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17 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Not that Janko is a stud or anything, but he's outscored Paquette in both his NHL seasons.

I still think the best idea is a package deal with Brodie or Hammer or Frolik.

 

Janko has outscored him, but with Paquette you will never question the effort and he would make the Flames harder to play against. We have Lucic, may as well supplement him with a C who plays a similar game

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7 hours ago, cross16 said:

 

 

I don't agree with this and not sure where it is coming from. Kylington has made, and continues to make, mistakes on a pretty frequent basis and not only has Peters stuck with him he's made him a more important part of the lineup and given him more freedom. 

 

I'd argue the exact opposite. I thought Kylington really struggled last night and Peters still stuck with him. 

Disagree, think Kylington has come a long way to prove himself a reliable regular, with more to give.

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We have been scouting Ottawa a lot lately.

 

I wonder if we would be targeting Pageau. He seems like a Treliving target. He is a good player, not sure if he is what we need.

 

I feel like this team could use a bit more grit down the middle and on the RW.

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38 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

We have been scouting Ottawa a lot lately.

 

I wonder if we would be targeting Pageau. He seems like a Treliving target. He is a good player, not sure if he is what we need.

 

I feel like this team could use a bit more grit down the middle and on the RW.

 

If it's Ottawa, we would need to be sending someone like Frolik for Pageau.

An alternative is Janko for DeMelo, but I don't know that Ottawa does that (leftover from Karlsson trade).

How about Brodie and Janko for Pageau and DeMelo?

 

It seems that Brodie is being used as a filler right now.

I don't think Hamonic is better, but Brodie is getting the gears for his play lately.

Janko is expendable, but could fit with Ottawa's style of play.

 

I wonder though if they are scouting Toffoli.

He's on the watch list for a TDL or earlier trade.

Maybe he could do well here, but his defensiev play is a little lax.

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On 11/6/2019 at 1:04 PM, travel_dude said:

Considering that we barely get to see the Stone play, I think it's pretty clear he's top 6.

Many don't like his game, which is fair.

He wasn't trusted last year so much, and was out of the playoffs for Fantanberg, who IMHO was a much worse decision.

 

I do think that a player with limited experience at the NHL level deserves some time to grow.

He played a lot on bigger ice surfaces and never played much 5v5 in the AHL with Ras.

i'm thinking that Kylington has been sent down for a spell to get more minutes up here.. His skating is a great asset but if he can get more minutes down there and some PK time.. he will be all that more valuable an asset for the team once he returns.. We do need to recognize the good start that Davidson has had and award him as well as see what we have when needed from the farm

 

 

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I beelive it was Insider Trading that mentioned that right now, with his start, people are thinking Pageau is going to cost a 1st round pick. That's a hard no from me.

 

I know Pageau has been long linked to the Flames and in the past Treliving has eventually landed guys long linked to the Flames but i'm not seeing the value here personally at the rumored cost. 

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41 minutes ago, cross16 said:

I beelive it was Insider Trading that mentioned that right now, with his start, people are thinking Pageau is going to cost a 1st round pick. That's a hard no from me.

 

I know Pageau has been long linked to the Flames and in the past Treliving has eventually landed guys long linked to the Flames but i'm not seeing the value here personally at the rumored cost. 

I don't see a need  for any trade right at the moment as the Flames are finally /// seemingly willing to play a harder game for awhile..my fear is that there will be injuries to accommodate and we will diminished our assets too soon,, if we trade for something shiny and new 

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Looking around for trade targets, I came across Jesper Fast.

 

He might not be the big name we are looking for, but he does check a lot of boxes. He is a RHS RW, he is a good skater, he is good defensively, he kills penalties, and he can be physical.

 

He has a cap hit of $1.85m so he fits our budget. 

 

He seems like a great fit for our team.

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3 hours ago, JTech780 said:

We have been scouting Ottawa a lot lately.

 

I wonder if we would be targeting Pageau. He seems like a Treliving target. He is a good player, not sure if he is what we need.

 

I feel like this team could use a bit more grit down the middle and on the RW.

 

We need RHS RW pretty badly.

 

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3 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

How about Mangiapane for Pageau one for one?  

 

Flames get a RHS C/RW.  Sens get a good young player LW who will be RFA controllable but less established.

 

Can't afford the cap hit.

It would need to be Frolik.

Frolik for Pageau and DeMelo.  ($4.3m to $4.0m)

Or Brodie for Pageau and DeMelo. ($4.65 to $4.0m)

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35 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Can't afford the cap hit.

It would need to be Frolik.

Frolik for Pageau and DeMelo.  ($4.3m to $4.0m)

Or Brodie for Pageau and DeMelo. ($4.65 to $4.0m)

 

We would have to add a pick or a prospect in either deal. It would have to be a significant pick probably if it was Frolik.

 

Frolik probably has negative value at this point, unfortunately.

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8 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

We would have to add a pick or a prospect in either deal. It would have to be a significant pick probably if it was Frolik.

 

Frolik probably has negative value at this point, unfortunately.

 

I would have no issue with the second choice, as much as I think Brodie is better than he has played.

But Ottawa has way too many picks to be worth it to include.  They have 2x1st and 3x2nds.  Just one 3rd.

Pageau isn't my first choice, but he would instantly be better than Janko.

Brodie could do well with the Sens.

 

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1 minute ago, travel_dude said:

 

I would have no issue with the second choice, as much as I think Brodie is better than he has played.

But Ottawa has way too many picks to be worth it to include.  They have 2x1st and 3x2nds.  Just one 3rd.

Pageau isn't my first choice, but he would instantly be better than Janko.

Brodie could do well with the Sens.

 

 

I am just not sure Brodie has a ton of value to a team like Ottawa. I could see them going after him as a UFA, but I can't see them giving up assets for him.

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With how well Mangiapane has looked I would not see the value in moving him for a pending UFA. Flames can't afford it for Pageau anyway but I would not see the value in moving a very good looking cost control option like him for pending UFA. 

 

See how the season develops but right now i'm much more attracted to keeping Mangiapane then moving him. 

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18 minutes ago, cross16 said:

With how well Mangiapane has looked I would not see the value in moving him for a pending UFA. Flames can't afford it for Pageau anyway but I would not see the value in moving a very good looking cost control option like him for pending UFA. 

 

See how the season develops but right now i'm much more attracted to keeping Mangiapane then moving him. 

 

That was like when we had 4 stud LD and thought everything would work itself out.

 

Regehr

Bouwmeester

Phaneuf

Giordano

 

Well, it didn't work.  We have too many LW right now.  If it means losing a trade slightly to gain balance, then we have to trust we are a better team with the balance than with individuals.  

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1 hour ago, The_People1 said:

 

That was like when we had 4 stud LD and thought everything would work itself out.

 

Regehr

Bouwmeester

Phaneuf

Giordano

 

Well, it didn't work.  We have too many LW right now.  If it means losing a trade slightly to gain balance, then we have to trust we are a better team with the balance than with individuals.  


If you want to talk about moving Mangiapane for a cost controlled RW who is also young then ok. Moving him for a pending UFA? That doesn’t make sense. 
 

I also think it was hardly a lack of balance that doomed that D core. 

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2 hours ago, JTech780 said:

 

I am just not sure Brodie has a ton of value to a team like Ottawa. I could see them going after him as a UFA, but I can't see them giving up assets for him.

 

Pageau and Hainsey are pending UFA's.

Brannstrom will need a vet to play with.

 

I would amend the deal to be Brodie + Janko for Pageau + DeMelo.

Works out to be about the same as Brodie + Janko for Kadri.

In fact, Kadri was worth a heck of a lot more than Pageau.

Ottawa gets a better D-man and lesser C.

One that is a Corsi darling.

Which is strange, cinsidering the lack of results.

 

Just throwing it out there.

BT doesn't just do single player swaps, and there is no single player that makes sense cap wise.

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8 minutes ago, cross16 said:


If you want to talk about moving Mangiapane for a cost controlled RW who is also young then ok. Moving him for a pending UFA? That doesn’t make sense. 
 

I also think it was hardly a lack of balance that doomed that D core. 

I would not consider moving Mangiapane at this point.

He's got more heart than a lot of our team.

And he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

I say that because I feel his strength is holding him back right now.

Gets knocked down too easily.

Falls a lot.

That's a strength training issue in my mind.

 

He's not big, but that doesn;t mean he can;t be as effective as Gallagher or Byron.

Those guys take hits al the time and come out on their feet.

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1 hour ago, cross16 said:


If you want to talk about moving Mangiapane for a cost controlled RW who is also young then ok. Moving him for a pending UFA? That doesn’t make sense. 

 

Fair, but RHS RW will always have more trade value than a LHS LW because of rarity.  If you are looking for an equal deal then that will almost never happen and we will always be short of RHS RW.  At some point, we gotta accept a slight loss to get one.

 

Talent wise, both players are close right now.  Mangiapane obviously has more time to improve but we do we wait while we settle for mediocrity on RW?  

 

Puljujarvi is there.

Ho Sang is available.

Both are major downgrades to Mangiapane but give you the cost control.

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1 hour ago, The_People1 said:

 

Fair, but RHS RW will always have more trade value than a LHS LW because of rarity.  If you are looking for an equal deal then that will almost never happen and we will always be short of RHS RW.  At some point, we gotta accept a slight loss to get one.

 

Talent wise, both players are close right now.  Mangiapane obviously has more time to improve but we do we wait while we settle for mediocrity on RW?  

 

Puljujarvi is there.

Ho Sang is available.

Both are major downgrades to Mangiapane but give you the cost control.

I get what you're saying but disagree. Coaching will always overcome this. Keep the best player. In this case, Mangiapane.

I think the 1st line should be JG-Lindholm-Mangiapane personally.

And I don't think I'm being outrageous. I compare Mangiapane to Rittich in ways. "Have you done everything we asked"? Yup.

Give him a shot, he's a scorer is my thoughts. Give him a workload and some leash. Like Rittich in that way imo.

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I want to trade Backlund...I don’t take him for granted but I think we’ve seen all there is to see there. He’s steady and dependable but he takes some really dumb penalties some truly backbreaking ones at that! Ideally we need a 2nd line C scoring 60+ pts...Backlund caps out at around 50 pts when at his best. He still holds very good value league wide and we can get a player with upside and likely younger with more offensive potential. If we can’t find another 2nd line C via trade we could still consider Lindholm as a more than viable replacement on that line. 

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44 minutes ago, rickross said:

I want to trade Backlund...I don’t take him for granted but I think we’ve seen all there is to see there. He’s steady and dependable but he takes some really dumb penalties some truly backbreaking ones at that! Ideally we need a 2nd line C scoring 60+ pts...Backlund caps out at around 50 pts when at his best. He still holds very good value league wide and we can get a player with upside and likely younger with more offensive potential. If we can’t find another 2nd line C via trade we could still consider Lindholm as a more than viable replacement on that line. 

 

I don’t think he has the trade value you think he does.  He’s an over 30 player on a long term deal over 5 million per.  He’s not the kind of player you rebuild with, yet the only teams who might take his salary are teams looking to do just that.  I just don’t see any good trading partners out there.

 

Plus he has a NTC.

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2 hours ago, rickross said:

I want to trade Backlund...I don’t take him for granted but I think we’ve seen all there is to see there. He’s steady and dependable but he takes some really dumb penalties some truly backbreaking ones at that! Ideally we need a 2nd line C scoring 60+ pts...Backlund caps out at around 50 pts when at his best. He still holds very good value league wide and we can get a player with upside and likely younger with more offensive potential. If we can’t find another 2nd line C via trade we could still consider Lindholm as a more than viable replacement on that line. 

 

Lindholm as a Backlund replacement tops out at 50 points.

Backlund's value has always been what he allows the other lines and players to do.

He generates a ton of chances.

His shot placement seems a bit off, and he's only scoring on 7%.

Like Monahan this year.

 

I think we have other options for the lines that would explot the offense a bit more without giving up the defensive side.

But you probably need to keep Backlund to do it.

 

Two scoring lines.

One of them is not the Bennett-Ryan line.

We have 4 or 5 players that could form 2 elite scoring lines.

JH, Monahan, Lindholm, Tkachuk.  For sake of argument, I would also suggest Mangiapane.

These are offense thinking players.

They go to the right spots to score.

Play them the most minutes in the best situations.

Find the 6th player that best fits.

 

Backlund becomes the defensive line specialist. 

Don;t play him on the PP.

Give him the toughest starts.

Give him players that you don't mind scoring less then 30 points.

Maybe that's where Dube fits in.

He becomes the new Backlund.

In the meantime, you have 2 elite scoring lines and a reat shutdown line.

4th line is at least meant to chew up minutes and bring energy.

 

Backlund has value, but he's a difficult type of player to trade.

Teams want him but won't give you an offensive player in return.

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2 hours ago, rickross said:

I want to trade Backlund...I don’t take him for granted but I think we’ve seen all there is to see there. He’s steady and dependable but he takes some really dumb penalties some truly backbreaking ones at that! Ideally we need a 2nd line C scoring 60+ pts...Backlund caps out at around 50 pts when at his best. He still holds very good value league wide and we can get a player with upside and likely younger with more offensive potential. If we can’t find another 2nd line C via trade we could still consider Lindholm as a more than viable replacement on that line. 

 

I think Backlund's contract is decent enough that he can be our 3rd line Checking/Defensive Center and asked to put up 30-points.  But I know what you mean.  Generally speaking, we need an upgrade to 2nd line C... preferably someone capable of 60 to 65-points.  Kadri nearly happened and it didn't need to cost Backlund.

 

 

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