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I'm thinking of looking into one of those luxury V6 Accords... you know.. upgrade my 5 series...

Know a dealer?

But do you guys have glove warmers?

Or free tape for all the sticks?

We do.

AND they don't have to pay for sharpening their skates!

Thats your injury problem right there. If you pony up the dough you get better quality. Now you know Hamhuis' concussion is a direct result from a sloppy sharpening job.

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Agree 100%...

More resources and trainers would of totally stopped pucks from breaking Bieksa and Sweatt's feet.

They could of bulked up the bones in the gym with the right trainers in place.

Same with the hit Alberts took against the boards that broke his wrist.. with proper Flames-like training, he could of just blasted thru the glass..

Or Ballard's knee... with the Flames trainers, he would of been much stronger and just powered thru without his skate getting caught under him... wimps.

Not to mention the famous Calgary anti-concussion brain strengthening workout regimen...

Quite the mickey mouse organization they got going on here... good thing none of the Flame key Dmen will go down the rest of yr! Thanks to their fan-supported fitness and medical staff.

GFG!

I laughed for like 20mins after reading that.

+1 :) Best post of the day.

more like post of the century!!!

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Agree 100%...

More resources and trainers would of totally stopped pucks from breaking Bieksa and Sweatt's feet.

They could of bulked up the bones in the gym with the right trainers in place.

Same with the hit Alberts took against the boards that broke his wrist.. with proper Flames-like training, he could of just blasted thru the glass..

Or Ballard's knee... with the Flames trainers, he would of been much stronger and just powered thru without his skate getting caught under him... wimps.

Not to mention the famous Calgary anti-concussion brain strengthening workout regimen...

Quite the mickey mouse organization they got going on here... good thing none of the Flame key Dmen will go down the rest of yr! Thanks to their fan-supported fitness and medical staff.

GFG!

No hesitation this time.. I gave you a +1 right away! Can hardly type with the tears rolling down my face from laughing so hard. Best Post Ever!

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Daniel Sedin officially leading toe Art Ross race by 2 with 1 more game played. :)

I expect this to be an awesome 3-way race (like those odds!) between Sedin, Sedin and Stamkos, with many lead changes along the way.

And since I am gonna get -ed for this post anyway, might as well go all out.

Here's how Canucks rank in every major individual stat:

Goals:

1. Stamkos - 40

2. Kesler - 33

3. D. Sedin - 32

Assists:

1. H. Sedin - 58

2. St. Louis - 49

3. Zetterberg - 48

4. D. Sedin - 45

Points:

1. D. Sedin - 77

2. Stamkos - 75

3. H. Sedin - 72

+/-:

1. Bieksa - +26

2. Kesler - +25

3. Lydman - +25

4. D. Sedin - +24

PP Goals:

1. Stamkos - 15

2. D. Sedin - 13

3. Sharp - 12

4. Selanne - 11

5. Kesler - 10

SH Goals:

1. Nielsen - 5

2. Marchand - 4

2. Cullen - 4

4. Kesler - 3

Game-Winning Goals:

1. Logan Couture - 8

2. D. Sedin - 7

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Funny thing about stats, I can also manipulate them in the Flames favour.

SO Goals

1. Alex Tanguay - 7

2. Jarret Stoll - 6

3. Thomas Vanek - 5

4. Mats Zuccarello - 5

5. Rene Bourque - 5

TOI/Game

1. Dan Boyle - 26:48

2. Duncan Keith - 26:45

3. Jay Bouwmeester - 26:10

Shifts/Game

1. Brent Burns - 32.2

2. Jay Bouwmeester - 31.4

3. Tom Gilbert - 31.3

4. Ryan Whitney - 31.1

5. Mark Giordano - 30.7

Blocked Shots

1. Dan Girardi - 169

2. Greg Zanon - 150

3. Mark Giordano - 144

Games Played by Defensemen

1. Anton Babchuk - 60

2. Jay Bouwmeester - 60

3. Dan Boyle - 60

4. Dustin Byfuglien - 60

5. Joe Corvo - 60

6. Mark Giordano - 60

Points Amongst RWers

1. Martin St. Louis - 69

2. Corey Perry - 66

3. Jarome Iginla - 56

TOI Amongst Goalies

1. Carey Price - 3 093:52

2. Cam Ward - 3 047:45

3. Miikka Kiprusoff - 3 014:24

Shootout Wins

1. Jonathan Quick - 7

2. Miikka Kiprusoff - 6

Stats don't tell the whole story ;)

If there was a stat for character and resiliency, the Flames would be near the top of the league.

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Funny thing about stats, I can also manipulate them in the Flames favour.

SO Goals

1. Alex Tanguay - 7

2. Jarret Stoll - 6

3. Thomas Vanek - 5

4. Mats Zuccarello - 5

5. Rene Bourque - 5

TOI/Game

1. Dan Boyle - 26:48

2. Duncan Keith - 26:45

3. Jay Bouwmeester - 26:10

Shifts/Game

1. Brent Burns - 32.2

2. Jay Bouwmeester - 31.4

3. Tom Gilbert - 31.3

4. Ryan Whitney - 31.1

5. Mark Giordano - 30.7

Blocked Shots

1. Dan Girardi - 169

2. Greg Zanon - 150

3. Mark Giordano - 144

Games Played by Defensemen

1. Anton Babchuk - 60

2. Jay Bouwmeester - 60

3. Dan Boyle - 60

4. Dustin Byfuglien - 60

5. Joe Corvo - 60

6. Mark Giordano - 60

Points Amongst RWers

1. Martin St. Louis - 69

2. Corey Perry - 66

3. Jarome Iginla - 56

TOI Amongst Goalies

1. Carey Price - 3 093:52

2. Cam Ward - 3 047:45

3. Miikka Kiprusoff - 3 014:24

Shootout Wins

1. Jonathan Quick - 7

2. Miikka Kiprusoff - 6

Stats don't tell the whole story ;)

If there was a stat for character and resiliency, the Flames would be near the top of the league.

Little difference between my stats and your stats. I chose the major categories. You know, the ones they give awards for? The ones that actually indicate how well the player is playing (compared to how much the player is playing :P).

Oh but you guys do well in shootouts. Good thing that won't help you in the playoffs, in fact it won;t even help you get in the playoffs.

The things about stats is while they are cut and dry, you still have to have a brain while looking at them. You could say "The Flames are leading in as many categories as the Canucks" and technically you might be right. But when those categories are things like Games Played and Time on Ice compared to Goals and Assists you have to stop and think about what that means. I mean, good for the Flames D for being healthy and playing a lot and blocking shots, and good for Kipper for playing a lot and winning shootouts, but those things are indirect to being successful. When things like goals and assists are direct to being successful.

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Canucks (Flames in brackets)

10 gms: 5-3-2, 12 pts, 2nd in the NW, 9th in the West, 16th overall (6-5, 12 pts, 3rd, 10th, 17th)

20 gms: 10-7-3, 23pts, 2nd in the NW, 8th in the West, 15th Overall (8-11-1, 17pts, 4th, 14th, 27th)

30 gms: 18-8-4, 40pts, 2nd in the NW, 4th in the West, 9th Overall ( 33gms, 14-16-3, 31pts, 4th, 14th, 24th)

41 gms: 27-8-6, 60pts, 1st in the NW, 1st in the West, 1st Overall (42gms, 18-20-4,40pts, 4th, 14th, 24th)

60 gms: 38-13-9, 85pts, 1st in the NW, 1st in the West, 1st Overall (60gms, 30-22-8, 68pts, 2nd, t-6th, t-12th)

Point %

10 gms: 0.600, 10th (17th)

20 gms: 0.575, 15th (27th)

30 gms: 0.667, 3rd (23rd)

41 gms: 0.732, 1st (24th)

60 gms: 0.708, 1st (16th)

G/gm

10 gms: 2.70, 18th (13th)

20 gms: 2.90, 13th, (12th)

30 gms: 3.23, 4th, (18th)

41 gms: 3.42, 1st (20th)

60 gms: 3.33, 1st (8th)

GA/gm

10 gms: 2.20, 3rd (22nd)

20 gms: 2.70, 13th (23rd)

30 gms: 2.50, 7th (19th)

41 gms: 2.34, 4th (19th)

60 gms: 2.28, 1st (18th)

PP %

10 gms: 21.0%, 9th (25th)

20 gms: 27.0, 1st (19th)

30 gms: 23.8, 3rd (23rd)

41 gms: 25.0, 1st (24th)

60 gms: 25.0, 1st (19th)

PK %

10 gms: 84.6, 13th (19th)

20 gms: 87.2, 5th (20th)

30 gms: 85.0, 5th (23rd)

41 gms: 85.5, 4th (22nd)

60 gms: 85.5, 4th (18th)

PP G

10 gms: 8, 10th (19th)

20 gms: 20, 2nd (14th)

30 gms: ?, 4th (26th)

41 gms: 41, 1st (20th)

60 gms: 56, 1st (13th)

PP GA

10 gms: 6, 9th (16th)

20 gms: 10, 5th (20th)

30 gms: ?, 4th (14th)

41 gms: 22, 5th (24th)

60 gms: 32, 4th (19th)

SoG

10 gms: 30.5, 17th (10th)

20 gms: 31.4, 11th (10th)

30 gms: 30.5, 16th, (17th)

41 gms: 31.3, 13th (14th)

60 gms: 32.2, 8th (15th)

SoGA

10 gms: 30.7, 18th (9th)

20 gms: 31.4, 20th (12th)

30 gms: 29.2, 13th (9th)

41 gms: 30.1, 17th (2nd)

60 gms: 30.3, 16th (3rd)

+/-

10 gms: +3, 10th (15th)

20 gms: -6, 21st (18th)

30 gms: +10, 7th (18th)

41 gms: +25, 3rd (20th)

60 gms: +39, 3rd (12th)

Faceoffs

10 gms: 56.5, 1st (23rd)

20 gms: 56.6, 1st (27th)

30 gms: 57.4, 1st (24th)

41 gms: 56.4, 1st (24th)

60 gms: 55.3, 1st (25th)

Hits

10 gms: 257, 9th (19th)

20 gms: 468, 8th (17th)

30 gms: 684, 19th (18th)

41 gms: 949, 12th (25th)

60 gms: 1356, 12th (26th)

Blocked Shots

10 gms: 144, 18th (15th)

20 gms: 281, 17th (22nd)

30 gms: 431, 20th (12th)

41 gms: 571, 20th (17th)

60 gms: 821, 16th (12th)

Giveaways

10 gms: 58, 5th (25th)

20 gms: 137, 7th (17th)

30 gms: 196, 6th (24th)

41 gms: 270, 6th (25th)

60 gms: 396, 8th (26th)

Takeaways

10 gms: 81, 8th (11th)

20 gms: 159, 6th (21st)

30 gms: 237, 14th (18th)

41 gms: 319, 10th (26th)

60 gms: 446, 11th (19th)

Shootout

Van: 2-5

Cal: 7-5

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Funny thing about stats, I can also manipulate them in the Flames favour.

SO Goals

1. Alex Tanguay - 7

2. Jarret Stoll - 6

3. Thomas Vanek - 5

4. Mats Zuccarello - 5

5. Rene Bourque - 5

TOI/Game

1. Dan Boyle - 26:48

2. Duncan Keith - 26:45

3. Jay Bouwmeester - 26:10

Shifts/Game

1. Brent Burns - 32.2

2. Jay Bouwmeester - 31.4

3. Tom Gilbert - 31.3

4. Ryan Whitney - 31.1

5. Mark Giordano - 30.7

Blocked Shots

1. Dan Girardi - 169

2. Greg Zanon - 150

3. Mark Giordano - 144

Games Played by Defensemen

1. Anton Babchuk - 60

2. Jay Bouwmeester - 60

3. Dan Boyle - 60

4. Dustin Byfuglien - 60

5. Joe Corvo - 60

6. Mark Giordano - 60

Points Amongst RWers

1. Martin St. Louis - 69

2. Corey Perry - 66

3. Jarome Iginla - 56

TOI Amongst Goalies

1. Carey Price - 3 093:52

2. Cam Ward - 3 047:45

3. Miikka Kiprusoff - 3 014:24

Shootout Wins

1. Jonathan Quick - 7

2. Miikka Kiprusoff - 6

Stats don't tell the whole story ;)

If there was a stat for character and resiliency, the Flames would be near the top of the league.

Don't forget the stat for Best Support Fans in the Whole World of North America!

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Little difference between my stats and your stats. I chose the major categories. You know, the ones they give awards for? The ones that actually indicate how well the player is playing (compared to how much the player is playing :P).

Oh but you guys do well in shootouts. Good thing that won't help you in the playoffs, in fact it won;t even help you get in the playoffs.

The things about stats is while they are cut and dry, you still have to have a brain while looking at them. You could say "The Flames are leading in as many categories as the Canucks" and technically you might be right. But when those categories are things like Games Played and Time on Ice compared to Goals and Assists you have to stop and think about what that means. I mean, good for the Flames D for being healthy and playing a lot and blocking shots, and good for Kipper for playing a lot and winning shootouts, but those things are indirect to being successful. When things like goals and assists are direct to being successful.

Hey Donnie, Block shots are a good stat. It's important to have players blocking shots in the playoffs because that's what can win you the cup.

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Hey Donnie, Block shots are a good stat. It's important to have players blocking shots in the playoffs because that's what can win you the cup.

Absolutely. I remember back in '79 when they actually decided the cup on who blocked the most shots, not who scored the most goals. The good ol' days. Now THAT was hockey.

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When things like goals and assists are direct to being successful.

You must have a different meaning for successful than I do. You lean on individuals stats. So what if Kesler had 10 less goals but Raymond had 5 more and Samuelsson had 5 more, is the team less successful because neither are in the top 5 for goals scored. Having leaders in every category is nice, but doesn't mean anything come April.

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You must have a different meaning for successful than I do. You lean on individuals stats. So what if Kesler had 10 less goals but Raymond had 5 more and Samuelsson had 5 more, is the team less successful because neither are in the top 5 for goals scored. Having leaders in every category is nice, but doesn't mean anything come April.

Sure, in that case the team would have scored no less goals. However, Kesler would likely have had 10 more assists.

Obviously leading in individual stats isn't the be all and end all of being successful. But having higher quailty players certainly does, not? And the stats are simply an indication of this. Come Arpil, it is an indication of the quality of players a team has. But most importantly it gives fans something to hang their hat on. :P

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Sure, in that case the team would have scored no less goals. However, Kesler would likely have had 10 more assists.

Obviously leading in individual stats isn't the be all and end all of being successful. But having higher quailty players certainly does, not? And the stats are simply an indication of this. Come Arpil, it is an indication of the quality of players a team has. But most importantly it gives fans something to hang their hat on. :P

Donnie - just face the facts that those are the only things Canucks have something to chatter about because otherwise there's not much to chat about going 0-39! hahahahaha

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Donnie - just face the facts that those are the only things Canucks have something to chatter about because otherwise there's not much to chat about going 0-39! hahahahaha

0-39? What?

If you mean the Canucks are going to lose every game from here on out, they only have 22 games left. And if they get swept in the first round that's 0-26. Your math is as bad as your ability to propose a trade.

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0-39? What?

If you mean the Canucks are going to lose every game from here on out, they only have 22 games left. And if they get swept in the first round that's 0-26. Your math is as bad as your ability to propose a trade.

0 cup wins - 39 losing seasons!

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0 cup wins - 39 losing seasons!

You got me. All we have to talk about is how well our team is doing right now. All you have to talk about is that one season you did well. 22 years ago.

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You got me. All we have to talk about is how well our team is doing right now. All you have to talk about is that one season you did well. 22 years ago.

I don't talk about that at all but I will say how it must suck for your fans to trash your own city when you lose game 7 in 93 vs the Rangers. Great supporting fans! hahaha

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You must have a different meaning for successful than I do. You lean on individuals stats. So what if Kesler had 10 less goals but Raymond had 5 more and Samuelsson had 5 more, is the team less successful because neither are in the top 5 for goals scored. Having leaders in every category is nice, but doesn't mean anything come April.

I can't say I understand your logic of how having a player scoring goals at an elite level this yr like Kesler is won't matter come April...

It's an establishment of another key Go-To player for the team come playoff time...

Overall it doesn't matter whats so ever if the end result is the same (which is what you may be suggesting)...

but so far the establishment of Kesler in a such a historically prestigious category has correlated directly with the team's success this regular season...

Expectations is for that to continue...

"just face the facts that those are the only things Canucks have something to chatter about because otherwise there's not much to chat about going 0-39! hahahahaha"

"I don't talk about that at all but I will say how it must suck for your fans to trash your own city when you lose game 7 in 93 vs the Rangers. Great supporting fans! hahaha"

And Derftrocity with more solid gold posts...

quickly becoming my favorite poster... never seen so much unintentional comedy from a single poster around here for awhile... is there any way to subscribe to a poster?

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I can't say I understand your logic of how having a player scoring goals at an elite level this yr like Kesler is won't matter come April...

It's an establishment of another key Go-To player for the team come playoff time...

Overall it doesn't matter whats so ever if the end result is the same (which is what you may be suggesting)...

but so far the establishment of Kesler in a such a historically prestigious category has correlated directly with the team's success this regular season...

Expectations is for that to continue...

"just face the facts that those are the only things Canucks have something to chatter about because otherwise there's not much to chat about going 0-39! hahahahaha"

"I don't talk about that at all but I will say how it must suck for your fans to trash your own city when you lose game 7 in 93 vs the Rangers. Great supporting fans! hahaha"

And Derftrocity with more solid gold posts...

quickly becoming my favorite poster... never seen so much unintentional comedy from a single poster around here for awhile... is there any way to subscribe to a poster?

Thank you DL

I just can't understand some of the posts Donnie and some of the Canucks Fans post up. Gotta make fun of those Canuckers when I can.

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Thank you DL

I just can't understand some of the posts Donnie and some of the Canucks Fans post up. Gotta make fun of those Canuckers when I can.

uh oh...

we may have a new high-water mark

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I can't say I understand your logic of how having a player scoring goals at an elite level this yr like Kesler is won't matter come April...

It's an establishment of another key Go-To player for the team come playoff time...

Look at the Caps last year, elite scoring team, elite PP, done in the first round. Strengths of the team killed them when it mattered most. Can you honestly tell me that there is a 0% chance that the same couldn't happen to the Canucks this year.

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Look at the Caps last year, elite scoring team, elite PP, done in the first round. Strengths of the team killed them when it mattered most. Can you honestly tell me that there is a 0% chance that the same couldn't happen to the Canucks this year.

You are reading way too much into his comments. Neither DL nor myself are saying that having guys who lead in individual stats guarantee you anything come playoff time. What we are saying is having more players in that "elite" category that is able to be the best or one of the best in such an important act as scoring goals can only help your team, not hurt it.

But in the end, it's a team game. Luckily, the Canucks lead in many team stats as well. :)

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