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The Aussies have implemented the "Australian Values Test" for people that seek citizenship...   I like it...   http://aussietest.com/values-statement/

 

Canada needs to take similar measures...   It should have been done a long time ago...

Life in Australia and the Values Statement

If you are thinking of applying for a temporary or permanent visa to come to Australia then you will need to read Life in Australia and sign the Australian Values Statement before you come.

 

The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) published the document, which provides information about Australian history, culture, society and values.

 

The DIAC is the government department responsible for managing migration. If you want to stay in Australia permanently then the DIAC will process your visa, permanent residence and citizenship applications.

 

Australian Values Statement

Life in Australia also provides information about the Australian Values Statement. If you are applying for a permanent visa, and/or intending to apply for citizenship then you will need to sign the statement.

 

The full text of the statement is below. Its purpose is to make sure that you understand the values Australian culture is based on and what will be expected of you when you are in the country.

 

I confirm that I have read, or had explained to me, information provided by the Australian Government on Australian society and values.

 

I understand:

 

  • Australian society values respect for the freedom and dignity of the individual, freedom of religion, commitment to the rule of law, parliamentary democracy, equality of men and women and a spirit of egalitarianism that embraces mutual respect, tolerance, fair play and compassion for those in need and pursuit of the public good.
  • Australian society values equality of opportunity for individuals, regardless of their race, religion or ethnic background.
  • The English language, as the national language, is an important unifying element of Australian society.
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I undertake to respect these values of Australian society during my stay in Australia and to obey the laws of Australia.

 

I understand that, if I should seek to become an Australian citizen:

 

  • Australian citizenship is a shared identity, a common bond which unites all Australians while respecting their diversity.
  • Australian citizenship involves reciprocal rights and responsibilities. The responsibilities of Australian citizenship include obeying Australian laws, including those relating to voting at elections and serving on a jury.
  • If I meet the legal qualifications for becoming an Australian citizen and my application is approved, I understand that I would have to pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people.
  •  

For internet applications, the main visa applicant will be asked to select a button to indicate either ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to the values statement. If the application includes dependants who are aged 18 years or over, there is an extra paragraph in the statement which reads:

 

All other persons included in this application, who are aged 18 years or over, have advised me that they have read, or had explained to them, information provided by the Australian Government on Australian society and values and agree with the statement above.

 

You can download Life in Australia (PDF, 1.1MB) from the DIAC website. The DIAC will also post a free copy to you in the post - you can find more information about this on the Life in Australia book page of the DIAC website.

 

Life in Australia and Our Common Bond

As well as providing a lot of useful and interesting information for people coming to Australia for the first time, Life in Australia also acts as a good introduction to the citizenship test study materials.

 

Much of the information provided also comes up in the study materials for the citizenship test, Our Common Bond. By taking the time to read and understand Life in Australia then you should find much of the testable materials familiar when you come to apply for citizenship.

 

It should then be a quick and easy process to learn the materials for the test. With the help of our Online Tests you can be sure that you are completely prepared to pass the test first time.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Carty said:

 

Trump said the illegal border crosser's would be arrested and detained...   They will build tent camps to house them or whatever is required...   No more catch and release...

Are they going to use barbless hooks?

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2 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Are they going to use barbless hooks?

 

What do you think is the best way to handle these illegal migrants?

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22 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

What do you think is the best way to handle these illegal migrants?

Make up some displays and brochures with immigration applications. Space them 50 ft apart along the border. Much cheaper and much less aggressive than a wall.

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2 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Make up some displays and brochures with immigration applications. Space them 50 ft apart along the border. Much cheaper and much less aggressive than a wall.

 

This is the solution?

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How come when a Far Right extremist sends mail bombs and kills nobody, it's "We have a Far Right problem in this country".  

 

But when a Far Left anti-Trumper shoots up a synagogue and kills people, it's, "we have a gun problem in this country".

 

Mainstream media is so predictable.

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-caravan-migrants-to-trump-we-are-not-killers/

 

Mainstream Media is at it again.

 

MSM wants to paint this migrant caravan debate as "these migrants are terrorists vs not terrorists".  They want the Far Right to resemble islampbobes, terrorists phobes, Hispanic phobes, and just plain racists.   

 

The real position of the Far Right is, "I know you are not a dangerous person but did you fill out your application for immigration and lined up like everybody else in the world who is just looking for a better life for you and your family?  Or are you trying to budge the line?"

 

We all wants immigrants and we all welcome immigrants.  But the Right wants to vet for quality.  When is MSM going to report truths rather than misrepresent and lie?

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On 11/1/2018 at 8:34 PM, The_People1 said:

 

What do you think is the best way to handle these illegal migrants?

Give them a job and temporary housing and care Building a Wall

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4 hours ago, The_People1 said:

Democrats have retaken the House!  My Lefty friends rejoice.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/midterms-trump-results-1.4894601

 

 

I am not rejoicing myself given it is a US election. My take is that the US is generally happy with Trump and endorsed his policies. Of course, there was no way that the Democrats would ever have taken the Senate. They already held most of the seats up for grabs, so they had more to lose, and lose they did. They cannot make appointments or impeach, but they do have the ability to raise taxes and declare war. Say goodbye to the wall that was never to be.

 

The Democrats should be worried about the rift in their party which keeps getting larger. The Ocasio-Cortezs are gonna start feuding with the Pelosis very soon. I suspect that it will get ugly.

 

So, pretty much a ho hum election.

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55 minutes ago, Cowtownguy said:

I am not rejoicing myself given it is a US election. My take is that the US is generally happy with Trump and endorsed his policies. Of course, there was no way that the Democrats would ever have taken the Senate. They already held most of the seats up for grabs, so they had more to lose, and lose they did. They cannot make appointments or impeach, but they do have the ability to raise taxes and declare war. Say goodbye to the wall that was never to be.

 

As soon as the Dems took the House, MSM went on a rampage with buzz words like "impeach", "investigate", "stop the wall", "stop tax plan", etc.

 

I'm here thinking, what does MSM think NeoConservatives have been doing for the past 2 years?  Trump has met immense resistance from his supposed "own" party.  But here again is MSM propagating a false equivalence that all Neo-Conservatives and "Alt-Right" are one and the same.

 

The NeoCons have investigated Trump with Meuller to no avail.  The NeoCons have blocked funding for the wall.  NeoCons are blocking Trump tax cuts.

 

And the NeoCons lost power in the House to what appears to be favorable Progressives (true Leftists as opposed to Neo-Liberals).  This is somewhat of a positive outcome for Trump.  At least Progressives have a platform and Trump can make trades with them.

 

1 hour ago, Cowtownguy said:

The Democrats should be worried about the rift in their party which keeps getting larger. The Ocasio-Cortezs are gonna start feuding with the Pelosis very soon. I suspect that it will get ugly.

 

Specifically, the Neo-Liberals need to worry, not "Democrats" per se.  Cortez's represent true Leftism/socialism.  Neo-Liberals are pro-oil, pro-wall street, pro-war, aka Clinton's, Obama's, Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, etc.  Or to say, very Right of Center.  They talk Left but once they got in power, actions spoke louder than words.

 

If you are a Progressive, then you need to hate Pelosi, one of the biggest Neo-Liberals in the House.  She has massive corporate backing, completely sold out to big money.  She's slated to be the House speaker and also the face of the Democrats moving into 2020.  This is disasterous for Progressives.  This is the worst outcome for Leftists.

 

Not to mention, she's a lifetime politician who has baggage and has said some pretty dumb things in the past.  Trump will rip her to shreds... And she's likely going to be one of the big tickets in 2020.

 

Right now, the Neo-Liberals have no real platform.  They are running on "Orange man bad" and that's no platform at all.  Cortez and the like have a platform.  They want to move the country Left.  With what seems like an increase of Progressives in the House, Trump may actually be able to do deals with them to trade one item for another.  They can work together.  They can fund the wall in return for legalization of marijuana at the Federal level, for example.  Had Neo-Libs or Neo-Cons won more seats in the House, it would truly be a blockade of Trump for two years.

 

So ya, Progressives winning is a blessing in disguise.  That's my prediction.  MSM won't tell you this.  They want to tell you there are only two parties.  Just black and white when there's actually a lot of grey and various clashing ideologies on both sides of the spectrum.  Prior to Progressives making head ways, I would agree, the wall is dead.  But now there is hope.

 

And no, there is no impeachment because there was no Russian collusion by the Trump campaign, only collusion with Russia in Hillary's campaign.

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They are never going to impeach Trump. They need the Senate for that, and I doubt many Republican Senators are against him. From what I gather, everywhere Trump went to support Republican candidates, their vote share soared. He is amazing at getting out his vote, even if it is smaller overall than the opposition vote. He did it in 2016 and again this time.

 

The only thing more amazing is that the Democrats think that it will not happen again next time. That tells me they really don't get it. I don't think that Clinton per se rattled Trump voters. She really just symbolized their angst. I suspect it is more about what she stands for. A big part of that is the extreme identity politics that is alienating people. The majority feels that politics are not responsive to them at the very time that minorities are being accommodated left, right, and centre. That is also why Trump can say the most terrible things, and his base just loves him more. Trump is not a populist as the media make him out to be.

 

I will say that the Democrats are still really screwing up policy wise in terms of immigration. This is a real issue and they have not generated an alternative to Trump's dumb idea of a wall. It will never happen, but it is better than no policy at all. 

 

Pelosi must be seriously worried. I mean, it is like "The Purge: Election year". The first thing that these new Democrats need to do is dump her because many ran on that platform. If they are successful, then they will turn their attention to Trump. That would be Trump's wet dream. He can stop the media conspiracy talk (or reduce it) and go after the real opposition. The Democrats will be unable to resist going after him. They will demand his tax returns, demand that he be cross-examined in court etc. Each move will look like the minority screwing over the majority again and again. Can you imagine Trump's base if a bunch of young, female, visible minority lesbians, come demanding his tax returns etc.? 

 

Trump already has his tax cuts and doesn't want to declare war anytime soon, so the loss of Congress is really no big deal.

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18 hours ago, Cowtownguy said:

 

The only thing more amazing is that the Democrats think that it will not happen again next time. That tells me they really don't get it. I don't think that Clinton per se rattled Trump voters. She really just symbolized their angst. I suspect it is more about what she stands for. A big part of that is the extreme identity politics that is alienating people. The majority feels that politics are not responsive to them at the very time that minorities are being accommodated left, right, and centre. That is also why Trump can say the most terrible things, and his base just loves him more. Trump is not a populist as the media make him out to be.

 

I think you are partly right but also missing a key element.

 

Let's say there are 120-million voters in the US.  About 50-mil will vote Democrat even if Joseph Stalin was running.  Approx 50-mil will vote Republican even if Hitler himself was running.  And sure, a small percentage of these people are racists, hate minorites, Evangelical extremists, etc.  This is the group you are referring to as "Republican" most of the time.

 

But the most important group are the 20-mil independent voters who have no party loyalty and would vote Bush or Obama on any given election.

 

The voters in this important group do not see this as a "majority vs minority" thing.  This is more of an "anti-corruption" movement and rebellion against establishment politicians.  More Blacks and Hispanics voted Republican this time around than in 2016.  People just don't want sky palaces and entitled establishment politicians angling policies in their personal favor... Funneling money to their friends.

 

I know you may be thinking Trump is a corrupted person so this can't be true.  But Trump is less corrupt than Hillary with no previous political history to prove otherwise. 

 

Trump appeals to voters who are anti-establishment politicians.

 

So when the Leftist media and Democrats push "we are anti-Orange Man" they only excite their own Democrat base to go vote.  Only the 50-mil people.  That doesn't offer much to the 20-mil evaluating who has a better platform.  Democrats have no platform right now other that anti-Trump.  And that's not a platform.

 

Like you said, Trump actually offers a solution to illegal immigration (even though it may be a stupid idea), at least it's something. 

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