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well thomas is signed... i really think this is stupid... the jays have holes they arent even looking at...

the liseup so far...

1. Reed Johnson - LF

2. Alex Rios - RF

3. Vernon Wells - CF

4. Troy Gaus - 3B

5. Lyle Overbay -1B

6. Frank Thomas - DH

7. ?????? - C

8.Aaron Hill - 2B

9. ?????? - SS

as of now the Jays have no big league Catchers under contract... although TSN has reported that they have contacted Rod Baraja (sp?)... and who is available down the middle??... Hill can play either second or short... but he looked more confotable at 2nd... so the jays need to plug that hole because McDonald just isnt that guy

you think this deal is stupid? right buddy..the Jays were looking to fill that DH role. Last season having Hillenbrand,Catalantto in the DH spot...both of them combined were making 11.2M which is more then what Thomas is getting. The Jays now dont have to keep on switching players to play DH and has the right guy to play DH...the Jays are going to make some signings of pitchers in the GM meetings. Hill will be moved to SS from what JP is saying and there looking into signing Adam Kennedy to play Second.

yes i think the deal is stupid... i think for that kind of price they should have been able to sign someone that could bring more than a big bat... they are already a very good hitting team... maybe they could have used that money to sign a better hitting SS... or a catcher that can hit... or even a DH that can also play the field... Thomas is cant bring anything to this team besides his bat... he has no glove and no speed... there are far more pressing issues to this team than another big bat... maybe they could have signed someone to get on base for their big bats... now there is a radical idea eh? maybe someone who can do more than hit the long ball... now they are stuck with his bloated contract for 2 or 3 years... this deal makes me sick... Ricardi has outright ignored the needs of this team and seems to think he can out hit the Yankees... the moron needs to learn you only need to outpitch them... and its not all that hard to do

I'm not a huge fan of the signing either, but to kina play devils advocate, if Thomas and his big offensive production is in DH and the middle of the line up is solidified, the jays can focus more on defensive specialists and don't require a shortstop that can play great defence and carry a big bat (which are very expensive Ie Lugo comanding what Thomas got). Lugo was the only shortstop available that carrier a bat to go alone with d and he commands a very inflated salary given his talent. This way they can save some money but getting a decent defneisve guy, Gonzalez for example and only need a depth bat.

Just a different way of looking at it.

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well thomas is signed... i really think this is stupid... the jays have holes they arent even looking at...

the liseup so far...

1. Reed Johnson - LF

2. Alex Rios - RF

3. Vernon Wells - CF

4. Troy Gaus - 3B

5. Lyle Overbay -1B

6. Frank Thomas - DH

7. ?????? - C

8.Aaron Hill - 2B

9. ?????? - SS

as of now the Jays have no big league Catchers under contract... although TSN has reported that they have contacted Rod Baraja (sp?)... and who is available down the middle??... Hill can play either second or short... but he looked more confotable at 2nd... so the jays need to plug that hole because McDonald just isnt that guy

you think this deal is stupid? right buddy..the Jays were looking to fill that DH role. Last season having Hillenbrand,Catalantto in the DH spot...both of them combined were making 11.2M which is more then what Thomas is getting. The Jays now dont have to keep on switching players to play DH and has the right guy to play DH...the Jays are going to make some signings of pitchers in the GM meetings. Hill will be moved to SS from what JP is saying and there looking into signing Adam Kennedy to play Second.

yes i think the deal is stupid... i think for that kind of price they should have been able to sign someone that could bring more than a big bat... they are already a very good hitting team... maybe they could have used that money to sign a better hitting SS... or a catcher that can hit... or even a DH that can also play the field... Thomas is cant bring anything to this team besides his bat... he has no glove and no speed... there are far more pressing issues to this team than another big bat... maybe they could have signed someone to get on base for their big bats... now there is a radical idea eh? maybe someone who can do more than hit the long ball... now they are stuck with his bloated contract for 2 or 3 years... this deal makes me sick... Ricardi has outright ignored the needs of this team and seems to think he can out hit the Yankees... the moron needs to learn you only need to outpitch them... and its not all that hard to do

I'm not a huge fan of the signing either, but to kina play devils advocate, if Thomas and his big offensive production is in DH and the middle of the line up is solidified, the jays can focus more on defensive specialists and don't require a shortstop that can play great defence and carry a big bat (which are very expensive Ie Lugo comanding what Thomas got). Lugo was the only shortstop available that carrier a bat to go alone with d and he commands a very inflated salary given his talent. This way they can save some money but getting a decent defneisve guy, Gonzalez for example and only need a depth bat.

Just a different way of looking at it.

the jays were one of the top offensive teams in the league... its not like they are losing those bats... they need arms and to sure up their holes... because in all honesty their problems last year were not defensive either

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well thomas is signed... i really think this is stupid... the jays have holes they arent even looking at...

the liseup so far...

1. Reed Johnson - LF

2. Alex Rios - RF

3. Vernon Wells - CF

4. Troy Gaus - 3B

5. Lyle Overbay -1B

6. Frank Thomas - DH

7. ?????? - C

8.Aaron Hill - 2B

9. ?????? - SS

as of now the Jays have no big league Catchers under contract... although TSN has reported that they have contacted Rod Baraja (sp?)... and who is available down the middle??... Hill can play either second or short... but he looked more confotable at 2nd... so the jays need to plug that hole because McDonald just isnt that guy

you think this deal is stupid? right buddy..the Jays were looking to fill that DH role. Last season having Hillenbrand,Catalantto in the DH spot...both of them combined were making 11.2M which is more then what Thomas is getting. The Jays now dont have to keep on switching players to play DH and has the right guy to play DH...the Jays are going to make some signings of pitchers in the GM meetings. Hill will be moved to SS from what JP is saying and there looking into signing Adam Kennedy to play Second.

yes i think the deal is stupid... i think for that kind of price they should have been able to sign someone that could bring more than a big bat... they are already a very good hitting team... maybe they could have used that money to sign a better hitting SS... or a catcher that can hit... or even a DH that can also play the field... Thomas is cant bring anything to this team besides his bat... he has no glove and no speed... there are far more pressing issues to this team than another big bat... maybe they could have signed someone to get on base for their big bats... now there is a radical idea eh? maybe someone who can do more than hit the long ball... now they are stuck with his bloated contract for 2 or 3 years... this deal makes me sick... Ricardi has outright ignored the needs of this team and seems to think he can out hit the Yankees... the moron needs to learn you only need to outpitch them... and its not all that hard to do

I'm not a huge fan of the signing either, but to kina play devils advocate, if Thomas and his big offensive production is in DH and the middle of the line up is solidified, the jays can focus more on defensive specialists and don't require a shortstop that can play great defence and carry a big bat (which are very expensive Ie Lugo comanding what Thomas got). Lugo was the only shortstop available that carrier a bat to go alone with d and he commands a very inflated salary given his talent. This way they can save some money but getting a decent defneisve guy, Gonzalez for example and only need a depth bat.

Just a different way of looking at it.

the jays were one of the top offensive teams in the league... its not like they are losing those bats... they need arms and to sure up their holes... because in all honesty their problems last year were not defensive either

They are losing some depth in the lineup through losing Molina, and likely Zaun, both of which put up solid numbers from the catcher position, and a solid depth bat in Catalanato. Thomas replaces pretty much all their numbers in one bat. Now they can save a big on the catcher position and sign a guy like barajos for aroun 3 million and svae millions from what Molina would want and what Zaun is likely asking for. Not to metnion they can get an Adam Kenedy who is great defensivly but provides little offence without their offence taking a hit from it.

They do need arms but in the end I think this deal all works out. They're is still money left, especially considering that i'm now reading that Thomas' salary for next season is about 2 million. Now they can save money and get some defence which was a problem last season. It wasn't bad, but their fielding percentage also wasn't great and at times it cost them.

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

that just shows how stupid Gibbons is then... and Riccardi isnt much better... this team needs to fill their holes where there are limited options to fill them... not fill the DH role

and if you are going to be enough of a jerk to point out i am wrong "again"... i thought i should point out it you're or you are

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

that just shows how stupid Gibbons is then... and Riccardi isnt much better... this team needs to fill their holes where there are limited options to fill them... not fill the DH role

and if you are going to be enough of a jerk to point out i am wrong "again"... i thought i should point out it you're or you are

Just because he pointed out some of your mistakes, that makes him a jerk? By..... the..... way..... nobody....... has........ got....... after...... you....... for...... the...... way..... you...... type......

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

that just shows how stupid Gibbons is then... and Riccardi isnt much better... this team needs to fill their holes where there are limited options to fill them... not fill the DH role

and if you are going to be enough of a jerk to point out i am wrong "again"... i thought i should point out it you're or you are

Actually it would be stupid for Gibbons to put Glaus infront of Thomas. Thomas hits for more power for one, is more patient, and sees pitches better than Glaus. Glaus can hit a lot of home runs, but he also strikes out alot and swings at at bad pitches. With Thomas at clean up he is more likely than glaus, maybe not to hit a HR, but at least put the ball in the play and score some runs or move runners, something Glaus wsa up and down with last season because he doesn't see pitches all that well.

Glaus is suited nicely to 5 where he is likely to see some better pitches. Let Thomas with the better eye get the harder pitches.

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

that just shows how stupid Gibbons is then... and Riccardi isnt much better... this team needs to fill their holes where there are limited options to fill them... not fill the DH role

and if you are going to be enough of a jerk to point out i am wrong "again"... i thought i should point out it you're or you are

Actually it would be stupid for Gibbons to put Glaus infront of Thomas. Thomas hits for more power for one, is more patient, and sees pitches better than Glaus. Glaus can hit a lot of home runs, but he also strikes out alot and swings at at bad pitches. With Thomas at clean up he is more likely than glaus, maybe not to hit a HR, but at least put the ball in the play and score some runs or move runners, something Glaus wsa up and down with last season because he doesn't see pitches all that well.

Glaus is suited nicely to 5 where he is likely to see some better pitches. Let Thomas with the better eye get the harder pitches.

frank thomas hits a whopping .270... this would give the jays 2 lower average hitters coming up back to back... if it was smart they would have someone hitting for average ahead of each of them... but hey what to i know because i use extra periods when i type

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frank thomas hits a whopping .270... this would give the jays 2 lower average hitters coming up back to back... if it was smart they would have someone hitting for average ahead of each of them... but hey what to i know because i use extra periods when i type

A power hitter that hits .270 isn't too bad. He was 60th in the AL in average, top 5 in HRs. Seems respectable to me.

(ps. I only got after the way you type because you pointed out a mistake that RoadRunner made, it's not that you don't know what you are talking about)

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

that just shows how stupid Gibbons is then... and Riccardi isnt much better... this team needs to fill their holes where there are limited options to fill them... not fill the DH role

and if you are going to be enough of a jerk to point out i am wrong "again"... i thought i should point out it you're or you are

Actually it would be stupid for Gibbons to put Glaus infront of Thomas. Thomas hits for more power for one, is more patient, and sees pitches better than Glaus. Glaus can hit a lot of home runs, but he also strikes out alot and swings at at bad pitches. With Thomas at clean up he is more likely than glaus, maybe not to hit a HR, but at least put the ball in the play and score some runs or move runners, something Glaus wsa up and down with last season because he doesn't see pitches all that well.

Glaus is suited nicely to 5 where he is likely to see some better pitches. Let Thomas with the better eye get the harder pitches.

frank thomas hits a whopping .270... this would give the jays 2 lower average hitters coming up back to back... if it was smart they would have someone hitting for average ahead of each of them... but hey what to i know because i use extra periods when i type

for one, I don't care if you use extra periods.

He hit for, i'f i'm not mistaken, a slightly better average than Glaus and more power.Not to mention had 80 less at bats than Glaus.

Glaus was 10th in the AL in strikeouts last season, like i said he either hits a HR of strikes out, thomas is also a career .300 hitter.

Glaus is not an average hitter but i think hitting behind thomas he'll see better pitches and get his average upl

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Sportsnet's Baseball Insider Ken Rosenthal has learned that the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of signing free-agent DH Frank Thomas to a two-year contract.  

The 38-year-old Thomas batted .270 with 39 homers and 114 RBI last season for the Oakland Athletics.  

This past season for the Oakland A's he played for a base salary of $500,000 plus $2.6 million in incentives, after coming back from an ankle injury.

Full story: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article.j...115_212220_2784

If JP actually signs Thomas...I'll get really hyper. This would be an awesome move for the Jays. How would it look having Thomas in the #3 spot and Glaus in the #4 spot? That would be scary!  :shock:

why would hte manager be dumb enough to drop wells in the lineup for frank thomas?... thomas won;t hit higher than 5th if he is signed

your wrong once again. They are reporting that Thomas is going to be the Clean up Hitter..Wells will most likely stay in the #3 spot and Glaus will be #5, Overbay at #6

that just shows how stupid Gibbons is then... and Riccardi isnt much better... this team needs to fill their holes where there are limited options to fill them... not fill the DH role

and if you are going to be enough of a jerk to point out i am wrong "again"... i thought i should point out it you're or you are

Actually it would be stupid for Gibbons to put Glaus infront of Thomas. Thomas hits for more power for one, is more patient, and sees pitches better than Glaus. Glaus can hit a lot of home runs, but he also strikes out alot and swings at at bad pitches. With Thomas at clean up he is more likely than glaus, maybe not to hit a HR, but at least put the ball in the play and score some runs or move runners, something Glaus wsa up and down with last season because he doesn't see pitches all that well.

Glaus is suited nicely to 5 where he is likely to see some better pitches. Let Thomas with the better eye get the harder pitches.

frank thomas hits a whopping .270... this would give the jays 2 lower average hitters coming up back to back... if it was smart they would have someone hitting for average ahead of each of them... but hey what to i know because i use extra periods when i type

for one, I don't care if you use extra periods.

He hit for, i'f i'm not mistaken, a slightly better average than Glaus and more power.Not to mention had 80 less at bats than Glaus.

Glaus was 10th in the AL in strikeouts last season, like i said he either hits a HR of strikes out, thomas is also a career .300 hitter.

Glaus is not an average hitter but i think hitting behind thomas he'll see better pitches and get his average upl

i wasn't disputing Thomas... i was just saying a smart manager would put a person that can hit for a better average between the 2 to maximize RBI potential

as for Thomas being a career .300 hitter... that fact is completel irrelevant because if you look at his stats he hasnt hit over .300 since the 2000 season

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/8126

my biggest concern with this signing is not his ability... he has always been able to play (and hit)... its his health... he only played 108 games in 2004 & 2005 combined... and IMO paying that much for thomas would be like paying big bucks for Eric Lindros

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my biggest concern with this signing is not his ability... he has always been able to play (and hit)... its his health... he only played 108 games in 2004 & 2005 combined... and IMO paying that much for thomas would be like paying big bucks for Eric Lindros

I thought I heard that his contract has something to do with the number of ABs he gets??? Or is that just to do with the option????

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my biggest concern with this signing is not his ability... he has always been able to play (and hit)... its his health... he only played 108 games in 2004 & 2005 combined... and IMO paying that much for thomas would be like paying big bucks for Eric Lindros

I thought I heard that his contract has something to do with the number of ABs he gets??? Or is that just to do with the option????

i think it's just the option

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Its just his option. His option will kick in if he reaches a certain amount of at bats.

I too, like you tik, are a little concerned about his injuries. He seems healthy and apparantly the jays ran him through a very thorough physical before siging him.

I hated the signing at first but the more and more i think about it, the more i like it but the injuires are tough to get around.

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Who would you rather have, FT at 8 million a season or Gary Mathews Jr at 10 per....
thats a crappy choice... the Jays have 3 solid outfielders... how about getting a SS for 4 million and a catcher for 4 million

but i would rather have mathews for 10 million... 19 home runs, 71rbi, .313 avg, younger and healthier... oh yeah and he will do more than sit on the bench and hit

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Who would you rather have, FT at 8 million a season or Gary Mathews Jr at 10 per....
thats a crappy choice... the Jays have 3 solid outfielders... how about getting a SS for 4 million and a catcher for 4 million

but i would rather have mathews for 10 million... 19 home runs, 71rbi, .313 avg, younger and healthier... oh yeah and he will do more than sit on the bench and hit

4 million at either position doesn't get you much but now it will because the Jays have thomas. If the Jays didn't get thomas its likely they would have needed to go after a better hitting SS and catcher to replace the offense that left becuase in all honest the Jays can't really aford to lose any offence.

Now by having Thomas at 8 mill, they jays can cheap out a bit and go like 3 million at catcher for a guy like Barojas and 3-4 mill at SS or 2nd. Without Thomas its likely they would have to put 5-6 million in all three of those positions, so they money actually kinda balances out.

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Who would you rather have, FT at 8 million a season or Gary Mathews Jr at 10 per....
thats a crappy choice... the Jays have 3 solid outfielders... how about getting a SS for 4 million and a catcher for 4 million

but i would rather have mathews for 10 million... 19 home runs, 71rbi, .313 avg, younger and healthier... oh yeah and he will do more than sit on the bench and hit

4 million at either position doesn't get you much but now it will because the Jays have thomas. If the Jays didn't get thomas its likely they would have needed to go after a better hitting SS and catcher to replace the offense that left becuase in all honest the Jays can't really aford to lose any offence.

Now by having Thomas at 8 mill, they jays can cheap out a bit and go like 3 million at catcher for a guy like Barojas and 3-4 mill at SS or 2nd. Without Thomas its likely they would have to put 5-6 million in all three of those positions, so they money actually kinda balances out.

so Thomas is a reason to come to Toronto... but Wells, Halliday, Burnett, Glaus, Overbay, Rios, Johnson & Ryan aren't??

Thomas doesnt bring that much more to the table to bring guys to the city... and C and SS are defense first positions IMO... i don't care if they hit over .260

everyone also seems to be forgetting about Adam Lind... the kid hit .367 with 2HR and 8RBI down the stretch (18 games)... he should have at the very least earned a shot at making the big club

look at the offensive production from the returning Jays starters right now (McDonald included because until someone is signed he is the guy at SS)

Overbay: .312 with 22 homers and 92 runs batted in

Hill: .291 with 6 homers and 50 runs batted in

McDonald: .223 with 3 homers and 23 runs batted in

Glaus: .252 with 38 homers and 104 runs batted in

Rios: .302 with 17 homers and 82 runs batted in

Johnson: .319 with 12 home runs and 49 runs batted in

Wells: .303 with 32 homers and 106 runs batted in

with teh exception of McDonald they all had 27+ doubles... and with a full healthy season Rios should reach 20 homers and close to 100 RBIs... Johnson's numbers should improve slightly now that he will be an everyday player as well

that is a strong hitting lineup... strong enough where they could have given a kid like Lind a chance to crack the big league team as the DH... it's also a strong enough lineup where you could afford to have the everyday SS hit .260 with minimal HR and RBI numbers... and seriously how much would a good defensive short stop cost?? Gonzalez cost the Reds about 4.5 million per over 3 years... then you can get a catcher like Barajas to sign for 3-5 million as well... and there ya go a very competative lineup... with good defense... then you still have that $8 million going to thomas to sign a FA pitcher on top of the amount they were already planning to spend in replacing Lilly and Speier

or if you wanna go with a veteran DH... sign Piazza as your DH/backup catcher and he could be had for a fraction of what the jays are paying Thomas

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I"m not big on the whole it'l being people to the city argument. Thats definetly not what i was arguing. It'l help, and I din't think it has something to do with what JP was thinking, but its not what i'm saying.

My point was that the Jays lineup without Thomas

Johnson

Rios

Wells

Glaus

Overbay

Maybe Lind

Hill

(catcher)

Macdonald

That isn't a lineup that can compete in the AL east. You've lost a lot of power and you have a fairly weak bottom of the order. Thats a tough task to compete with in the AL East.

Even with that lineup they would need an upgrade at SS or 2b and a catcher, but they would need someone who can bring some decnet offensive numbers but that also comes at a cost. With that lineup they likely would have needed two guys who could hit around 15 - 20 home runs from the SS/2b and catcher positions. Now they don't and can save money there. Barajas is aparantly asking for about 3.5 but some body like Zau wants close to 5 and Bengie even more. Adding Thomaas allows the jays to save a few million on those positions so I was just arguing that it balances out in the end.

Mike Pizza is no longer a threat at the plate. I would have loved for the Jays to find a Frank Thomas(of last year) like player, get him for cheap and have him produce but i just dont see a guy out there like that.

Lilly is overated and not worth 8 mill. 8 mill for a guy who blows up every 3 or 4 outtings? They are better off to give Chachin a shot at 3 and sign a guy a few million cheaper who will also win half of his game.

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I also think its more and more likely that Vernon Wells will be traded. When you look at the numbers coming out of FA this year, Vdub is easily a 14 -15 million a year player on a generous offer. That is a ton of money for the Jays to pay one player when they have holes. I am huge Vernon wells fan, but i'm getting the idea that he has played his last game as a blue jay.

However, he would land, at the very least, a good 3/4 starter the Jays need.

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