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6 hours ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said:

All this talk about who should be offered for Zucker doesn't make sense to me. He's a LHS/LW, isn't that side staffed enough? I don't see how the team would be ahead considering Fro plays the right side and Benny theoretically could go to C if needed.  Plus Zucker doesn't doesn't add size or a favorable +/-.

 

Flames need to add speed and some scoring ability. Zucker is high end in both those categories  he's also played both wings. 

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is Ryan Callaghan a viable option to play on the right side of Monahan???

 

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Just now, Horsman1 said:

is Ryan Callaghan a viable option to play on the right side of Monahan???

 

Tkachuk/Monahan/ Callaghan...Gaudreau/Duschene/Lindholm

 

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10 minutes ago, Horsman1 said:

is Ryan Callaghan a viable option to play on the right side of Monahan???

 

Callahan is only a viable option to replace Hathaway and Flames should only do it if it involves receiving Tampa’s 1st and a prospect 

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28 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Callahan is only a viable option to replace Hathaway and Flames should only do it if it involves receiving Tampa’s 1st and a prospect 

please explain.. as a current assistant team captain and former team captain.. That has played many meaningful playoff games.. ans is still a very capable player I thought he's be a good fit to tutor Monahan.. A World series baseball team does not have just a pen of fastball pitchers.. A super bowl champion has an offence and a defence,, But,, the offence has both a running game and a passing game.. Our hockey team cannot continue to play one style regardless of which line is on.. We need to diversify an add some qualities in leadership that we are apparently shy in

 

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1 hour ago, Horsman1 said:

please explain.. as a current assistant team captain and former team captain.. That has played many meaningful playoff games.. ans is still a very capable player I thought he's be a good fit to tutor Monahan.. A World series baseball team does not have just a pen of fastball pitchers.. A super bowl champion has an offence and a defence,, But,, the offence has both a running game and a passing game.. Our hockey team cannot continue to play one style regardless of which line is on.. We need to diversify an add some qualities in leadership that we are apparently shy in

 

 

Callahan put up 17 points this year and 18 points the season before that. He is 34 years old and is making $5.8m next season.

 

He isn't the same player he was, at this point he is nothing more than a 4th line energy guy with experience. 

 

I like the player, but taking on his contract makes no sense unless we get something in return, like a pick or prospect or sending Neal's contract the other way.

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16 hours ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said:

All this talk about who should be offered for Zucker doesn't make sense to me. He's a LHS/LW, isn't that side staffed enough? I don't see how the team would be ahead considering Fro plays the right side and Benny theoretically could go to C if needed.  Plus Zucker doesn't doesn't add size or a favorable +/-.

 

The idea is to improve the team.

Somehow I doubt it was Bennett + Frolik unless there is another piece involved.

 

A different tact for me would be to use Brodie (maybe add 2nd in 2020) for Trouba.

It gives WPG an extra year to manage the cap with Laine being signed this summer.

To do so, we might have to take on Lowry and add little in salary.

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4 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

The idea is to improve the team.

Somehow I doubt it was Bennett + Frolik unless there is another piece involved.

 

A different tact for me would be to use Brodie (maybe add 2nd in 2020) for Trouba.

It gives WPG an extra year to manage the cap with Laine being signed this summer.

To do so, we might have to take on Lowry and add little in salary.

 

How much do you think Trouba will sign for?

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2 hours ago, Horsman1 said:

is Ryan Callaghan a viable option to play on the right side of Monahan???

 

 

He's a shadow of his former self.  Played mostly 4th line with TB all season.  That's all he is now... And that cap hit.  Yikes.

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11 hours ago, cross16 said:

 

Flames need to add speed and some scoring ability. Zucker is high end in both those categories  he's also played both wings. 

 

I don't want to trade Bennett though.

 

I'd part with Frolik + Jankowski for Zucker pretty easily.

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8 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

How much do you think Trouba will sign for?

 

He is coming off a 50 point season and a $5.5m deal. There isn't many defenseman that offer the skill package of his size, physical play, offense and skating.

 

I think he signs in the $8m range on a long term deal.

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5 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I don't want to trade Bennett though.

 

I'd part with Frolik + Jankowski for Zucker pretty easily.

 

I would do that deal. 

 

I really like Zucker, but when I hear that we almost gave up our 1st and Frolik for him, I was a bit worried as I think that is an over payment. I don't know that I would do a 1st straight across for Zucker.

 

Zucker adds speed and scoring, but at the same time I see him as a middle 6 guy. AI am not sure that he is a guy you want playing on the top line for a full season.

 

I also think our tradable assets need to go towards center depth. I would like to see Monahan upgraded, but I also get that that is probably not going to happen because teams just don't trade number 1 centers. 

 

So I think we need to target a legit offensive number 2 center to play with Tkachuk, and bump Backlund down the lineup and use him as a shut down center. 

 

Play the top 2 lines in key offensive situations and the play the bottom 2 lines in key defensive situations.

 

I am not sure who is out there for number 2 centers who can bring in offense, my favorite target would be Kadri, because I think he brings a lot things to the table.

 

I am more worried about our center depth than I am our depth on the wings.

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5 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

He is coming off a 50 point season and a $5.5m deal. There isn't many defenseman that offer the skill package of his size, physical play, offense and skating.

 

I think he signs in the $8m range on a long term deal.

 

That's tough to fit into our cap... But it would be awesome if we could get him.  Only real possibility he is available is it seems Trouba and Jets relations are soured.

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14 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

I am more worried about our center depth than I am our depth on the wings.

 

Ya totally.

 

Monahan should be a 2nd line Center.  

Backlund should be a 3rd line shut down specialist.

 

But we are asking them both to play one level above where they would be most successful.  It's really too bad Sam Bennett isn't a Doug Gilmour as originally advertised.  We'd have our #1 Center... our rebuild came so close to perfection.  

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26 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

He is coming off a 50 point season and a $5.5m deal. There isn't many defenseman that offer the skill package of his size, physical play, offense and skating.

 

I think he signs in the $8m range on a long term deal.

 

I'm thinking more about this and i think the only way this works is if we trade both Brodie + Hamonic to the Jets for Trouba.  This way, the Jets get to replace both Trouba + Myers on RD.  Myers should be gone regardless i think.

 

As for the Flames, we would be left with Trouba, Andersson, Stone/Prout/Fantenberg on RD.

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1 hour ago, JTech780 said:

 

He is coming off a 50 point season and a $5.5m deal. There isn't many defenseman that offer the skill package of his size, physical play, offense and skating.

 

I think he signs in the $8m range on a long term deal.

 

The reported ask for Trouba is a 1st and top pairing D in return.

We can argue about whether Brodie fits the bill, but not many teams could give that up.

The offers will be lower or different.

A first this year + Brodie, assuming the guy we want to draft is gone?

Do it.

 

We would need to lower costs elsewhere, since we have too many players making too much in lesser spots.

Frolik, Janko, Stone, even Bennett.

Frolik + Janko for Zucker.

Stone buyout.

Find a backup for less than $3m.

 

I get the talk that Trouba wants to play in the US, but that is likely more about being PO'd with the contract impasse.

He's the kind of player that should be the cornerstone of your D.

Longer runway than with Gio.

 

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41 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

I get the talk that Trouba wants to play in the US, but that is likely more about being PO'd with the contract impasse.

He's the kind of player that should be the cornerstone of your D.

Longer runway than with Gio.

 

 

So Gio for Trouba then?

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27 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

So Gio for Trouba then?

 

Well, that might make sense to them.

I don't think we are quite there yet from the progression of LD.

Hanifin isn't.

Valimaki isn't.

Kylington isn't.

 

The other thing is that Gio is too close to what they would have to pay Trouba anyway.

Doesn't clear enough cap for them.

Brodie does.

 

A lot of people talk here about the need to become tougher.

Trouba does that.

He's at least worth what we paid foir Dougie or Hamonic.

Not that I would do a deal constructed like that.

 

You know Holland is going to make an offer.

They have crap to give back, though.

And they can't sign him unless they get rid of $6m in salary.

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If the return for Zucker is in Kessel territory as the reports are, BT needs to back away. We don’t have the horses to pull that off. 

 

Im hoping for Kadri 

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9 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Well, that might make sense to them.

I don't think we are quite there yet from the progression of LD.

Hanifin isn't.

Valimaki isn't.

Kylington isn't.

 

I disagree of course and the two reasons I've talked about in length a few times,

 

1. I think highly of what we have on D without Gio.

2. Giordano will decline.

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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

You know Holland is going to make an offer.

They have crap to give back, though.

And they can't sign him unless they get rid of $6m in salary.

 

I think the Jets should consider RNH for Trouba straight up.  The Jets need a 2nd line C as badly as us.

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46 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

If the return for Zucker is in Kessel territory as the reports are, BT needs to back away. We don’t have the horses to pull that off. 

 

Im hoping for Kadri 

 

That's why we should intercept Kessel if all it takes is Zucker.

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3 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

Ya totally.

 

Monahan should be a 2nd line Center.  

Backlund should be a 3rd line shut down specialist.

 

But we are asking them both to play one level above where they would be most successful.  It's really too bad Sam Bennett isn't a Doug Gilmour as originally advertised.  We'd have our #1 Center... our rebuild came so close to perfection.  

Maybe he is a 2nd line C, maybe Gaudreau is a 2nd line LW if you consider Tkachuk becoming our best complete player. He is going to be paid like our best Player.

Tkachuk, Lindholm,

Gaudreau, Monahan

Bennett, Backlund

Mangiapane, Ryan

here we are rebuilding our RW side again.

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8 minutes ago, MAC331 said:

Maybe he is a 2nd line C, maybe Gaudreau is a 2nd line LW if you consider Tkachuk becoming our best complete player. He is going to be paid like our best Player.

Tkachuk, Lindholm,

Gaudreau, Monahan

Bennett, Backlund

Mangiapane, Ryan

here we are rebuilding our RW side again.

 

I'm just disappointed.  Monahan, Bennett, and Backlund was supposed to be our Neuiwendyk, Gilmour, Otto.  But alas, Bennett didn't become.

 

Lindholm hasn't played C in 2 years now.  Not sure he can transition back and play at a high level.  I'm okay if he transitions back as a 2nd line C but most likely doesn't cut it as a #1 C.

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20 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I'm just disappointed.  Monahan, Bennett, and Backlund was supposed to be our Neuiwendyk, Gilmour, Otto.  But alas, Bennett didn't become.

 

Lindholm hasn't played C in 2 years now.  Not sure he can transition back and play at a high level.  I'm okay if he transitions back as a 2nd line C but most likely doesn't cut it as a #1 C.

I hear you and to be honest I believe next year would be the year to put Bennett back at C between Tkachuk LW and Lindholm RW. This would be a line that would compete hard for us. I would love to see what Bennett could do with an actual playmaker like Tkachuk rather than him thinking he has to do it all himself. Then with Lindholm they have the best overall player we have on RW.

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