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1 hour ago, Cowtownguy said:

Your knowledge of trades, salary structure, collective agreement etc. are dizzying to me sometimes. You do personal income tax work on the side? I need help with that too.

That's why we love him here.

You're not alone.

It takes a village, he's a big part of this one.

Don't always agree, but respect big time.

cross, you need to hear that.

Big respect for everyone that cares enough to post, cross is excellent at perspective, imho.

Enough of the niceties, BLOW IT ALL UP, EVERYONE SUCKS, TRADE EVERYONE, lol.

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3 hours ago, phoenix66 said:

an interesting perspective ...

I recognize this quote is from a blogger, and not calling it gospel,   but its an indication of the fact that how others view our players , as opposed to what we think their value is..

 

"If the Leafs are targeting a top four defenseman such as Hamilton or Brodie, the deal would likely include a first or second round pick and a young winger with a reasonable salary, such as Kasperi Kapanen (on his ELC) or Connor Brown ($2.1 Million)."

 

If Toronto is willing to give a 1st or 2nd as well as Kapanen for TJ, I'm all over it 

Many here seem to think Brodie only gets a later pick .. but its very probable teams that need him value him much higher 

 

The suggested deal (Ek site) was Hammy for the 1st and Kapanen or Brown.  As if that makes sense.  Most of the posters on that blog laughed it off.  

Realistic is a top 4 D for a top 6 winger.  Top 2 D get you top line C's or W's.  Not old farts either.  :) 

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Over on hockeybuzz they have us landing Hoffman from the Sens, which means we probably aren't even in discussions to get him.

 

Hoffman checks a lot of boxes, he is fast and he scores goals, he isn't good defensively though so I would wonder how he would fit with Peters. It sure sounds like Peters lost faith with Skinner who plays a similar style to Hoffman.

 

I think this is going to be an interesting off season as I think if the Flames don't make the playoffs next year Treliving's job is on the line, and I think he knows it.

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1 hour ago, JTech780 said:

I think this is going to be an interesting off season as I think if the Flames don't make the playoffs next year Treliving's job is on the line, and I think he knows it.

This has been bothering me for awhile: The Vegas Model.

 

It's not a model, they're playing the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Keep your sticks moving the puck North. Quick stops and starts, none of this big sweeping curve coming back. Put on the breaks and get hustling back on the backcheck. I can't stand the big sweeping curve. It's lazy and looks a lot like frustration.

You lose the puck, hammer on the brakes, get back there and get it back, with all of your might.

Gallant taught a bunch of throwaways, "hey boys, this is how you play hockey".

And that's all it is to me. The league isn't doing it, so these guys look like superstars.

Maybe we don't need a shakeup, but a wakeup.

This has bothered me even before Vegas.

That $5mil guy, for me, isn't worth that $1mil guy that plays his heart out.

That's what pro hockey is.

Feel like you should get preferential treatment as a high pick/jr star/scorer? Get lost.

This league is about putting everything out there in 45 second stints.

Lose your ego.

Want to act all put out because things didn't go your way? There's a hundred guys behind you, maybe less talented, but won't do that, so get your head out of your Hash Rate.

Washington beat Vegas because they are far more skilled. Gallant just showed everyone how hockey is supposed to be played, the way he played. There is no feeling woe is me, get on your horse and stay on it.

This isn't magic, it's called hard work.

The league has been pretty lazy for too long.

It's over. The kids coming up are blazing and coached better and better with each passing year.

No more lazy or frustrated sweeping turns, thank god.

It's nothing more than hard work.

After that, it's good health, luck and bounces.

If you have a team that doesn't understand the level of hard work, get rid of them at all costs.

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10 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

Leafs first pick is 25th so it's kind of "meh".  

I wouldn't take that deal for Hamilton but for Brodie a 1st (25) Kapanen and a 2nd should be considered.

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Hoffman is an elite scorer which would be nice to add for sure but we have got to know what we’re getting. You’ll be getting a 30 goal guy, but also a guy who’s lazy in his own end and at points may be a liability in his own end.

 

I recognize Johnny really improved his 200 foot game last year but their are still times that he gets caught cheating the game a bit. That’s fine, that’s what most top point getters do, watch McDavid... Maybe it’s not the best move to have 2 guys on a line that play that way

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5 hours ago, conundrumed said:

This has been bothering me for awhile: The Vegas Model.

 

It's not a model, they're playing the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Keep your sticks moving the puck North. Quick stops and starts, none of this big sweeping curve coming back. Put on the breaks and get hustling back on the backcheck. I can't stand the big sweeping curve. It's lazy and looks a lot like frustration.

You lose the puck, hammer on the brakes, get back there and get it back, with all of your might.

Gallant taught a bunch of throwaways, "hey boys, this is how you play hockey".

And that's all it is to me. The league isn't doing it, so these guys look like superstars.

Maybe we don't need a shakeup, but a wakeup.

This has bothered me even before Vegas.

That $5mil guy, for me, isn't worth that $1mil guy that plays his heart out.

That's what pro hockey is.

Feel like you should get preferential treatment as a high pick/jr star/scorer? Get lost.

This league is about putting everything out there in 45 second stints.

Lose your ego.

Want to act all put out because things didn't go your way? There's a hundred guys behind you, maybe less talented, but won't do that, so get your head out of your Hash Rate.

Washington beat Vegas because they are far more skilled. Gallant just showed everyone how hockey is supposed to be played, the way he played. There is no feeling woe is me, get on your horse and stay on it.

This isn't magic, it's called hard work.

The league has been pretty lazy for too long.

It's over. The kids coming up are blazing and coached better and better with each passing year.

No more lazy or frustrated sweeping turns, thank god.

It's nothing more than hard work.

After that, it's good health, luck and bounces.

If you have a team that doesn't understand the level of hard work, get rid of them at all costs.

Agree with this fully.  I've been over at CapFriendly looking at all sorts of Armchair GM teams and this sort of came up in a trade proposal of:

Kessel for Brodie, Dube and Fox.  They thought it was a huge steal to get Kessel for lesser players, I thought it was a massive and uncalled for overpayment, gutting the Flames both present and future.  One of my arguments were "issues" with Kessel along the same lines as this post.  Any thoughts?

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4 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

Agree with this fully.  I've been over at CapFriendly looking at all sorts of Armchair GM teams and this sort of came up in a trade proposal of:

Kessel for Brodie, Dube and Fox.  They thought it was a huge steal to get Kessel for lesser players, I thought it was a massive and uncalled for overpayment, gutting the Flames both present and future.  One of my arguments were "issues" with Kessel along the same lines as this post.  Any thoughts?

Sounds like a desperate move which is not what we need.

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7 hours ago, cccsberg said:

Agree with this fully.  I've been over at CapFriendly looking at all sorts of Armchair GM teams and this sort of came up in a trade proposal of:

Kessel for Brodie, Dube and Fox.  They thought it was a huge steal to get Kessel for lesser players, I thought it was a massive and uncalled for overpayment, gutting the Flames both present and future.  One of my arguments were "issues" with Kessel along the same lines as this post.  Any thoughts?

Pittsburgh is getting dangerously close to not being very good. They don't have much left in the pipeline so I would say this is the type of deal they would likely be making for Kessel.

Nothing against Kessel, I'd be very leery to bring him back to a CDN market though.

If it goes sour you're trading him for, well, Brodie, Dube and Fox.

I think the value is probably correct and we need scorers, I just don't think he's the right one.

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I wonder what the Isles would give up to help that atrocity they call a defence?

Brodie for all of our Hamonic picks back?lol

Stone for Ho Sang and a 5th??

 

Also wonder what date Lou has given JT to sign by?? Assuming before the draft by a few days.

The more I look at that roster the more I think JT wants the he-double hockey sticks out of there.

Then next years draft the Isles become Jack Hughes' problem.:lol:

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2 hours ago, conundrumed said:

I wonder what the Isles would give up to help that atrocity they call a defence?

Brodie for all of our Hamonic picks back?lol

Stone for Ho Sang and a 5th??

 

Also wonder what date Lou has given JT to sign by?? Assuming before the draft by a few days.

The more I look at that roster the more I think JT wants the he-double hockey sticks out of there.

Then next years draft the Isles become Jack Hughes' problem.:lol:

I think the draft will decide whether JT stays or not. I fully expect NYI to make a big trade or two to persuade him into staying. Let’s be honest here, Lou at his age isn’t concerned about the future of the Isles, he will only be there a few years and wants to win now. I’ll bet he trades both firsts 

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18 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

I think the draft will decide whether JT stays or not. I fully expect NYI to make a big trade or two to persuade him into staying. Let’s be honest here, Lou at his age isn’t concerned about the future of the Isles, he will only be there a few years and wants to win now. I’ll bet he trades both firsts 

 

The problem is that the draft is the last time they can get any value for JT if he's not signing.

As it is, his value is low, since the rights would only give you the advantage of high-balling him before July 1.  As well, teams could express their interest the last week of June.

 

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On 6/5/2018 at 10:06 PM, MAC331 said:

Do you not believe in trying to improve ?

Sticking with 1 line that works, is not going to hamper improvement. We have many holes to fill on this team and do need to find some improvement. Breaking up one of the better 2 way lines in the game, isn't likely going to fix our weak areas without creating another larger weaker area.

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2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

The problem is that the draft is the last time they can get any value for JT if he's not signing.

As it is, his value is low, since the rights would only give you the advantage of high-balling him before July 1.  As well, teams could express their interest the last week of June.

 

Yeah that's what I was getting at. He has to have a date like the 19th or 20th I would think. Because if JT isn't signing, Lou will have to let the other 30 GMs know and see what he can get for a pick for JT's bargaining rights.

Same idea as Sutter trading a pick for JBo's negotiating rights.

After the draft, if Tavares isn't signing, they'll get absolutely zero in return. At least the rights are worth something.

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1 hour ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Sticking with 1 line that works, is not going to hamper improvement. We have many holes to fill on this team and do need to find some improvement. Breaking up one of the better 2 way lines in the game, isn't likely going to fix our weak areas without creating another larger weaker area.

I agree. I don't mind if they try Tkachuk on another line in camp/preseason, but there's no reason to force it when you know you've got a solid line with history there.

I know this is unlikely and I'm getting ahead, but how sweet would it be if Dube rolled into Tkachuk's spot and we'd have Backs-Frolik mentoring our next guy.

I know I'm dreaming, but it was a good dream!!

 

Which brings me to good fun mems with comedy great Steven Wright.

"So I went into the video store to rent a movie. I couldn't remember the name of it, so I explained it to the clerk. He said, that's not a movie, it's a dream you had.

I said No, it's a movie, I remember it vividly. He was adamant that it was a dream I had.

So I asked him, how would you know what dreams I have?

He said, because you were in here last week asking about the same movie, and you remembered it was a dream you had".:lol:

Ahhh offseason, might just as well have fun with it!

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On 6/7/2018 at 3:45 PM, The_People1 said:

How about Backlund + Bennett for ROR?

The only thing ROR is better at than Backs is faceoffs. Only reason he scores a few more points is because he gets a lot more PP time.

and you want to throw in Bennett??

 

Personally I would not do that trade Backs for ROR.

Backs still has some upside even though he is a bit older.

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On 6/8/2018 at 9:31 AM, ABC923 said:

So word is the oilers are actively shopping Lucic, and are willing to send assets along with him.  Any interest? He’s not a top line player by any means, but brings a real snarl, and is not so old as to be unable to turn things around after a terrible season.

 

To Edm: Brouwer, next years 2nd and 4th round picks

 

To Cgy: Lucic (1.5 retained), this year’s First rounder.

Lucic?  seriously only if they retain all of his salary for the duration of his contract... He has already slowed down and won't find another step.. 

 

I prefer to see the Oilers choke on that contract... 

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41 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Lucic?  seriously only if they retain all of his salary for the duration of his contract... He has already slowed down and won't find another step.. 

 

I prefer to see the Oilers choke on that contract... 

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The burning question is, why would we give a 2nd(that we don't have) and a 4th again?

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Sorry ABC, my intent isn't to insult you, but wait and see. ANA and EDM want to unload these contracts. Watch what it takes, or nobody bites.

 

Closer was Lucic (half retained?) and Puljajarvi for Brouwer and Stone.

The conversation got a bit sidetracked as it was evolving (way to go ff:P You have no idea how sadistic i am in loving seeing one of my favourite posters shot down;)).

Lucic and Perry are exactly the same draw for me right now. No and No.

Does anyone remember Lucic's 28 game goalless drought? I was at the EDM game when he broke it vs the Coyotes. Broke my heart.

800 to 950 career games, for the brand of hockey these 2 have played throughout their careers. Now they're on the wrong side of 30.

I am not interested.

Basement teams do these deals.

 

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I’ll admit I have not watched much Oiler hockey this year, so I may not fully appreciate how bad Lucic has gotten.  In my mind anyway, he’s an upgrade over Brouwer, with more snarl and greater offensive potential.  Terrible contract, but with salary retained it falls in closer to palatable.  I guess the question is was this season an off year for the guy, or has he truly lost all ability to put the puck in the net?

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12 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Sticking with 1 line that works, is not going to hamper improvement. We have many holes to fill on this team and do need to find some improvement. Breaking up one of the better 2 way lines in the game, isn't likely going to fix our weak areas without creating another larger weaker area.

Perhaps not, teams break up their talents all the time in order to find better situations that will have the team even better.

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9 hours ago, conundrumed said:

The burning question is, why would we give a 2nd(that we don't have) and a 4th again?

*EDIT

Sorry ABC, my intent isn't to insult you, but wait and see. ANA and EDM want to unload these contracts. Watch what it takes, or nobody bites.

 

Closer was Lucic (half retained?) and Puljajarvi for Brouwer and Stone.

The conversation got a bit sidetracked as it was evolving (way to go ff:P You have no idea how sadistic i am in loving seeing one of my favourite posters shot down;)).

Lucic and Perry are exactly the same draw for me right now. No and No.

Does anyone remember Lucic's 28 game goalless drought? I was at the EDM game when he broke it vs the Coyotes. Broke my heart.

800 to 950 career games, for the brand of hockey these 2 have played throughout their careers. Now they're on the wrong side of 30.

I am not interested.

Basement teams do these deals.

 

I think VAN would be a good landing spot for Lucic.

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53 minutes ago, ABC923 said:

I’ll admit I have not watched much Oiler hockey this year, so I may not fully appreciate how bad Lucic has gotten.  In my mind anyway, he’s an upgrade over Brouwer, with more snarl and greater offensive potential.  Terrible contract, but with salary retained it falls in closer to palatable.  I guess the question is was this season an off year for the guy, or has he truly lost all ability to put the puck in the net?

 

You don't really need to watch Oilers hockey to appreciate how bad a deal it is.  6m x 5 more years with a NMC.  The money is one thing.  5 more years is another.  His play has fallen off to the point where they are already regretting it.  It's not a year 2 regression.  It's a trend.  His skating is slower, even when he plays with McDavid.  He is always a step behind.  He takes dumb penalties at an alarming rate.  He's not a PK or PP specialist.  

 

The biggest issue is 5 more years.  NMC hampers you if he's on your team.  The next expansion draft means he has to be protected automatically.  Let that one sink in.  I would rather the Oilers choke on that.

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10 hours ago, conundrumed said:

The burning question is, why would we give a 2nd(that we don't have) and a 4th again?

*EDIT

Sorry ABC, my intent isn't to insult you, but wait and see. ANA and EDM want to unload these contracts. Watch what it takes, or nobody bites.

 

Closer was Lucic (half retained?) and Puljajarvi for Brouwer and Stone.

The conversation got a bit sidetracked as it was evolving (way to go ff:P You have no idea how sadistic i am in loving seeing one of my favourite posters shot down;)).

Lucic and Perry are exactly the same draw for me right now. No and No.

Does anyone remember Lucic's 28 game goalless drought? I was at the EDM game when he broke it vs the Coyotes. Broke my heart.

800 to 950 career games, for the brand of hockey these 2 have played throughout their careers. Now they're on the wrong side of 30.

I am not interested.

Basement teams do these deals.

 

Eh, for the 1st time in my life I made a mistake. :(

 

Again. :lol:;)

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2 hours ago, ABC923 said:

I’ll admit I have not watched much Oiler hockey this year, so I may not fully appreciate how bad Lucic has gotten.  In my mind anyway, he’s an upgrade over Brouwer, with more snarl and greater offensive potential.  Terrible contract, but with salary retained it falls in closer to palatable.  I guess the question is was this season an off year for the guy, or has he truly lost all ability to put the puck in the net?

Even Lucic himself is saying he has to work at losing weight and getting faster this offseason. That's a little concerning for an 11 yr vet with over 800 games of physical hockey.

To me, he's basically saying he has to re-learn the way he plays.

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3 hours ago, MAC331 said:

Perhaps not, teams break up their talents all the time in order to find better situations that will have the team even better.

 

Washimgton has done that. Albeit they have the talent to spread around. Backs and Frolik are known to play well together prior to Tkachuk. Now I think try him on another line and  if Tkachuk falters, let’s just put him back.

 

wedidnt do that with Bennett though. 

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