one of my targets. Rackell I also feel would be an incredible add - he’s personally my favorite to come in for RW. Backup goalie - BSD. It’s a no brainer, and him not getting any playing time in TO likely sunk his value as well. Defence…. is Colorado protecting Zadorov? Oleksiak? We need some big and mean D back there. 

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13 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I don't really agree, but whatever.  I think he is better than what we see in TO.

He gets whatever scraps are left after the top guys finish with the puck.

 

But, he iis also not my first choice.

A lot of players could do much better here.

We need RW, not a LW that shoots tight.

Depending on who we have at C, we may need a setup guy.

Tarasenko would be good, but he's broken I think.

And a contract that butts up against our big name ones.

Maybe we can get him for a song.

 

I am interested in what ARI would want for Garland.

He's a smaller version of Hyman at a lower cost.

 

If its Garland or Hyman we take Hyman we dont need another small forward

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2 minutes ago, tmac70 said:

If its Garland or Hyman we take Hyman we dont need another small forward

 

You mean like Coleman?

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4 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Another team without expansion issues lands a D.

 

I thought ARI, OTT, NJ, NYR and DET could handle a Gio trade. Obviously, DET and NJ have been able to get some business done, acquiring Leddy and Graves repsectively.


Detroit traded Panik at 50% plus a 2nd.

The 2nd would have been nice, but I suspect Gio would need to waive to go there.

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12 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

You mean like Coleman?

Yes, a have no issues with smaller guys but there is a diffeance between a guy 5 ft 9 who is 185-190 vs a guy 5 ft 7'and 150. 

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8 hours ago, travel_dude said:


Detroit traded Panik at 50% plus a 2nd.

The 2nd would have been nice, but I suspect Gio would need to waive to go there.

The Flames only have 4 D under contract. They need to expose one D that has a deal for 2021. I don’t think they can trade Gio as they won’t meet the exposure requirements.

 

Theyd have to sign Stone or take back a D that they would be fine exposing 

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36 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

The Flames only have 4 D under contract. They need to expose one D that has a deal for 2021. I don’t think they can trade Gio as they won’t meet the exposure requirements.

 

Theyd have to sign Stone or take back a D that they would be fine exposing 


signing Kylington would work too, although Stone likely the easier of the two. 
 

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These boards are kind of all over the map right now, and I know there is a lot of Hyman Hype right now. But if we’re talking $6 mil / year on a long term contract. Wouldn’t that money be better put to someone like Reinhart? What is the trade ask for him right now? Would Dube and a 2nd be enough? Could we do a sign and trade and do something like $5.5 x 8? I feel like it could be a second Lindholm for the team? Does it make too much sense for the flames to make a move like that? Please let Vancity or the  Coilers give big money to Hyman.

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If Hyman is going to get 6AAVwhy is Reinhart going to sign for less? Reinhart is UFA next year so you don’t really have a lot of leverage there so he’s going to need a big contract. At least Hyman doesn’t cost you trade assets plus a hefty contract.
 

I’m actually not a fan of pursuing either and I think both are going to wind up with bad contracts. Reinhart would be the safer investment of money but when combined with the trade assets it would likely take I don’t see it being worthwhile. 
 

I don’t think Hyman is going to get the money being rumored but if given the choose I’d take Hyman and the ufa route. 

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34 minutes ago, cross16 said:

If Hyman is going to get 6AAVwhy is Reinhart going to sign for less? Reinhart is UFA next year so you don’t really have a lot of leverage there so he’s going to need a big contract. At least Hyman doesn’t cost you trade assets plus a hefty contract.
 

I’m actually not a fan of pursuing either and I think both are going to wind up with bad contracts. Reinhart would be the safer investment of money but when combined with the trade assets it would likely take I don’t see it being worthwhile. 
 

I don’t think Hyman is going to get the money being rumored but if given the choose I’d take Hyman and the ufa route. 

I was kind of comparing Reinhart to a similar contract to Joel Erickson-Ek, but after digging in abit more it’s not as close as I thought. I also thought Nuge signing for less would help with a Reinhart contract. My thoughts were getting a younger player whose RH who can play on the wing or center is not a bad asset to have. 

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12 hours ago, tmac70 said:

Yes, a have no issues with smaller guys but there is a diffeance between a guy 5 ft 9 who is 185-190 vs a guy 5 ft 7'and 150. 

 

I think you need to check the tape.

Coleman an inch taller but heavier.

 

Have you ever watched Garland play?

He's no shrinking violet.

Point taken though.  We chose to re-sign Ritchie, so that should make you happier. 

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Reinhart will cost the 12th pick +. He will also want 6.5+ on a long term deal. The team acquiring him essentially has to sign him long term, because if they don't, Reinhart can head to arb, take a 1yr deal and then be a UFA after 21/22. 

 

The Flames aren't in a position to give up the assets required for a player like Reinhart. 

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3 minutes ago, pikey7883 said:

I was kind of comparing Reinhart to a similar contract to Joel Erickson-Ek, but after digging in abit more it’s not as close as I thought. I also thought Nuge signing for less would help with a Reinhart contract. My thoughts were getting a younger player whose RH who can play on the wing or center is not a bad asset to have. 

 

If Monahan was coming up for a new deal, he wouldn't get Nuge money.

Reinhart is sorta in the same ballpark.

Think over 7.

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1 hour ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Reinhart will cost the 12th pick +. He will also want 6.5+ on a long term deal. The team acquiring him essentially has to sign him long term, because if they don't, Reinhart can head to arb, take a 1yr deal and then be a UFA after 21/22. 

 

The Flames aren't in a position to give up the assets required for a player like Reinhart. 

 

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

If Monahan was coming up for a new deal, he wouldn't get Nuge money.

Reinhart is sorta in the same ballpark.

Think over 7.

Wow, ok now I want him even more, lol. I didn’t know that was the caliber of player he was, that would garnish a top 15 pick without a deal in place, I hope Buffalo gets that for him then. And I did anticipate it would be a long term deal, I didn’t realize it would start with a $7 on a long term deal in the current flat cap market. Oh well my bad, thanks for answering my questions

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35 minutes ago, pikey7883 said:

 

Wow, ok now I want him even more, lol. I didn’t know that was the caliber of player he was, that would garnish a top 15 pick without a deal in place, I hope Buffalo gets that for him then. And I did anticipate it would be a long term deal, I didn’t realize it would start with a $7 on a long term deal in the current flat cap market. Oh well my bad, thanks for answering my questions

 

I would say more underrated than that calibre.

His points don't look that impressive, but he didn't get a Monahan/MacKinnon/Schefeile level deal last time.

He got a bridge deal.

He may or may not be worth 7x7, but I think that is a reasonable deal.

The flat cap is what it is, but does not predict future value.

Heiskanen just signed 8x8.64m.

 

The biggest issue to the cap is that teams aren't making money again yet.

But we are looking at paying Gaudreau more than what he signed for and Tkchuk needing $9m for a QO.

Bargains are out there, but more for the unknowns and older guys that have already made their money.

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7 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

I would say more underrated than that calibre.

His points don't look that impressive, but he didn't get a Monahan/MacKinnon/Schefeile level deal last time.

He got a bridge deal.

He may or may not be worth 7x7, but I think that is a reasonable deal.

The flat cap is what it is, but does not predict future value.

Heiskanen just signed 8x8.64m.

 

The biggest issue to the cap is that teams aren't making money again yet.

But we are looking at paying Gaudreau more than what he signed for and Tkchuk needing $9m for a QO.

Bargains are out there, but more for the unknowns and older guys that have already made their money.

If $7 x 7 is a reasonable deal for him, what I was trying to say is on a sign and trade I’d rather go $6.125 x 8, same money, we just get one more year with less cap. And yes I know the QO for Tkachuk is a bit of an anchor for this team, not the player, but the cap hit. But going back to what brew said, I’m not willing to part with 12OA if that’s the ask from Buffalo

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Gio not on the move prior to the freeze. Flames can still negotiate with Seattle however if Flames want to keep him  

 

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Shouldn’t the protection lists be in to the NHL/NHLPA by now? 
 

id really like to see who BT protected and who he didn’t…it would give a bit of an idea as to where his mindset is leading into the draft and FA…maybe, but just saying I’m sure we all want to know if he picked Gio or Tanev to be unprotected or if he went off board and say left Hanifin unprotected…probably not but never know with BT 

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58 minutes ago, MP5029 said:

Shouldn’t the protection lists be in to the NHL/NHLPA by now? 
 

id really like to see who BT protected and who he didn’t…it would give a bit of an idea as to where his mindset is leading into the draft and FA…maybe, but just saying I’m sure we all want to know if he picked Gio or Tanev to be unprotected or if he went off board and say left Hanifin unprotected…probably not but never know with BT 

They'll be revealed tomorrow at 8am mountain time!

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So guys, with Danault not signing in MTL, do you think they’d be interested in Backlund as a replacement? Same role. Similar contract to what was offered to Danault. in return we ask for the rights to Danault and a pick? 
 

I think Backlund would waive to go to recent cup contenders. And I think it’s time we move on from him. 

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