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Unless I missed some breaking news today we have the following defencemen out nursing injuries:

Ehrhoff Salo

Mitchell Rome

O'Brien

Am I missing anyone? lol....

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[quote name='TheAce wrote:


CehNehDeh']Unless I missed some breaking news today we have the following defencemen out nursing injuries:

Ehrhoff Salo

Mitchell Rome

O'Brien

Am I missing anyone? lol....

We cant even call up Lukowich because he had season ending surgery on his shoulder. . . .

At least we still have Alberts................................

  

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Ehrhoff will play tonight. Oberg called up.

Pairings tonight:

Ehrhoff - Bieksa

Edler - Oberg

Alberts - Baumgartner

AV also admitted to trying to get Henrik some points. Will put out the Ehrhoff/Bieksa pairing with them as much as possible.

what other incentive can the Canucks even have going into this meaningless game? I get that it'd be nice to go into the Playoffs on a winning note but after tonight our record is 0-0 anyways.

Hopefully Ehrhoff is fully ready to play. I'd hate for him to be in there for any other reason.

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have you ever been to GM place? Vancouver fans are the most hateful, intolerant, ignorant jack checking from behind on the planet. You don't hear us chanting "Vancouver sucks" Or laser beaming athletes in the eyes, Or starting fights with opposing teams fans because you lost... Poor baby.

I live in Van and I go to 95% of the games the flames play here and there is NOTHING friendly about any of them.

You are all a joke, and give hockey fans EVERYWHERE a bad name.

Living in the past + blind hatred = posts like this.

Vancouver would welcome your reloaction.

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wafff....Crosby with 5 points with a period to play. If that dude gets 8 points tonight to win the scoring title it'll be the stuff that legends are made of. CRAZY!

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wafff....Crosby with 5 points with a period to play. If that dude gets 8 points tonight to win the scoring title it'll be the stuff that legends are made of. CRAZY!
Well he finished with a 5 point night. What a last minute surge in any event!

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You mean.... for one round at MOST.

Meh, not enough success in the Playoffs to get too cocky. I DO love our chances in round one though. I'm sure they'll give the Canucks more to chew than St Louis did last year.

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Unbiased opinion from a Flyers fan:

Calgary D (best in the league IMHO)>>>>>>Canucks D

Kipper=Luongo (I'll call that a saw-off for now)

Calgary F

Best player on each team:

I'd rather build a team around Iglina then Luongo.

BTW, comparing the likes of Mitchell (& I like him) to Regehr is inane.

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We have a poster on the pirate Flyer board that went over to the dark side (Vancouver) after being banned from the regular board (& yes, I give him a hard time about him rooting for them). Considering there are suddenly a lot of Canuck fans posting here I wonder if they got banned from their own board because they sure spend a lot of time on the rival board.

I got your message KH. Thanks. I hope Don can figure it out.

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By now you know Calgary is #1 of my western teams.

I just don't think as highly of JBo as most. Given a choice of Weber, Suter (2 from 1 team), Doughty & Bouwmeester he'd finish 4th.

He's a lot better then others in our division but league wide he'd be in the 20s @ best.

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Unless Torres gets major PP time I think Glencross edges him out in total points.

If he gets 1st unit time as DL suggests, that gives Torres the edge because of the man advantage points. It seems to me that's where you see the most unearned 2nd assists.

Good choice of players DL. It's a tough call.

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[quote name='bigchief wrote:


Kipper14']I am prepping myself for a season of the Nucks just being far superior then the Flames. It's going to be tough watching the Nucks be a top 5 team in the league all year while
we will most likely suffer from the same inconsistency problem we have for the past 4 or so years.

Canucks should finish 1st or 2nd in the West while Calgary will be battling for playoffs.

One thing that's interesting.....if we do make playoffs, chances are it will be in the 7-8 spots, with the Nucks having a good shot at finishing 1-2 in the West
there could be a 1st series Flames/Nucks matchup
if we make it.

Way to stand up for your team Kipper eyes.gif. Let me guess, you're just being realistic not pessimistic? Don't respond, I don't want to know.

As far as the playoff match-up goes, the thought had occurred to me and I don't know about you but it got my adrenalin pumping! Calgary and Van meeting in the first round has the potential for an epic battle.

So we take them out in the 1st round rather then them surviving to lose in the 2nd.

*BTW, NHL site says Luongo has given up the "C". *

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DL, you didn't think Guerin in the Flyer camp on tryout was worth a mention? He's probably got as much left in him as those mentioned.

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[quote name='DL44 wrote:


Flyerfan52']DL, you didn't think Guerin in the Flyer camp on tryout was worth a mention? He's probably got as much left in him as those mentioned.

He was the first player i had typed actually....  i then erased it thinking at least i should put the teams in alphabetical order and ended up forgetting... ah well... didn't mean to hurt your feelings tho.

No hurt feelings. I thought it was jealousy.

LOL.

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who cares about arguing something as subjective and arbitrary as prospect depth?

somewhat comparable to arguing about who's the smartest kid with down syndrome... nobody really wins.

Doesn't matter till they actually make a roster does it.

A more fruitful endevor...

Which team, Flames or the Canucks, have the most home grown talent on their likely starting rosters? and by home grown talent, i mean hasn't played for another NHL club. could of drafted by another or been traded for... but actually took the leap with the flames or canucks.

Then try to correlate it to an argument of which team has superior drafting skills over the last 5 yrs or which GM or scout team is better...

Take into consideration that players like Burrows were stuck in the ECHL until Zinger in Wpg. found them. That kind of player has nothing to do with Vancouver's drafting or even scouting skills. The Moose trained & nurtured him into NHL talent so the braintrust in Vancouver can't claim credit. The 'Nucks reap the benefit but just lucked in because the Moose have a savvy GM.

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[quote name='Kaine wrote:


hurtin_albertan']

Dear Flames fans,

Please don't gloat. The Hockey Gods hate gloaters.

After 20 years of playing, watching and living hockey I don't believe in "the hockey gods".

Call me a hockey Atheist.

The Flames are doing well, our fellow Canadian rivals... not so much. I for one am relishing it while I can as it won't last forever, nothing good does.

After watching thousands of strange goals, goal post saves, strange ref calls, strange injuries, strange upsets (Miracle on Ice), god like saves, bizarre plays, rapid fire comebacks, double, triple and even quadruple deflections, checks and wild variance in ice conditions and championships decided by a foot in the crease or not; or a goal by an inch for the Flames for a Cup,  I have concluded that there is an X-factor in hockey more so than any other sport. 

It all gets summed up under the phrase "hockey gods", you never see any where near as many goal posts in soccer as you do in hockey and all the other X factor conditions from injury to ice conditions, it is just a Sport with a HUGE X factor and calling that unknown the mood of the hockey gods is just as good as anything else to sum it all up. 

If you don't want to call it hockey gods you have to call the element of hockey that comes down to chance very high and acknowledge it somehow. 

happy.gif

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[quote name='The_Don wrote:


Kristian_Huselius wrote:

The_Don']I am surprised that he needed medical attention, considering he played the entire game and looked fine. If he really was affected why wouldn't he do something about it during the game?

In all likelihood it was precautionary I would assume. I haven't heard an updates as of yet.

Irregardless had it happened in the reverse order you guys would be crying the same foul as we are.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. I was just shocked to hear about this now considering me and no one around me had any idea it was going on at the game.

That is what makes this a new issue and one without a clear solution. Unlike past incidents where people throw towels, rats, fruit, beer or whatever on the ice. The game is stopped, others could see the person in the standss, point him out and he could be easily and quickly ejected. In this case it could go on the whole game, as it did, before he is located. 

In this laser situation you could be sitting right beside the guy and not know. Because the goalie is in a relatively fixed position, the perpetrator could establish the dot, and flash it for a second or less at a time to do the damage. He could place it under his arm or even up his sleeve and you would not know it was happening unless you were looking for it. 

Personally I think it has been going on all season at Canuck games and you might want to re-think your record and scoring prowess if you had a Third Sedin in the stands with a laser.

The greater concern for me though is not this game BUT the upcoming Olympics, imagine the embarrassment to Canada. It would be on a Epic level and shame the whole nation in front of the world. I think there should be an immediate law passed at least in BC that anyone caught in possession of a laser at a sporting event is not only ejected but has criminal charges filed against them. 

There is absolutely no reason to have this device on you at a sporting event other than to interfere with the game or event being played and it can legally be considered an assault with a weapon . It could be used to blind athletes in a number of Olympic events...

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At least tonight Burrows was back to his classy self spearing/slashing Boogaard after the game was over in frustration. too bad Boogaard is such a nice guy and didn't punch his face in.
This incident is strategic for Burrows and the Nucks, by calling them out publicly refs will be a little more hesitant to call borderline calls on them for a short while for fear of fueling the fire BUT it will backfire on the Nucks, the NHL has a long memory and Burrows will get his karmic dues. 

I just hope the hockey gods don't intervene to the point he gets injured by an errant puck or something.

/no sarcasm

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Anyways, back to what this thread is really about. Canucks fans chosing which stats to present based on how bad they make the Flames look.

Today's feature: Goals.

Iginla - 21

H. Sedin - 20

Burrows - 20

Never thought you'd see that, did ya? Iginla has more than twice the career goals of Henrik and Burrows combined. Yet, here we are.

Unfortunately I am not allowed to comment on this and defend good old Iggy and why this might be BUT hey DON how about a friendly bet. Iggy will finish the season with more goals than both Sedin and Burrows, should give you a 2-1 odds advantage over me with 2 players. 

If you win I admit that you are a brilliant hockey mind. If I win you admit that I am just a brilliant mind. Sound fair...smokin.gif

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[quote name='The_Don wrote:


Flame111 wrote:

The_Don']Anyways, back to what this thread is
really
about. Canucks fans chosing which stats to present based on how bad they make the Flames look.

Today's feature: Goals.

Iginla - 21

H. Sedin - 20

Burrows - 20

Never thought you'd see that, did ya? Iginla has more than twice the career goals of Henrik and Burrows combined. Yet, here we are.

Unfortunately I am not allowed to comment on this and defend good old Iggy and why this might be BUT hey DON how about a friendly bet. Iggy will finish the season with more goals than both Sedin and Burrows, should give you a 2-1 odds advantage over me with 2 players. 

If you win I admit that you are a brilliant hockey mind. If I win you admit that I am just a brilliant mind. Sound fair...
smokin.gif

No. Not because I do or don't think it will happen, but because I neither gain nor lose anything in this bet. Do you think that my ego is so fragile that you saying such a thing would make my day? And on the flip side, so you think me saying such a thing would me make feel like I had lost? No.

I do think, however that Iginla will finish with more goals. Henrik, since Daniel has returned, has been on a more Henrik-like goal scoring pace. He will probably finish with 30, top out at 35. Burrows, though he is playing great right now, will not keep up this pace. He is not at the same level as Iginla, and will likely top out at the same as his linemate. I expect him to hit 30, could top out at 35. Iginla, if he doesn't score 35, that would be a greatly unsuccessful season for him. I think he will finish between 35-40. But I will take a bet of Sedin + Sedin will finish with more points than Iginla + your choice. Just like the good ol' Sedins vs. Iggy/Tanguay thread from back in the day.

I think you failed on this one Don, this was a very good bet for you and one you would have been highly likely to win, even if it was for nothing but unlike your Neuf bet there was too much risk. You do make friendly bets but it appears to be in cases where the odds are so extreme that it is highly unlikely you will lose, the Neuf bet to me isn't even serious and I hope he reneges on it tongue.gif.    

The Nucks are a highly offensive team, I expect at least on of H, Sedin or Burrows to crack 35-40 goals this season. Iggy in contrast has been forced to shift his style this year to the more Defensive Sutter system, he is not going to have an explosive Nov again. He is no longer cheating half way up the ice anymore like he used too under Keenan. If Iggy gets to 30 goals I am satisfied, 35 I am more than happy with. Iggy will have more assists though to make up for it point wise.

But I take back the friendly bet happy.gif. I also vote that you guys change the name of this thread to "Everything Canuck" or something, or "Canucks vs Flames Everything", when I first came in here I wasn't sure what it was but now it is more clear to me. I thought it was just general discussion and debate and a place to banter about NHL topics. 

That way the mods can merge all the other threads into here on other Canuck topics.  

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So this is for all you Nuck fans.

Questions being can Canada get another team. Sure we hear all about Hamilton and blah blah.

I piped in on that one and thought that really the best solution is for Toronto to have two teams. Same way New York does with the Mets and Yankees or Chicago with the Cubs and White Sox. I think the Toronto Market is easily strong enough to support a second team in the Toronto Metro area proper without even going to Hamilton.

Of course the team that is really in trouble is Phoenix and they can't move to the East because that upsets the balance of the league but it got me thinking. Vancouver also has over 2 million people, like Toronto. Seems to be like over 100,000 fans based on your crazy board, I think it could be supported.

Do you guys think Vancouver could support a second NHL team ? It would go in the Pacific division. Well actually lets just call it what it is, it is the Phoneix Coyotes now being located in Vancouver and renamed. They are a decent team too, to top it off - should double your chances of actually getting a Cup in Vancouver tongue.gif

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On another note I really have to laugh at the Nuck fans, They have a thread dedicated solely to bash anything Flames. Current page count 427. And they are already jumping on their team for 2 losses! Hang on, its going to be a rough ride!
That inmates have taken over the asylum on that CDC board. Mods can't even control it and keep up with it. I've seen gross porn posted up there, gross porn gifs, you name it, swearing at each other and yes, you can out smart any filter if y o u / j u s t / s p a c e / o u t / y o u r 
s w e a r /and don't get too excited about the number of pages, its rare to see a post past 5 words. Those children get banned and set up another account the next day, that is why they have like a million accounts or whatever...

That is why smart Nucks posters come here sometimes to talk hockey. tongue.gif

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