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I know this might be a long shot but what do you guys think it would take to get Matt Murray from Pittsburgh.

He is absolutely dominating the AHL, and at 21 is he is really young. I don't think I have seen a goalie put up the kind of numbers he has put up.

 

The only way you get a prospect right now is a direct swap.  Like a Poirier for... swap.  We have nothing that teams really want that we can afford to lose.  

 

Russell, Raymond, Jooris, Backlund, Jones, Stajan are players we could afford to lose, but that is because they are struggling to score.  I would hold off trading Colborne right now because he is actually just starting to increase in value.

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Coming into the season a big reason everyone said we had one of the top defense cores in the league is because we were the only team with 5 defenders in the top 45 in defensemen scoring.

The problem with that is you have basically 5 offensive defensemen. I know Gio and Brodie do both but we need a defensive specialist. A Regehr type player to ground the rest of the group.

I don't think Corsi is a good way to find these players however, maybe an analysis on high danger scoring chance percentage? Any ideas to find our defensive specialist?

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To Carolina:

Hiller

Granlund

3rd round pick

 

To Calgary:

Ward 

Prospect

Late round pick

 

Adding Granlund and a 3rd to take a cap dump?  Carolina does that everyday.  Why would we?

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Adding Granlund and a 3rd to take a cap dump?  Carolina does that everyday.  Why would we?

Who would you rather have in net right now? Hiller with a .861 and a 3.67 or Ward with a .912 and 2.25 on a lesser team than Calgary. The guy has a cup ring, and is an Alberta boy and would likely sign for a couple years at the end of the year. Ramo and Hiller are gone at the end of this season, and theres a very slim chance of a Ortio/Gillies tandem next season. 

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Who would you rather have in net right now? Hiller with a .861 and a 3.67 or Ward with a .912 and 2.25 on a lesser team than Calgary. The guy has a cup ring, and is an Alberta boy and would likely sign for a couple years at the end of the year. Ramo and Hiller are gone at the end of this season, and theres a very slim chance of a Ortio/Gillies tandem next season. 

 

Neither.

 

I repeat, you don't want to give away anything of value for a cap dump.  BT tried to get Carolina's 1st rounder by taking Ward.  No way I give up Granlund for that goalie.

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Cam Ward only has one year remaining on his contract so there's not much of a rush for the Canes to move him.  Years ago, he could've been had for nothing but this year, he's actually playing well.  The Canes are also winning and is a better team than last season.  They could potentially make the playoffs with Ward leading them there.  They're not going to easily trade the playoffs away just to get rid of Ward who will naturally come off the books this summer.

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Cam Ward only has one year remaining on his contract so there's not much of a rush for the Canes to move him.  Years ago, he could've been had for nothing but this year, he's actually playing well.  The Canes are also winning and is a better team than last season.  They could potentially make the playoffs with Ward leading them there.  They're not going to easily trade the playoffs away just to get rid of Ward who will naturally come off the books this summer.

 

By the same token, it makes little sense for the Flames to trade for a goalie going to FA this summer.  We couldn't afford to pay him what he is getting now, and if he was to get better he would want more.

 

The only way it makes sense to trade for a goalie is if you get back a guy that has proven value, and has a longer term contract that fits here.  Teams aren't trading that kind.

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By the same token, it makes little sense for the Flames to trade for a goalie going to FA this summer.  We couldn't afford to pay him what he is getting now, and if he was to get better he would want more.

 

The only way it makes sense to trade for a goalie is if you get back a guy that has proven value, and has a longer term contract that fits here.  Teams aren't trading that kind.

 

Mrazek it is, then.  Give them Ortio to fill that hole, and Tim Harrison.  Done deal.

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Mrazek it is, then.  Give them Ortio to fill that hole, and Tim Harrison.  Done deal.

 

The last time they got one of our goalies, he went on to the cup.  :(

 

Just to add some discussion, Wideman is not at practice today.  Day off for the old guy ( :) ) or maybe a pending trade.  There have been a number of teams looking at the Flames, and goaltending is not one of the areas we have extras.  It may be an optional skate, but for sure he wasn't injured in the last minute against the Oilers.  Smid is practicing in his place today.  :( 

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Mrazek it is, then. Give them Ortio to fill that hole, and Tim Harrison. Done deal.

Mrazek is one of the top young goalies in the game, I would love to get him, but it would take a lot more than Ortio and Harrison to get him.

Ortio, Andersson and 3rd might get you Mrazek, but since they have no reason to trade him I am guessing we would have to give up more.

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Mrazek is one of the top young goalies in the game, I would love to get him, but it would take a lot more than Ortio and Harrison to get him.

Ortio, Andersson and 3rd might get you Mrazek, but since they have no reason to trade him I am guessing we would have to give up more.

 

The internet is hard to show intent behind a slurr.  The suggestion was in jest....you know..our worst tender and a bottom prospect no one knows? :D

 

I'd love Mrazek, but realistically you are giving up Bennett + to get him.  He's their future, and a damn good one.

The last time they got one of our goalies, he went on to the cup.   :(

 

Just to add some discussion, Wideman is not at practice today.  Day off for the old guy ( :) ) or maybe a pending trade.  There have been a number of teams looking at the Flames, and goaltending is not one of the areas we have extras.  It may be an optional skate, but for sure he wasn't injured in the last minute against the Oilers.  Smid is practicing in his place today.   :(

 

Not sure what's happening, but I'd welcome a trade of one of our Dmen.  Preferably Wides.  His cap hit is annoying, and a shakeup would bode well for the team.

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The internet is hard to show intent behind a slurr.  The suggestion was in jest....you know..our worst tender and a bottom prospect no one knows? :D

 

I'd love Mrazek, but realistically you are giving up Bennett + to get him.  He's their future, and a damn good one.

 

Not sure what's happening, but I'd welcome a trade of one of our Dmen.  Preferably Wides.  His cap hit is annoying, and a shakeup would bode well for the team.

 

Wideman was off on a maintenance day, or so they reported.  

 

Russell would likely cause the least amount of disruption.  At worst, it leaves a hole to be replaced by Smid or Nakladal.  TBH, as of today, Russell has had the worst effect on the defense.  Can't explain it, but it is backed up by different stats.  The blocked shots are still there, but the results are not.

 

If you want to deal Wideman this year, at least wait till the TDL or off-season.  TDL, his cap is more manageable, but off-season he is a consolation prize for those trying to win the UFA sweeps.  Unless we are completely out of the playoff picture by TDL, then it doesn't make sense to trade him unless you get a defensive d-man specialist back. 

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I have a feeling there is a trade in the works with Tampa Bay.    Wait, wait.....not for Stamkos but to help TB make room for his pending contract. TB sat Matt Carle as a healthy scratch and also brought up Andrei Vasilevskiy. 

 

I can see Wideman going to TB and us taking Matt Carle who is a stay at home defense man who is a little over paid in order for us to land one of there goalies.

 

Wideman is good when in comes to point production but at this point I see us in need of the stay at home hitting type who could play along side of a youngster and be counted on defensively.

 

I can also see Tampa parting ways with Bishop and Matt Carle while retaining a little salary to clear cap space for Stamkos. If Tampa is willing to go with both of there young guys sharing the work load then this is a good possibility.

 

If this was to happen I would be all for it. Bishop has a cap hit of under 6m. At seasons end we would be free from Hiller and Ramo which adds up to more than what Bishop makes. Matt Carle is making 5.5 for another two years but that is ok when getting Bishop in the deal. I still think TB would need to retain a little salary this year or take back Raymond.

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I have a feeling there is a trade in the works with Tampa Bay. Wait, wait.....not for Stamkos but to help TB make room for his pending contract. TB sat Matt Carle as a healthy scratch and also brought up Andrei Vasilevskiy.

I can see Wideman going to TB and us taking Matt Carle who is a stay at home defense man who is a little over paid in order for us to land one of there goalies.

Wideman is good when in comes to point production but at this point I see us in need of the stay at home hitting type who could play along side of a youngster and be counted on defensively.

I can also see Tampa parting ways with Bishop and Matt Carle while retaining a little salary to clear cap space for Stamkos. If Tampa is willing to go with both of there young guys sharing the work load then this is a good possibility.

If this was to happen I would be all for it. Bishop has a cap hit of under 6m. At seasons end we would be free from Hiller and Ramo which adds up to more than what Bishop makes. Matt Carle is making 5.5 for another two years but that is ok when getting Bishop in the deal. I still think TB would need to retain a little salary this year or take back Raymond.

I wouldn't classify Carle as a stay at home defenseman, to me he is more of undersized puck moving defenseman, kind of like John Michael Liles but better defensively.

I'm not saying don't take him on in a trade especially if you can get a starter, but don't expect Carle to be a top 4 defensive defenseman.

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I have a feeling there is a trade in the works with Tampa Bay.    Wait, wait.....not for Stamkos but to help TB make room for his pending contract. TB sat Matt Carle as a healthy scratch and also brought up Andrei Vasilevskiy. 

 

I can see Wideman going to TB and us taking Matt Carle who is a stay at home defense man who is a little over paid in order for us to land one of there goalies.

 

Wideman is good when in comes to point production but at this point I see us in need of the stay at home hitting type who could play along side of a youngster and be counted on defensively.

 

I can also see Tampa parting ways with Bishop and Matt Carle while retaining a little salary to clear cap space for Stamkos. If Tampa is willing to go with both of there young guys sharing the work load then this is a good possibility.

 

If this was to happen I would be all for it. Bishop has a cap hit of under 6m. At seasons end we would be free from Hiller and Ramo which adds up to more than what Bishop makes. Matt Carle is making 5.5 for another two years but that is ok when getting Bishop in the deal. I still think TB would need to retain a little salary this year or take back Raymond.

 

A little housekeeping first.

 

Tampa just signed Bishop to a two year deal.  Why are they giving up on him?

Who are the two goalies that take over for Bishop?  The two guys that have played this year each have one game (Gudlevskis has a total of 2 NHL games to his career).

We would be taking on almost $12m in salary while giving up only $5.25; how do we fit that in the present cap or future when we need to re-sign our stars?

 

Now for the trade itself.  How does Wideman get you Bishop and Carle?  Does that trade work for either team?

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TB needs cap space next season, we can take on both players if they take expiring contracts back aswell. 

 

We have a few players hit free agency next season that will most likely walk or get traded at the deadline.

 

Hiller and Ramo combine to more than Bishop in salary, if we sent Ramo back down and waived Hiller I think we would be fine. ( if including TB taking atleast one expiring contract back in the trade )

 

Matt Carle is not small he is 6ft 200lbs but plays much bigger. Also he has almost always been a plus player. He is not a liability by any means. Would add stability to the back end. You are correct with him being a good puck moving dman, but that doesnt mean he isnt a solid stay at home aswell.

 

I do agree the two young guys are a little unproven but they need to do something to clear up cap space soon. Big stars like Stamkos have been know to shut down talks when there is no progress made. I was just making a suggestion so please dont get to wound up this is just my opinion of an option for both teams.

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Carle 5.5 + Bishop 6 = 11.5

Wideman 5.25 + Hiller 4.5 = 9.75

It checks out okay. Tampa gets an expiring contract and clears 6.25 in the offseason for Stammer, if they believe that Hiller is capable as a number one until Gudlevski is ready to go.

From our side, We are taking on an extra 1.75$ in cap space but losing an expiring contract at year end. But Carle at 5.5 until 2019 is damn scary. The only way I see this evening out is if Tampa retains 1.5M on Carles Salary.

Were you serious about Carle not being a top 4 guy? Why would they pay him 5.5?

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TB needs cap space next season, we can take on both players if they take expiring contracts back aswell. 

 

We have a few players hit free agency next season that will most likely walk or get traded at the deadline.

 

Hiller and Ramo combine to more than Bishop in salary, if we sent Ramo back down and waived Hiller I think we would be fine. ( if including TB taking atleast one expiring contract back in the trade )

 

Matt Carle is not small he is 6ft 200lbs but plays much bigger. Also he has almost always been a plus player. He is not a liability by any means. Would add stability to the back end. You are correct with him being a good puck moving dman, but that doesnt mean he isnt a solid stay at home aswell.

 

I do agree the two young guys are a little unproven but they need to do something to clear up cap space soon. Big stars like Stamkos have been know to shut down talks when there is no progress made. I was just making a suggestion so please dont get to wound up this is just my opinion of an option for both teams.

 

Hiller and Ramo off the roster (unless traded, claimed off waivers) only save you $950k each.  

 

Carle 5.5 + Bishop 6 = 11.5

Wideman 5.25 + Hiller 4.5 = 9.75

It checks out okay. Tampa gets an expiring contract and clears 6.25 in the offseason for Stammer, if they believe that Hiller is capable as a number one until Gudlevski is ready to go.

From our side, We are taking on an extra 1.75$ in cap space but losing an expiring contract at year end. But Carle at 5.5 until 2019 is damn scary. The only way I see this evening out is if Tampa retains 1.5M on Carles Salary.

Were you serious about Carle not being a top 4 guy? Why would they pay him 5.5?

 

If Hiller was healthy today, do you think Tampa sees him as being a good goalie?  He is at the bottom in SA%.  Even if they took him, we still have the 3-headed goalie monster and so does Tampa (though not as many vets).

 

I don't see the motivation for Tampa to make this deal, especially if they retain salary.  They gain nothing other than a former good goalie that might recover and another aging d-man (that we like).  

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Two players that I think need to be traded eventually for our own needs are Russell and Backlund. They have value and we have players that can step into their positions.

We need either a LW or RW for our top 6 forwards.

If Brodie is to remain with Giordano we need a top LS defenseman to play with Hamilton.

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Ramo just cleared waivers. Hiller has a league worst save percentage and is hurt. This summer Treliving tried like heck to move a goalie and was unable to do so. I don't see his chances having improved given the play of our goalies. Even if you could move one your definitely not getting something nice back.

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Ramo just cleared waivers. Hiller has a league worst save percentage and is hurt. This summer Treliving tried like heck to move a goalie and was unable to do so. I don't see his chances having improved given the play of our goalies. Even if you could move one your definitely not getting something nice back.

I agree, we have to live with the goaltending situation. Fix some of the other glaring areas that need attention.

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Ramo just cleared waivers. Hiller has a league worst save percentage and is hurt. This summer Treliving tried like heck to move a goalie and was unable to do so. I don't see his chances having improved given the play of our goalies. Even if you could move one your definitely not getting something nice back.

 

I still maintain that it was stupid to re-sign Ramo in the first place.

 

Yes, there is a market for goaltenders in the NHL but there is however, no market for Ramo and Hiller.  It was probably the Calgary Flames or the KHL for Ramo and Ramo took the Flames deal back in July. 

 

Ramo or Hiller could have created a market for themselves if they totally dominated training camp, but if that happened, why would the Flames want to trade a goalie who dominated training camp?  They wouldn't.  They would keep the guy who's dominating and trade the other guy, who again, nobody wants.  Other teams would only be asking for the guy who is dominating, which we won't trade.

 

Or they'll ask for Ortio who we have no interest in trading unless we get blown out of the waters with an offer.

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The one thing Brad Treliving isn't dealing with is giving up on the wrong goalie. Had he traded Hiller and we still had poor goaltending, he would've gone through hell. If Hiller still played like crap and we didn't sign Ramo, we would be complaining that they didn't sign Ramo.

I liked Ramo, but I think my opinion has changed. Although, it's hard to tell because our defensive game hasn't changed and you can only survive getting hemmed in for so long and so often. Catch-22's all around...

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This may be unpopular but I would be willing to do a deal with Tampa straight up. 

 

Hiller + 2015 1st. 

For 

Bishop 

 

I know dealing firsts is not the way a winning organization does things but I'm sure we could get a first back for Hudler come the trade deadline.  I also know that we are not Austin Matthews bad. I believe we are going to end up in a similar position as Colorado last year drafting around 10th. Bishop is realiable, relatively young and could be a nice part of the core for the next few seasons. 

Tampa gets a first and a chance to make room for Stamkos when Hiller's contract expires. Calgary gets themselves a true number one finally. Then again this may be something that has to be done in the offseason. 

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