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Flames were in-on Dillon at the TDL before the pandemic last year. I'd imagine they had interest again. High price to pay though and it's known that WSH needs to dump money for the Ovi extension.

 

Also a side note, the Jets wanted Schmidt, but he did not waive his modified no-trade.

 

Back to the Flames, I almost think they have to acquire a top 4 D via trade. The LHD UFA market is so bare. 

Martinez and Nemeth already have deals.

Suter/Yandle/Goligoski won't come to Canada. 

 

Alex Edler, Ryan Murray, Derek Forbort, Mike Reilly are the top of players the Flames could have a chance at.

 

Also worth noting, Frank Seravalli mentioned he thinks CGY has interest in Tyson Barrie. They've had interest for a few seasons now, it would seem they want someone to run the PP. 

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7 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Flames were in-on Dillon at the TDL before the pandemic last year. I'd imagine they had interest again. High price to pay though and it's known that WSH needs to dump money for the Ovi extension.

 

Also a side note, the Jets wanted Schmidt, but he did not waive his modified no-trade.

 

Back to the Flames, I almost think they have to acquire a top 4 D via trade. The LHD UFA market is so bare. 

Martinez and Nemeth already have deals.

Suter/Yandle/Goligoski won't come to Canada. 

 

Alex Edler, Ryan Murray, Derek Forbort, Mike Reilly are the top of players the Flames could have a chance at.

 

Also worth noting, Frank Seravalli mentioned he thinks CGY has interest in Tyson Barrie. They've had interest for a few seasons now, it would seem they want someone to run the PP. 

Fine if you want a RD for the PP, but we also need depth on the LD side.

Perhaps they feel Mackie and Valimaki are fine in the 2 and 3 spot.

But someone would need to play with Barrie.

Mackie probably is the best fit.

But is that the right setup?

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9 hours ago, travel_dude said:

Fine if you want a RD for the PP, but we also need depth on the LD side.

Perhaps they feel Mackie and Valimaki are fine in the 2 and 3 spot.

But someone would need to play with Barrie.

Mackie probably is the best fit.

But is that the right setup?

Nope I don’t think it is the right setup whatsoever…

 

It’s  not just the LD side that needs to be added to, we need 2 D one for each side, this is where Montour if at the right price would help a lot…

 

Hanifin/Tanev

Valimaki/Anderson 

****????/Montour 

 

MacKey 

Kylington***
 

maybe they could even get away with just a Montour FA signing here, he’s a veteran but not too old just yet, may be able to help develop Kylington into a more well rounded and stable D and or MacKey  

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51 minutes ago, MP5029 said:

Nope I don’t think it is the right setup whatsoever…

 

It’s  not just the LD side that needs to be added to, we need 2 D one for each side, this is where Montour if at the right price would help a lot…

 

Hanifin/Tanev

Valimaki/Anderson 

****????/Montour 

 

MacKey 

Kylington***
 

maybe they could even get away with just a Montour FA signing here, he’s a veteran but not too old just yet, may be able to help develop Kylington into a more well rounded and stable D and or MacKey  

 

I don't see Montour as a cheap 3rd pairing guy.

A top 2 RD to move Tanev down?

Sure, but that's not a pressing need considering our cap situation.

I only mentioned Barrier because we lack a PP specialist.

We need to replace a top 4 LD at present.

Valimaki could get there, but I can't project at this point.

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I think the Barrie interest feels a bit lazy to me. Flames have long been rumored to have interest but I think that ship sailed when they signed Tanev. Barrie would be their 3rd best RS dman so I don't see them committing the type of $ it's going to take to get him. If he has to settle for another 1 year deal it could make sense but at the same time Sutter would hate him so i'm still not sure I see it. 

 

Honestly, Nate Schmidt would be an ideal acquisition in terms of skill set and he should be relatively affordable. Just not sure Van would trade him in the division 

 

For Fa it is basically down to Edler or Jake McCabe if your looking for a top 4 LS dman. Options fall off quite a bit after that IMO. 

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20 hours ago, ABC923 said:

I get the love for Eichel, but he's been with Buffalo for a while and they are still a dumpster fire. Why should it be any different here, especially minus the guys we would have to give up to get him?

 

I get people are risk adverse and that's fine, but are we seriously going to look at the rosters of the Sabres and the Flames and say that adding a player like Eichel is going to lead to the same results? Did ROR have the same results when he left Buffalo?

 

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17 minutes ago, cross16 said:

I think the Barrie interest feels a bit lazy to me. Flames have long been rumored to have interest but I think that ship sailed when they signed Tanev. Barrie would be their 3rd best RS dman so I don't see them committing the type of $ it's going to take to get him. If he has to settle for another 1 year deal it could make sense but at the same time Sutter would hate him so i'm still not sure I see it. 

 

Honestly, Nate Schmidt would be an ideal acquisition in terms of skill set and he should be relatively affordable. Just not sure Van would trade him in the division 

 

For Fa it is basically down to Edler or Jake McCabe if your looking for a top 4 LS dman. Options fall off quite a bit after that IMO. 

 

Schmidt seemed ideal, but that contract is a little scary, considering what we just cleared off the books.

McCabe as a FA fits the bill.

Dunne in trade seems to be an option, though I don't know if Seattle does that.

Young player with decent numbers in STL and can play RD or LD.

Should be cheaper than Schmidt.

Prospect + one of our 2nds?

Maybe they might like Kylington.

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One source has the Pens talking to the Flames about Lucic.

Burkie loves Looch.

As much as the cap hurts us, the player doesn't make us worse.

Sometimes his usage does.

Sometimes he is a negative out there.

Sometimes he is exactly what this teams needs.

 

I don't make the trade for cap reasons, I make it to make us better.

The contract stings, but is not the reason why we were not a playoff team.

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8 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

One source has the Pens talking to the Flames about Lucic.

Burkie loves Looch.

As much as the cap hurts us, the player doesn't make us worse.

Sometimes his usage does.

Sometimes he is a negative out there.

Sometimes he is exactly what this teams needs.

 

I don't make the trade for cap reasons, I make it to make us better.

The contract stings, but is not the reason why we were not a playoff team.


Agreed TD. I like Looch quite a bit. For those that don’t, his cap really makes it even more sour for them. If Pit is interested, I see no reason not to do it. Heck, retain $1m in salary if you have to. I don’t suppose there’s any talk of what a return could possibly look like eh? 
 

 

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15 minutes ago, lou44291 said:


Agreed TD. I like Looch quite a bit. For those that don’t, his cap really makes it even more sour for them. If Pit is interested, I see no reason not to do it. Heck, retain $1m in salary if you have to. I don’t suppose there’s any talk of what a return could possibly look like eh? 
 

 

 

No idea of return.  The blogger does seem to have a lot of followers, so it may have some credibility to it.

Then again, there are so many that have followers, it's nothing.  

Did say nothing was close.

 

This is going to be a weird summer.

Landeskog headed for FA.

Suter available.

Eichel noise.

Some re-signed D making bank.

Hyman getting 7 years.

Middle 6 players getting squeezed out and not offered qualifying offers:

Pius Suter, Ritchie, Heinen, Kase, Kahun, Donato...

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9 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

No idea of return.  The blogger does seem to have a lot of followers, so it may have some credibility to it.

Then again, there are so many that have followers, it's nothing.  

Did say nothing was close.

 

This is going to be a weird summer.

Landeskog headed for FA.

Suter available.

Eichel noise.

Some re-signed D making bank.

Hyman getting 7 years.

Middle 6 players getting squeezed out and not offered qualifying offers:

Pius Suter, Ritchie, Heinen, Kase, Kahun, Donato...

 

Don't forget the Fleury to Chicago, and all of a sudden Vegas has Eichel money available. 

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4 minutes ago, lou44291 said:

 

Don't forget the Fleury to Chicago, and all of a sudden Vegas has Eichel money available. 

 

Less of a rumor now.

That gives VGK 12m but they have only 5D, 12F and 1G signed.

Martinez will get $5m likely.

They would need to send a player like Tuch along with picks.

 

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2 hours ago, cross16 said:

I think the Barrie interest feels a bit lazy to me. Flames have long been rumored to have interest but I think that ship sailed when they signed Tanev. Barrie would be their 3rd best RS dman so I don't see them committing the type of $ it's going to take to get him. If he has to settle for another 1 year deal it could make sense but at the same time Sutter would hate him so i'm still not sure I see it. 

 

Honestly, Nate Schmidt would be an ideal acquisition in terms of skill set and he should be relatively affordable. Just not sure Van would trade him in the division 

 

For Fa it is basically down to Edler or Jake McCabe if your looking for a top 4 LS dman. Options fall off quite a bit after that IMO. 


ya, if we sign a Barrie or Montour that means paying a 3rd pairing player at about 3-4m per when we should be 1-1.5…

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1 hour ago, lou44291 said:


Agreed TD. I like Looch quite a bit. For those that don’t, his cap really makes it even more sour for them. If Pit is interested, I see no reason not to do it. Heck, retain $1m in salary if you have to. I don’t suppose there’s any talk of what a return could possibly look like eh? 
 

 


hell, I might be inclined to retain $2M 

 

but then the cost there basically makes you pay possibly $2-3M to fill his role. May as well just keep him. So a $1M might be the right retain value. 
 

For me, I think I get why the coaches like him, and I like it too, his compete and try… but for the minutes on the PP, would giving that to maybe Mangiapane be more beneficial to the team?

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2 minutes ago, robrob74 said:


hell, I might be inclined to retain $2M 

 

but then the cost there basically makes you pay possibly $2-3M to fill his role. May as well just keep him. So a $1M might be the right retain value. 
 

For me, I think I get why the coaches like him, and I like it too, his compete and try… but for the minutes on the PP, would giving that to maybe Mangiapane be more beneficial to the team?

 

Oh absolutely Rob. Deployment on the PP has been an issue of mine when it comes to Looch. The only thing I can really think of as to why, would be that we don't have the right personnel on the team who are willing to go to the front of the net for a goal. It's true our team is very perimeter the way we play. Looch has no issue parking himself in front of the net. One way or another, we need players that are willing to do what it takes to win hockey games. 

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2 minutes ago, robrob74 said:


hell, I might be inclined to retain $2M 

 

but then the cost there basically makes you pay possibly $2-3M to fill his role. May as well just keep him. So a $1M might be the right retain value. 
 

For me, I think I get why the coaches like him, and I like it too, his compete and try… but for the minutes on the PP, would giving that to maybe Mangiapane be more beneficial to the team?

 

His usage is more perplexing than anything else.

What would PITTS even offer?

Zucker - almost equal contracts, but he hasn't been a 30 goal guy in years.

Kapanen - why does PITTS do this?

 

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1 hour ago, robrob74 said:


hell, I might be inclined to retain $2M 

 

but then the cost there basically makes you pay possibly $2-3M to fill his role. May as well just keep him. So a $1M might be the right retain value. 
 

For me, I think I get why the coaches like him, and I like it too, his compete and try… but for the minutes on the PP, would giving that to maybe Mangiapane be more beneficial to the team?

Mangiapane played more time on the PP than Lucic did by over 15 minutes.  The 2nd unit was not very productive (first unit wasn't really either), but Lucic with only 2 points over 83 minutes of PP time wasn't very effective.

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I wonder if Nick Ritchie will sign to play for the same team as his bro.

Has tools, though he is a LHS.

Ideal if we were to use Lucic on a 4th line.

 

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43 minutes ago, sak22 said:

Mangiapane played more time on the PP than Lucic did by over 15 minutes.  The 2nd unit was not very productive (first unit wasn't really either), but Lucic with only 2 points over 83 minutes of PP time wasn't very effective.


yup,

 

and like Lou said up top there, that usage could be a big thing with this team and to further your point about the lack of PP success. 
 

I wonder what the goal rate is when they set up Lindholm in the shooter position on the left of the slot for a one timer in comparison to him playing the right side same spot? It seems he got 2-3 goals from that spot alone and set up there maybe 6 or 7 times throughout the year. I am no mathematician but that’s about 35-40% success rate. But teams would adjust… but still, having that danger could open space. 
 

we need to have players that can play there… 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, robrob74 said:


yup,

 

and like Lou said up top there, that usage could be a big thing with this team and to further your point about the lack of PP success. 
 

I wonder what the goal rate is when they set up Lindholm in the shooter position on the left of the slot for a one timer in comparison to him playing the right side same spot? It seems he got 2-3 goals from that spot alone and set up there maybe 6 or 7 times throughout the year. I am no mathematician but that’s about 35-40% success rate. But teams would adjust… but still, having that danger could open space. 
 

we need to have players that can play there… 

 

 

 

Looch depends on pucks getting on net with some garbage to clean up, or cross-crease tap ins.

That 2nd unit was bad.

While I agree with you about Lindy on the off wing, that also requires Johnny on the wrong wing.

 

I think we need to rethink the whole PP personnel decisions.

Gaudreau in the bumper spot works.

But Gio was not effective with the puck.

Having Monahan in the slot and Tkachuk on the RW wasn't great either.

 

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Is it possible the Flames can do a Lucic for Zucker deal? Hasn't been a great fit in PIT, but he does have a 10 team no-list, would he tempted to waive? PIT did expose him in the expansion draft.

 

Both players have 2yrs left, Zucker is due 11.25 in real dollars, Lucic is due 9. 

 

Burkie is in PIT, by the way

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I don't get teams helping out Tampa.

VAN did it with giving up a 1st for JT Miller.

CHI just traded Seabrooke's contract for Tyler Johnson and a 2nd.

 

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