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The tough part is Ottawa is sort of in the same position we are, looking to build with young players.

 

Yea that's the tough part.  The Senators are a budget team and one way to stay on budget is to amass youth on value contracts.  I'm sure they'd like to trade us Milan Michalek for something like Morgan Klimchuk if we are up for it.

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Did you miss the word "Realistic" ?

lol..  yes the realistic homer trade  :lol:

 

Wideman plus draft pick to be named later

 

to Ducks for

 

Getzlaf & Perry

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-are-the-flames-shopping~736286

 

Sounds like Buffalo might have interest in Wideman. I am not sure there is a fit there, but maybe they would be willing to move Zemgus Girgensons. They O'Reilly and Eichel already and they have moved Sam Reinhart to the wing to get him into the lineup. Moving Girgensons opens up a spot for Reinhart to move to center where he is more comfortable.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-are-the-flames-shopping~736286

 

Sounds like Buffalo might have interest in Wideman. I am not sure there is a fit there, but maybe they would be willing to move Zemgus Girgensons. They O'Reilly and Eichel already and they have moved Sam Reinhart to the wing to get him into the lineup. Moving Girgensons opens up a spot for Reinhart to move to center where he is more comfortable.

 

Good to hear the Sabres are interested in Wideman but the last thing the Flames need is another Center.  We need scoring wingers.

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Sounds like Buffalo might have interest in Wideman. I am not sure there is a fit there, but maybe they would be willing to move Zemgus Girgensons. They O'Reilly and Eichel already and they have moved Sam Reinhart to the wing to get him into the lineup. Moving Girgensons opens up a spot for Reinhart to move to center where he is more comfortable.

I would take Sam Reinhart in a heartbeat for Wideman.

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I would take Sam Reinhart in a heartbeat for Wideman.

Key word 'realistic.' Would you trade Sam Bennett for Wideman? Then why would Buffalo trade Rheinhart?

Girgensons for Wides with Salary retained may be a bit more realistic, but I think Russell fits better for Buffalo.

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Steve Lloyd (@TSNSteveLloyd) tweeted at 8:30 AM on Wed, Oct 28, 2015:

Fire up the rumour mill @SunGarrioch!!! Murray chatting with Treliving as they watch the Sens morning skate.

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Steve Lloyd (@TSNSteveLloyd) tweeted at 8:30 AM on Wed, Oct 28, 2015:

Fire up the rumour mill @SunGarrioch!!! Murray chatting with Treliving as they watch the Sens morning skate.

 

If we're talking to Buffalo, then I hope Ramo or Hiller is part of discussions. 

 

In terms of Wideman, the Sabres have Ristolainen, RHS RD, who is their stud.  They also signed Cody Franson RHS RD over the summer.  Mark Pysyk is also a RHS RD who is breaking into the NHL.  Do they really want to add Wideman at his price tag to play RHS RD?  It doesn't make sense in terms of team needs.  Of all teams who are hungry for a RHS RD, the Sabres should be the least interested in Wideman.

 

The other name floating around is Girgensons because the Sabres have "too many Centers".  Yes, because the Flames are in dire need of Centers themselves.  Right?  The Flames need to trade away the only Dman who's played consistent this season for something the Flames don't need more of.  Unless the Sabres want to swap for Backlund or Stajan, Girgensons makes no sense.

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If we're talking to Buffalo, then I hope Ramo or Hiller is part of discussions. 

 

In terms of Wideman, the Sabres have Ristolainen, RHS RD, who is their stud.  They also signed Cody Franson RHS RD over the summer.  Mark Pysyk is also a RHS RD who is breaking into the NHL.  Do they really want to add Wideman at his price tag to play RHS RD?  It doesn't make sense in terms of team needs.  Of all teams who are hungry for a RHS RD, the Sabres should be the least interested in Wideman.

 

The other name floating around is Girgensons because the Sabres have "too many Centers".  Yes, because the Flames are in dire need of Centers themselves.  Right?  The Flames need to trade away the only Dman who's played consistent this season for something the Flames don't need more of.  Unless the Sabres want to swap for Backlund or Stajan, Girgensons makes no sense.

Murray is the GM for Ottawa.  Considering the source, they could just be chatting about his battles with cancer.  Garrioch is like Eklund.

 

Ottawa is intriguing, though.  I would give up Backlund for Zibanejad in a heartbeat.  Add Russell and take back Weircioch.  

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Murray is the GM for Ottawa.  Considering the source, they could just be chatting about his battles with cancer.  Garrioch is like Eklund.

 

Ottawa is intriguing, though.  I would give up Backlund for Zibanejad in a heartbeat.  Add Russell and take back Weircioch.  

 

I don't think Backlund plus Russell gets you Zibanejad alone.

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Murray is the GM for Ottawa.  Considering the source, they could just be chatting about his battles with cancer.  Garrioch is like Eklund.

 

Ottawa is intriguing, though.  I would give up Backlund for Zibanejad in a heartbeat.  Add Russell and take back Weircioch.  

 

Sorry I thought Tim Murray GM of the Sabres.

 

But again, I think a cap cautios team like the Senators will want to do something like Milan Michalek for Morgan Klimchuk.  Young players offer value to their contracts.  They may even offer Michalek for Wideman.  To me, Alex Chiasson is intriguing because he has enjoyed offensive spurts here and there but just hasn't put it together for long stretches of time.  He's maybe a name in the mix.

 

Zibanejad has not lived up to expectations.  It's a buy low opportunity for us but the ceiling is not as high as it used to be.

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I wonder if Pittsburgh would work as a trade partner. The are pretty weak at defense, and have a plethora of scoring wingers. A Wideman for Perron deal makes sense for both sides.

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Key word 'realistic.' Would you trade Sam Bennett for Wideman? Then why would Buffalo trade Rheinhart?

Girgensons for Wides with Salary retained may be a bit more realistic, but I think Russell fits better for Buffalo.

I didn't say they would, just addressing the rumor mill.

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I wonder if Pittsburgh would work as a trade partner. The are pretty weak at defense, and have a plethora of scoring wingers. A Wideman for Perron deal makes sense for both sides.

 

He was next to useless for the Pengies last year, and they would love to get rid of him.  Is that someone that really would make us better or is this another Mason Raymond situation, where his game has fallen off a cliff.  Don't know, but don't see him as an answer, especially for Wideman.  He is a pending UFA and is already making $4.5m.  We don't need that added contract pressure for next year.

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He was next to useless for the Pengies last year, and they would love to get rid of him.  Is that someone that really would make us better or is this another Mason Raymond situation, where his game has fallen off a cliff.  Don't know, but don't see him as an answer, especially for Wideman.  He is a pending UFA and is already making $4.5m.  We don't need that added contract pressure for next year.

Beau Bennett for Wideman I would do.

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Beau Bennett for Wideman I would do.

 

I hear ya.  That is probably almost as unlikely as Zibanejad, though.  They are really high on that kid.

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If we're talking to Buffalo, then I hope Ramo or Hiller is part of discussions.

In terms of Wideman, the Sabres have Ristolainen, RHS RD, who is their stud. They also signed Cody Franson RHS RD over the summer. Mark Pysyk is also a RHS RD who is breaking into the NHL. Do they really want to add Wideman at his price tag to play RHS RD? It doesn't make sense in terms of team needs. Of all teams who are hungry for a RHS RD, the Sabres should be the least interested in Wideman.

The other name floating around is Girgensons because the Sabres have "too many Centers". Yes, because the Flames are in dire need of Centers themselves. Right? The Flames need to trade away the only Dman who's played consistent this season for something the Flames don't need more of. Unless the Sabres want to swap for Backlund or Stajan, Girgensons makes no sense.

I wouldn't say we don't need centers. Which one of our own are playing good hockey right now? I know we have a surplus but we could always use Backlund on the wing and he can always play C in a pinch if needed.

Jankowski is doing good, but when will he be ready for the NHL and hopefully he will pan out. At Backlund's rate, he isn't a Flame long term unless. He is often injured and it sounds like he couldn't train during the summer, maybe in fear of injury.

We can totally use another C who could push Top 6-9.

A lot are still unknowns and I think we don't know if players are going to reach their potential. Wil Girgenson? I think we can see about it at least.

Converting C to wing is easier than trying to convert a W to C.

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what I find odd in this conversation is, nobody even scratched the topic how much we DO need more RHS forwards in the lineup, epsecially in the top6.. I`d say we are at LEAST 3 RHS players short, even though we do have couple of them developing in the AHL..

this was something that bothered me last year all season long, we only have 1-2 RHS fwds playing in the lineup on regular basis and frankly, they are not really particularly awesome and in fact, neither Jooris, nor Jones are playing in TOP6..
 

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From what I have watched we need, goalies, better dman and a couple of wingers who can score. If that means that the have played center before I don't care.  We are in a rebuild and I have to keep reminding myself that with last years results. This year has exposed we have many, many many  parts. Top 2 areas of concern  1) Goal tending 2) Offensive top 6 forwards. Scoring is a key piece to winning but keeping it out of your net is more important. Clearly Hiller, Ramo and Ortio are not legit #1.

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Sorry I thought Tim Murray GM of the Sabres.

 

But again, I think a cap cautios team like the Senators will want to do something like Milan Michalek for Morgan Klimchuk.  Young players offer value to their contracts.  They may even offer Michalek for Wideman.  To me, Alex Chiasson is intriguing because he has enjoyed offensive spurts here and there but just hasn't put it together for long stretches of time.  He's maybe a name in the mix.

 

Zibanejad has not lived up to expectations.  It's a buy low opportunity for us but the ceiling is not as high as it used to be.

 

You, I and JTech seem to have opposite views of Zibanejad.  I always thought he hadn't become the player Ottawa was needing, and his 2nd line placement kind of echoed that.  JTech seems too believe that he is someone that is on their untradeable list.

 

Hard to say how he would do in the west, but if he was available, he might be a good fit here.  I didn't notice much of him last night, though.  One shot that I saw and a good SO goal. 

From what I have watched we need, goalies, better dman and a couple of wingers who can score. If that means that the have played center before I don't care.  We are in a rebuild and I have to keep reminding myself that with last years results. This year has exposed we have many, many many  parts. Top 2 areas of concern  1) Goal tending 2) Offensive top 6 forwards. Scoring is a key piece to winning but keeping it out of your net is more important. Clearly Hiller, Ramo and Ortio are not legit #1.

 

Apart from Ortio's two relief games (100% saves), we have seen exactly one game.  Sure we need some more offensive players, but right now nobody is scoring much.  The shoddy (at times) defense seems to sit with one pairing (Russell/Wideman), so I hope we can use one of them in a trade.  If we do, expect to see Engelland and Smid play regularly and lots of minutes.

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Realistically I can't see any trades happening until the deadline or close to it. 

 

If things continue on as is the Flames will be sellers. I am not sure we will be able to move Wideman due to his contract but we can expect Hudler and Jones to go and probably Russell - the return is likely going to be prospects and picks. Make some room and get some of the prospects onto the team

 

I and others jumped the gun on the rebuild being over. The rebuild will be in full swing. Hopefully we can move Wideman this year but our return will not be that great with that big Cap hit of his. Same holds with Smid, tough to move due to his contract but we may be able to ship him as a depth D for a playoff team... 

 

Bottom line for myself and some others is to adjust our perspective back to the team being in a rebuild mode. 

 

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I'm also intrigued by Skinner. I think there is definitely a fit here in age and skill. However the price and length of the contract is scary. Here's what I would put out there.

Russell, Raymond and Poirier

For

Jeff Skinner

My reasoning: Skinner is going to rebound. Can anyone think of another player who was washed up at 23 after two 30 goal seasons? He also fits in perfectly with our core now age and skill wise.

Russell needs to go, he's a UFA and in my opinion he's been at fault for at least one goal every game so far this season. However, he outscored Skinner as a D, therefore the swap makes sense. Poirier replaces part of Skinners potential for the Canes, and Raymond replaces current scoring while making the trade financially viable.

Now here's the big issue: Skinner is 5.7$ M per year until 2020. Combine that with Jonny, Mony, Gio, Hamilton, Brodie, Wideman and Hudler and filler, that makes for a messy off season. Basically you'd be replacing Hudler with Skinner. Thoughts? 23 year old 30 goal scorers don't come around every day.

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Realistically I can't see any trades happening until the deadline or close to it. 

 

If things continue on as is the Flames will be sellers. I am not sure we will be able to move Wideman due to his contract but we can expect Hudler and Jones to go and probably Russell - the return is likely going to be prospects and picks. Make some room and get some of the prospects onto the team

 

I and others jumped the gun on the rebuild being over. The rebuild will be in full swing. Hopefully we can move Wideman this year but our return will not be that great with that big Cap hit of his. Same holds with Smid, tough to move due to his contract but we may be able to ship him as a depth D for a playoff team... 

 

Bottom line for myself and some others is to adjust our perspective back to the team being in a rebuild mode. 

 

I prefer the term "building" now that BT has a core in place. The process becomes complimenting your core as they mature into the consistency you expect from them. A number of players on this current team will be gone between this years TDL and offseason.

Out with the expensive role/fillers and in with the players you want to go forward with. The key IMO is you need a good mix of youth and experience in order to keep advancing your success.

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Realistically I can't see any trades happening until the deadline or close to it. 

 

If things continue on as is the Flames will be sellers. I am not sure we will be able to move Wideman due to his contract but we can expect Hudler and Jones to go and probably Russell - the return is likely going to be prospects and picks. Make some room and get some of the prospects onto the team

 

I and others jumped the gun on the rebuild being over. The rebuild will be in full swing. Hopefully we can move Wideman this year but our return will not be that great with that big Cap hit of his. Same holds with Smid, tough to move due to his contract but we may be able to ship him as a depth D for a playoff team... 

 

Bottom line for myself and some others is to adjust our perspective back to the team being in a rebuild mode. 

 

 

The "re-build" part is over with the establishment of the core.  They still have legacy costs and guys that they though fit the mold (Wideman, Engelland, Raymond, Hiller, Russell, Jones).  Those are guys filling transitional roles right now, and we need to replace with trades, prospects, and UFA pickups.

 

The core is top-notch.  We have to figure out what to do with Hudler (as the development/scoring specialist), Stajan (as the 4th line expensive center), and Colborne (is he only what he has shown us or a top 6 player).  And we have to solidify the starter role.  The Hiller/Ramo thing didn't work out as expected.  Ortio hasn't asnwered the question yet.

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You, I and JTech seem to have opposite views of Zibanejad.  I always thought he hadn't become the player Ottawa was needing, and his 2nd line placement kind of echoed that.  JTech seems too believe that he is someone that is on their untradeable list.

 

Hard to say how he would do in the west, but if he was available, he might be a good fit here.  I didn't notice much of him last night, though.  One shot that I saw and a good SO goal.

 

Zibanejad should be available at the right price but it will be expensive.  Watching the Sens yesterday, I'm going to go back to Alex Chiasson as a player who intrigues me the most.  RHS RW with good size.  I thought he had a great game and generated a couple scoring chances with his skills alone.  He seems to be a player who gets that he's big and knows how to use his size.  I think he can become what we thought David Jones can be but never became on a consistent basis.

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