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I was willing to give Ceci a pass for how he looked in Ottawa as that was a mess of a situation. however, he went to the Leafs and looked just as bad even when put into a reduced role. 

 

He's not horrible defensively so if the Flames want to cotninue with their passive, collapse down, strategy he would make sense as a RS for the 3rd pairing but that isn't where they should be leaning. He should not be a target for them. 

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6 hours ago, cross16 said:

I was willing to give Ceci a pass for how he looked in Ottawa as that was a mess of a situation. however, he went to the Leafs and looked just as bad even when put into a reduced role. 

 

He's not horrible defensively so if the Flames want to cotninue with their passive, collapse down, strategy he would make sense as a RS for the 3rd pairing but that isn't where they should be leaning. He should not be a target for them. 


Agreed. And I’m related to him 😬

 

Bring back Gus!

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1 hour ago, lou44291 said:


Agreed. And I’m related to him 😬

 

Bring back Gus!

 

I wouldn't mind Gus at $1.5m or less.

He's probably worth $2mx2 but I am loathe to add that much for a PP specialist.

Besides, I think that between Valimaki and Ras, we have enough D for the PP.

 

I think we seriously should consider Bobby Ryan on a 1 year prove it deal.

Big Ern can work with him to keep him on the wagon.

He stil has some miles left.

Would give us some options in the top 9.

 

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2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I wouldn't mind Gus at $1.5m or less.

He's probably worth $2mx2 but I am loathe to add that much for a PP specialist.

Besides, I think that between Valimaki and Ras, we have enough D for the PP.

 

I think we seriously should consider Bobby Ryan on a 1 year prove it deal.

Big Ern can work with him to keep him on the wagon.

He stil has some miles left.

Would give us some options in the top 9.

 

I think every team in the league including OTT would be looking at adding BR on a 1 year, $1M deal. The question is why would BR choose CGY when he already has $65M in the bank? Maybe he likes the foothills? I think there are teams out there that could get BR on a cheap 1yr deal, but not CGY.

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18 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

Let me put it this way:

 

Brodie with a guy that is and can be bad does not come close to value of a true #1D.

Brodie by himself is actually a lot closer.

 


 

ok so let me put it this way then, Brodie plus a possible upgrade on Hammer would be better than AP alone regardless if he’s a #1 D, you still have to fill RD pairs 2 and 3, but signing AP would leave a watered down D past the 1pair, I’d suggest AP would require a trade or two which would also probably cost Hanifin as a guess but what I’m getting at signing AP fill only 1 of two holes on the Right side D, makes no sense 

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Andersson is a bonafide #3/4 guy. If he’s slotted there then you have the proper depth on D. We need to fill #2&5/6. Brodie is good but keeps us static or mediocre.i don’t think Andersson and Gio make us a cup contender if they’re a pair. We need that very good to elite first pair RD. I love Brodes and feel he’s a 2/3 but needs a stud as his other half, which Gio is, but are they winning us Cups?

 

signing a Petro gets a true #1/2 guy. After that Välimäki fills 4D with Andersson and then we need to fill #5/6RD. 
 

Giordano, Petro

Valamaki, Andersson

Kylington, Someone heavy/shutdown guy


I want a mean D, but don’t Think we are getting that.

 

i am with others who feel we can have PP guys in the 2nd pair if we are going to continue with the 4F set up.

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3 hours ago, MP5029 said:


 

ok so let me put it this way then, Brodie plus a possible upgrade on Hammer would be better than AP alone regardless if he’s a #1 D, you still have to fill RD pairs 2 and 3, but signing AP would leave a watered down D past the 1pair, I’d suggest AP would require a trade or two which would also probably cost Hanifin as a guess but what I’m getting at signing AP fill only 1 of two holes on the Right side D, makes no sense 

 

If you keep mentioning Brodie and Ceci, then you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Ceci is not an upgrade on Hammer.

He and Brodie would likely cost more than AP.

Neither will be cheap.

With AP alone, we can probably keep Hanifin, if we make other moves.

Gio-AP

Hanifin-Ras

Mackey-Kylington

Yelesin

 

 

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50 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

If you keep mentioning Brodie and Ceci, then you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Ceci is not an upgrade on Hammer.

He and Brodie would likely cost more than AP.

Neither will be cheap.

With AP alone, we can probably keep Hanifin, if we make other moves.

Gio-AP

Hanifin-Ras

Mackey-Kylington

Yelesin

 

 


 

that’s not even including Välimäki. Do you think he should play where he can be in a place where he’d have less of a chance to get injured, plus get back to developing.

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27 minutes ago, robrob74 said:


 

that’s not even including Välimäki. Do you think he should play where he can be in a place where he’d have less of a chance to get injured, plus get back to developing.

 

Sorry, for some reason I left him off.

I for one think Valimaki is and will be ready for 2nd pairing minutes.

I think the overseas season will put him in top form coming back to Canada in December.

For some reason, I am believing that they are getting set to trade Hanifin.

He's on a relative bargain with cost-certainty for 4 years.

Cap-strapped teams might want him just for that.

Hey, if we sign AP, maybe STL would trade for Hanifin.

One of their younger forwards.

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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

Sorry, for some reason I left him off.

I for one think Valimaki is and will be ready for 2nd pairing minutes.

I think the overseas season will put him in top form coming back to Canada in December.

For some reason, I am believing that they are getting set to trade Hanifin.

He's on a relative bargain with cost-certainty for 4 years.

Cap-strapped teams might want him just for that.

Hey, if we sign AP, maybe STL would trade for Hanifin.

One of their younger forwards.


 

same. I hope they can pick up a top 6 RW for him. But what teams have an excess of RWers on their rosters and need D, Toronto? I guess they just got rid of Kapanen. 

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1 hour ago, robrob74 said:


 

same. I hope they can pick up a top 6 RW for him. But what teams have an excess of RWers on their rosters and need D, Toronto? I guess they just got rid of Kapanen. 

 

Nylander for Hanifin makes sense to both clubs.  Not a great contract, though.

Then again, there are those that watch a lot of Leafs games and HATE Nylander.

A RHS winger would be benefition for CGY, though.

Imagine what impact it would be to have a 30 goal RW on the team.

At worst, he's 3rd line to play with Bennett and Dube.

At best, he is a Backlund RW'er.

Doesn't make sense to move him to the top line, unless they struggle as is.

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10 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Nylander for Hanifin makes sense to both clubs.  Not a great contract, though.

Then again, there are those that watch a lot of Leafs games and HATE Nylander.

A RHS winger would be benefition for CGY, though.

Imagine what impact it would be to have a 30 goal RW on the team.

At worst, he's 3rd line to play with Bennett and Dube.

At best, he is a Backlund RW'er.

Doesn't make sense to move him to the top line, unless they struggle as is.


 

the hope is that he awakens with more responsibility. In TO he doesn’t have to be “the man” and maybe it’s what plays into the lack of motivation?

 

imagine playing behind Matthews; Marner and Tavares?

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5 minutes ago, robrob74 said:


 

the hope is that he awakens with more responsibility. In TO he doesn’t have to be “the man” and maybe it’s what plays into the lack of motivation?

 

imagine playing behind Matthews; Marner and Tavares?

 

I think he gets a bum wrap, but I do like his skills.

I doubt TO goes for this, as he's not a RD.

Muzzin is the LD version of Hamonic, but a lot better.

Hanifin would give them another puck mover like O'Reilly.

 

For us, it makes sense if we were signing AP.

TO can't really position their team to sign him, even by trading Nylander.

Sure, it give them some usable cap, but really less than $2m.

That's not enough to sign AP.

  

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4 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

If you keep mentioning Brodie and Ceci, then you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Ceci is not an upgrade on Hammer.

He and Brodie would likely cost more than AP.

Neither will be cheap.

With AP alone, we can probably keep Hanifin, if we make other moves.

Gio-AP

Hanifin-Ras

Mackey-Kylington

Yelesin

 

 


I don’t think so AP is gonna cost 9+ mil, while agreed it would be nice, the only way that move makes any sense is if your gonna move out Gio and do a full retool on the D, keeping your core as Valimaki, AP(the elder statesman) Hanifin, Ras, and Kylington and bringing in another 1/2 decent and under 30 LD...though that wouldn’t be a bad thing bringing the Dcore closer to the forward core age bracket and expanding the window...

 

as for Brodie, Gio and Brodie are a pair of amazing D together but neither has done as well when paired with other D...Gio was paired with Hamilton for a while and although Hamilton got a bit better Gio slipped, although Ras did a pretty decent job with Gio, still nothing like the Gio Brodie team...same goes for Brodie so it’s both or both satay or go is the best thing...and age Decline consideration factored in, I’d be on board with moving/letting them walk for a retool on the D...

 

as for Cicei, he had bad number on two very terrible D teams, he’s a solid all round D, though admittedly the price to sign him my be a bit beyond his actual on ice worth 5mil Or less he’sgreat, over 5mil too high...he’s most definitely an upgrade on Hammer who has dropped way off...not the Hammer of a few years ago, no but of late he’s a perfect #2 RD...at the right $$$$ of course...I know Ras is that now but I’m of the group that thinks he can be the #1 RD with Valimaki as his #1 LD (obviously this would be a year or so behind for Valimaki) but it’s time to let Ras take the reins of Brodie is going...but in an ideal world I’d rather see:

 

Gio/Brodie

Hanifin/Ras

Valimaki/Cicei 

Kylington 

 

which would be a more all round D than:

 

Gio/AP

Hanifan/Ras

Valimaki/Kylington?

?????

 

pretty sure Brodie if he would sign, but may heel slighted and cant blame him, would sign around 5.5, and Cicei probably around 5 as well, And  I know the numbers are around the same as AP but there is more balance and grit on the Brodie Cicei option, that ????? Mark could also apply to Kylington, he’s not quite ready...a year or so maybe but is too much of a ?, and personally I think he would be better off in the AHL for a full season and then next year he could slot in on the bottom 3rd pair going with AP your kinda handcuffed with a high price tag and we have done that too many times and got burned by it 

 

 

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I keep forgetting he is a UFA but I'd really like to see the Flames target Trevor Van Riemsdyk. Solid bottom pairing RS dman who i think would be a nice solidifying piece to have either Valimaki or Kylington paired with, depending on how that shakes out. 

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12 hours ago, MP5029 said:

pretty sure Brodie if he would sign, but may heel slighted and cant blame him, would sign around 5.5, and Cicei probably around 5 as well, And  I know the numbers are around the same as AP but there is more balance and grit on the Brodie Cicei option, that ????? Mark could also apply to Kylington, he’s not quite ready...a year or so maybe but is too much of a ?, and personally I think he would be better off in the AHL for a full season and then next year he could slot in on the bottom 3rd pair going with AP your kinda handcuffed with a high price tag and we have done that too many times and got burned by it 

 

That's an overpayment for Ceci IMHO.

Brodie may be accurate, but then again it depends on term.

 

I think the thing is that the team was okay in moving Brodie, so letting him walk is probably the right thing to do all around.

He gets a chance to get paid.

He chooses where he goes (assuming more than one offer).

 

If you are think 10m, then AP + Valimaki is around the same.

I doubt Gio would struggle with AP.

 

The D core consisting of:

Gio-AP

Hanifin-Ras

Valimaki-Mackey/Kylington/Yelesin

 

That a pretty solid core.

We only have to protect 3D; AP, Ras, Hanifin.

AM I the only one who thinks that Yelesin is NHL ready?

He had a very limited cup of coffee, but he was pretty much flawless.

Not remarkable in any sense, but mistake free (almost).

I mean he's a stay at home type, so you could pair him with skaters like Haifin or Valimaki.

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43 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

That's an overpayment for Ceci IMHO.

Brodie may be accurate, but then again it depends on term.

 

I think the thing is that the team was okay in moving Brodie, so letting him walk is probably the right thing to do all around.

He gets a chance to get paid.

He chooses where he goes (assuming more than one offer).

 

If you are think 10m, then AP + Valimaki is around the same.

I doubt Gio would struggle with AP.

 

The D core consisting of:

Gio-AP

Hanifin-Ras

Valimaki-Mackey/Kylington/Yelesin

 

That a pretty solid core.

We only have to protect 3D; AP, Ras, Hanifin.

AM I the only one who thinks that Yelesin is NHL ready?

He had a very limited cup of coffee, but he was pretty much flawless.

Not remarkable in any sense, but mistake free (almost).

I mean he's a stay at home type, so you could pair him with skaters like Haifin or Valimaki.


Well that’s solid point about the protection for the expansion draft, I forgot about that!  Definitely I’m now kinda rethinking...

 

as for Yeltsin I’m not sure...but if he is that also needs to be considered, if he is, that also changes things especially with the expansion draft as he would not need to be protected so having to only protect 3 d would be a considerable advantage.

 

I agree about my estimated cost to sign Cicei, I was juts guessing based on his current salary he may cost more to sign but his stats could bring him lower if other teams think it’s him and not the port teams..hard to say? 

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14 hours ago, cross16 said:

I keep forgetting he is a UFA but I'd really like to see the Flames target Trevor Van Riemsdyk. Solid bottom pairing RS dman who i think would be a nice solidifying piece to have either Valimaki or Kylington paired with, depending on how that shakes out. 


 

I think that the flames could balance out the high skill on D with fundamentally defensive minded players it could go a long way. Maybe not necessarily brutish punishing D, but I’d not complain if that was what they do. 

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Ok so I have given some thought to this AP idea, and was wondering if Brodie Walks and we do AP what if...

 

Gio to Toronto for Nylander 

 

Gio safest TO a touch on the salary cap, we have room for both Nylander and AP but then we have a few issues on the top LD and also still need to sign a goalie with about 9m doable? 
 

Gio is a native of TO so he may wave to go, and Nylander is a native of Cgy and his dad was one of our best players for a long time...plus on a team basis, both players fill a desperate need RW for Cgy and A veteran D for TO..not sure if TO would go for it but they simply can’t afford AP or OEL but Gio they can and he brings a lot of other intangibles missing in TO...

 

again just a spit ball idea

 

also, we could keep both JG and Mony together...they are one of the very best duos in the game...and we wouldn’t need to look at Hall 

 

not sure how the d would shake out but withAP’s leadership they could try:

 

Valimaki/ AP

Hanifin/Ras

Kyllington/Yeltsin (or sign a FA)

????(sign a FA)

 

as for up front it could be mixed and matched however you like on the top 6 plus the 3rd line was fine in the playoffs

 

jG/ Monahan/Nylander 

Tachuck/Backlund/Lindholm 

Lucic/Bennet/manji 

 

mmm, less roster player moves up front too, not a bad thing 

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What will Dadanov cost? Numbers looked good last year, dropped a bit this year. Would a 5or 5.5 be reasonable and do we want a player like him? He may be looking for more. He plays a position of need for us. But maybe is too costly cap wise.

 

how about Gudas or DeMelo? 
like Cross said, Van Reimsdyke?

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Part of the decision around signing UFAs this season need to account for the expansion draft next season. Some fans will argue that you worry about the draft just before the draft or at the TDL but there are rules that fans seem to forget with the expansion. 
 

It is not just about who you protect, but also who you expose to be picked. 
 

Protect 7-3-1 or 8-1 but also 

 

Expose 2-1-1 with experience on contract or qualified RFA.

 

This exposure rule makes things more difficult. Due to expansion, it would be a mistake to have 2 high end goalies as you will need to expose 1 during the draft. Rittich on current contract doesn’t count as it expires before the expansion. Flames will need to sign another G or re-sign Rittich just to satisfy this requirement. 
 

The Flames have the same issue at D. If the Flames sign a big name D like Pietrangelo, if Giordano doesn’t waive his clause, then you are exposing 1 of Andersson or Hanifin.

 

Based on current contracts, forwards are easier. If they extend Mangiapane, Dube and Bennett, they would all qualify. Signing someone like Hall without moving Gaudreau or Monahan would still be possible to protect everyone else but doesn’t leave much room to protect a RW or C.

 

For this reason I see a different way to sign Bobby Ryan. While most could / would offer 1 year at 1 mil, why not offer 3 years at 1.5 million? The understanding would be that he becomes one of the exposed forwards at reasonable cost with experience. If he pots 10+ goals, he earned the 1.5. The difference would be the extra term to attract him. As he is getting paid over 1.8 million for each of the next 4 seasons, I would think the 3 year offer would be more appealing than offer 2 million for 1 season.

 

Just looking at signing players a little differently.

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30 minutes ago, bosn111 said:

This exposure rule makes things more difficult. Due to expansion, it would be a mistake to have 2 high end goalies as you will need to expose 1 during the draft. Rittich on current contract doesn’t count as it expires before the expansion. Flames will need to sign another G or re-sign Rittich just to satisfy this requirement. 

 

I would suspect the Flames will qualify/re-sign either (or both) of Nick Schneider or Tyler Parsons which would then meet their exposure requirement for the expansion draft. 

 

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On 9/29/2020 at 7:13 PM, travel_dude said:

 

I wouldn't mind Gus at $1.5m or less.

He's probably worth $2mx2 but I am loathe to add that much for a PP specialist.

Besides, I think that between Valimaki and Ras, we have enough D for the PP.

 

I think we seriously should consider Bobby Ryan on a 1 year prove it deal.

Big Ern can work with him to keep him on the wagon.

He stil has some miles left.

Would give us some options in the top 9.

 

booby ryan is apparently red hot on going to Philly and is willing to wait and see if they can fit him in there before he considers any other offers

 

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